Chaosx said:
That should be the topic for the next big debate. That would definitely stir up some opinions.
I've noticed over the years, people in or who have been in the military get very angry when someone doesn't like the state of the country and/or especially what our troops are doing.
The idea that men and women are fighting / dying to protect our freedom is not entirely true. Yes that is the goal of the military, but can you say every conflict is a struggle for our freedom?
During wars like the Revolutionary War, WWI & WII, absolutely. But it's all relative to the current administration policies and what is actually threatening our country.
Terrorism for example doesn't come from one country, so it's hard to justify where and what our troops do.
I'll stop here, but this should be the next big debate topic.
I've noticed over the years, people in or who have been in the military get very angry when someone doesn't like the state of the country and/or especially what our troops are doing.
The idea that men and women are fighting / dying to protect our freedom is not entirely true. Yes that is the goal of the military, but can you say every conflict is a struggle for our freedom?
During wars like the Revolutionary War, WWI & WII, absolutely. But it's all relative to the current administration policies and what is actually threatening our country.
Terrorism for example doesn't come from one country, so it's hard to justify where and what our troops do.
I'll stop here, but this should be the next big debate topic.
This shows a common misconception. Not everyone in the military is overseas fighting, most ppl in the military are on the mainland. Even with as long as this war has gone on there are many individuals that have never been in a combat zone at all even after almost 20 years in service.
There are more ways of defending the country than taking out terrorists (that task is actually impossible since terrorism is more of an idea than an organization). You can serve by maintaining the safety and security in peacekeeping manners too.
The war on terrorism isn't against every single one in the world, it's against specific groups. Preventing the other terrorists is just part of keeping potential victims safe. I'm not justifying everything we do/have done, but I'd rather fight to protect another 9/11 from happening than just let the extremists attack again.
Veterans and those still in get pissed b/c everyone seems to think they automatically know everything about the government. Boundsoul is a prime example, he thinks our country sucks b/c his life isn't perfect.
People in the military get stereotyped as warmongers by those that don't actually know them. Just b/c you're trained with a weapon and might have one in your possession at times doesn't mean you've shot anyone with it.
Boundsoul said:
Last post then I'm done with this thread. You claim I don't understand things without even knowing me, but whatever. There is one thing I don't understand. If we're all so free and that freedom is so great, then why is it that we have to vote so some citizens can have the same rights permitted to all others without question?
You should get your head out of paperback fantasies. You probably are one of those that think we should turn to a communism type government where everyone is 100% equal. History has proven that what is in idea the best systems are instead the worst.
As it stands democratic based governments maintain order while giving citizens the most freedom possible than any other system. This is the real world, expecting everything to be the way you want it wouldn't work. It may be one of the worst sounding in idea/on paper but it's application in the real world works.
If you're after every single person voting you don't have any knowledge of history then. The Greeks tried it in Athens(only certain men were even permitted to vote) and it caused far too many problems and took forever to resolve the many issues that was presented to them. They only had a few thousand too, we have millions, not sure how anyone would expect an efficient way to gather everyone's vote.
If you hate this country so much b/c it's 'flawed' (pretty silly you would even expect any country not to be) where would you go that's better? I'd suggest going to China or somewhere and living so you can really have a reason to complain about restrictions on rights.
I don't need to know you at all to see your lack of understanding and ignorance. Yeah things aren't perfect, but that's why you have to suck it up and be responsible for your own outcome in life.
On topic though, it's only fair if homosexuals receive the same legal rights as heterosexuals. To me it depends on your definition of the term 'marriage' to determine if they should be allowed to use the title. Some individuals find it to be a religious term, but then it would have to be further defined to which denominations the term is granted to. If any religion supported same-sex marriage then it would be ethically acceptable to use the term.
So basically, I think the real debate should be on what the definition of marriage is. I don't believe same-sex couples should be denied any legal rights that traditional couples have.
