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 Sylph.Xijaah
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By Sylph.Xijaah 2015-12-27 14:14:01  
Hello guy, as stated in the title, i'm a returning player (and i spent the last month trying to catchup somehow). I would really like to do some endgame too, since i've being mostly playing solo lately, but the only half-geared job i have is RNG (made an annihilator), which i understand is not being used anymore in most endgame. I'm all for gearing up a support job, but they too require endgame items to shine, and i dont think anyone would group me anyway without top notch gear. So, here i come asking, is there any job i can gear up mostly solo that can get me invited in endgame activities and CP parties(since i severely lack jps)?
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2015-12-27 14:27:37  
Well since you have RNG, COR might be down your alley ;) GEO is a different beast altogether but will get you a spot in most parties... BST or BLU might interest you also :)
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By Creaucent Alazrin 2015-12-27 14:32:38  
Cor and Geo are easy to gear for if you are just buffing obviously if you want to do more then you will need a lot of gear. Also with geo you will need to cap skills from the get go.
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By Sylph.Xijaah 2015-12-27 14:47:03  
I believe i only will be able to buff on cor though... At first at least. Would that be considered acceptable?
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2015-12-27 16:06:31  
Getting some AF/Relic 109 to boost your rolls, COR rings to extend duration/Area of effect, getting Leaden Salute ASAP and some basic sets, can refer to the COR guide on this site :)
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-12-27 16:23:38  
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
I believe i only will be able to buff on cor though... At first at least. Would that be considered acceptable?
Yes.

The gear needed to have a proper buffing COR isn't particularly difficult to get, nor does it take a long time. I can't remember how long it took me but it basically took me longer to level from 5 to 99 than getting the gear from scratches. It took me roughly 2/3 days to get to 99.

Buffing is pretty much most of what people expect from you.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-27 16:57:58  
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
I believe i only will be able to buff on cor though... At first at least. Would that be considered acceptable?

Outside of cp pt which isn't endgame, a COR that only buff is a lot less useful than bubble only GEO tbh. GEO fits in pretty much every content even if you can't nuke nor land any debuff, since most pt uses 2 GEO and you can have another GEO to do debuff for you.

The only endgame content that would shout for a COR that only rolls would be SR, maybe some UNM melee zerg setup and content that needs pet zerg setup. Otherwise a GEO that only do bubbles is so much easier to get a pt than roll only COR. Bubble only GEO is a job that's used nearly 100% of time with 1~2 pt spot available, v.s a buff only COR that's used maybe 30%~40%(?) of time with only 1 pt spot available.

That being said, if you have the gears to DD on COR it's a totally different story. It's a very capable DD on it's own thanks to Malaise/leaden salute/mega darkness SC damage op power, therefore it can replace other DD jobs depending on pt setup and battle strategies.
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By geigei 2015-12-27 17:08:19  
Someone should define "endgame", everyone have a different opinion, in my case endgame is T4's atm and there's no room for non idris geo or w/e job not close to his max performance.

So unless you aim lower than that geo wont get you far, blm is by far easier to top gear/jp and find a spot in endgame stuff.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-27 17:15:07  
geigei said: »
Someone should define "endgame", everyone have a different opinion, in my case endgame is T4's atm and there's no room for non idris geo or w/e job not close to his max performance.

So unless you aim lower than that geo wont get you far, blm is by far easier to top gear/jp and find a spot in endgame stuff.


For a returning player, I'd think he needs to start with Vagary/SR/Escha T1~T2 before reisenjima T4? In that case bubble only GEO can get the job done easily. If he starts with BLM I'm not sure if he can get enough gear to do T4 right from the get go without easier to obtain gears tbh.
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By geigei 2015-12-27 17:19:47  
Sch is an option too.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-27 17:35:09  
Could gear BST and pet burn with others. BST is pretty easy to gear also. Plus it is a good solo also for when nothing is going on.
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By Siren.Obysuca 2015-12-27 18:53:24  
Ragnarok.Afania said: »

For a returning player, I'd think he needs to start with Vagary/SR/Escha T1~T2 before reisenjima T4? In that case bubble only GEO can get the job done easily. If he starts with BLM I'm not sure if he can get enough gear to do T4 right from the get go without easier to obtain gears tbh.


He should also be prepared to be useless in content for a while, unless he gets lucky on drops, especially as blm. Mine's decently geared (118, mix of 119 pieces and a few WKR, best I can get atm) and mine is still useless in anything above 119. Useless as in, t5 nuke and mb only doing ~200 dmg lol So if he started with blm, he'd have a bit of trouble for a while.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-27 19:19:56  
I still say BST is the way to go if your short on time and funds. If you got a red pell recently you can grab an axe and some Acro gear. Orb stones are dirt cheap compared to other stones. Do a few skirmishes and you can sell or use the stones yourself.
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By Bahamut.Seekerstar 2015-12-28 00:09:32  
One thing that all parties need is a White Mage.

You can pretty easily gear it and skill it enough, but unless you really enjoy healing (I don't), I'd use it to get me the junk I wanted for my "real" job.

Bubblegeo is another option, you can pretty much ring your bell in 109 gear as long as your skills are capped and merited.

"Endgame" is a fluid term. To some I know, it's Reisenjima HELM NMs and stabbing the ilvl 140+ UNM in the eyes. To others, its still getting those last few Delve clears.

Just remember that people helped you get the things you have. Therefore, it's only right that you help others in turn. Not one person on this game accomplished everything they've accomplished without the aid of other people.

(No, that wasn't directed at anyone specifically, but it pertains to the topic in a very real fashion.)

Remember, always have fun...it's a game, that's what it was made for.
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2015-12-28 01:23:36  
Some good advice given. I suggest blu. You can just mighty guard your party and throw out a few spells. You may even like the journey.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-28 07:35:03  
Bahamut.Seekerstar said: »
One thing that all parties need is a White Mage.

You can pretty easily gear it and skill it enough, but unless you really enjoy healing (I don't), I'd use it to get me the junk I wanted for my "real" job.

Bubblegeo is another option, you can pretty much ring your bell in 109 gear as long as your skills are capped and merited.

"Endgame" is a fluid term. To some I know, it's Reisenjima HELM NMs and stabbing the ilvl 140+ UNM in the eyes. To others, its still getting those last few Delve clears.

Just remember that people helped you get the things you have. Therefore, it's only right that you help others in turn. Not one person on this game accomplished everything they've accomplished without the aid of other people.

(No, that wasn't directed at anyone specifically, but it pertains to the topic in a very real fashion.)

Remember, always have fun...it's a game, that's what it was made for.


Whm is a lot harder to get invite now tbh. Most CP pt don't use whm, and apururu replace the job for most of the easier stuff.
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By Sylph.Xijaah 2015-12-28 07:44:01  
I might give geo a try. Do i only need af/relic/empy and a dunna? I dont have vagary wins though :(
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2015-12-28 08:23:59  
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Some good advice given. I suggest blu. You can just mighty guard your party and throw out a few spells. You may even like the journey.

That sounds like a really bad BLU.
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By Bahamut.Seekerstar 2015-12-28 08:41:38  
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
I might give geo a try. Do i only need af/relic/empy and a dunna? I dont have vagary wins though :(

Pretty much, yeah. There's a few incidental items that you could also use, but those are your staples. Also, and this is imperative:

CAP YOUR HANDBELL AND GEOMANCY SKILLS.

We'll know very quickly if you haven't. (Not saying you personally would, but most of us have met up with That One Guy who SWORE he was capped, but the quality of his buffs and debuffs said otherwise.)

You can do this the normal way, by standing in a Reive and spamming Geo-Poispn, Full Circle, repeat on logs until you're crazy, or you can use skill books. (Other, less legal methods won't be mentioned here.) I made a macro for them that would use six at a time, because yuck akill books. Basically it was

/item "Name of Book" <me> <wait3>

on each line.

The base mats for your three sets shouldn't be too expensive, but you will probably need help with the two NMs for your GEO AF. It's possibly doable solo + trusts...

The first one is a giant red Malboro, complete with Extremely Bad Breath (instant death move). To combat this, put something expendable (a pet, a trust, a random Taru) in front of it. You should stay safely on its six.

The second fight is, if I recall, an elemental of the water/ice flavor. I seem to recall Spectral Floe being a thing, but I could be mixing it up with Rune Fencer's elemental. This fight is easier than the previous, though.

Good luck!
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2015-12-28 08:54:43  
Bahamut.Seekerstar said: »

The first one is a giant red Malboro, complete with Extremely Bad Breath (instant death move). To combat this, put something expendable (a pet, a trust, a random Taru) in front of it.

Hey now! We're not that expendable. Remembering Reraise is hard :(
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By Quetzalcoatl.Guthrie 2015-12-28 08:58:58  
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I might give geo a try. Do i only need af/relic/empy and a dunna? I dont have vagary wins though :(

Make dunna a top priority. Get all of your AF/Relic/Empy grade gear and 119 almost all of it. I find all of Empy worth 119 and majority of AF/relic...if it has Handbell/Geomancy skill, make that a top priority on 119.

You need a set for casting your geo spells, a set for your indi duration spells, a -damage set for yourself, a -pet damage set, a nuking set (one for damage one for acc...maybe even a hybrid set if you really want to be worth your invite), an enfeebling set, a dark magic set with drain/aspir+ in it, and a curing set. Also for CP parties, a Magic burst set would be nice too.

GEO is NOT a "put your bubbles down and wait" situation. It is an awesome job that can bring a lot to the table!
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By Sylph.Xijaah 2015-12-28 11:59:37  
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Sylph.Xijaah said: »
I might give geo a try. Do i only need af/relic/empy and a dunna? I dont have vagary wins though :(

Make dunna a top priority. Get all of your AF/Relic/Empy grade gear and 119 almost all of it. I find all of Empy worth 119 and majority of AF/relic...if it has Handbell/Geomancy skill, make that a top priority on 119.

You need a set for casting your geo spells, a set for your indi duration spells, a -damage set for yourself, a -pet damage set, a nuking set (one for damage one for acc...maybe even a hybrid set if you really want to be worth your invite), an enfeebling set, a dark magic set with drain/aspir+ in it, and a curing set. Also for CP parties, a Magic burst set would be nice too.

GEO is NOT a "put your bubbles down and wait" situation. It is an awesome job that can bring a lot to the table!

Believe me, i expected no less! But i'm looking for a support job to get some gear and cp with and ,since im a returning, i have to start somewhere. If it needs all those sets to be viable, then it is not what i am looking for, although some people here suggested otherwise (unless i got it wrong).
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By Bahamut.Foreverj 2015-12-28 12:06:06  
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Guthrie said: »
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
I might give geo a try. Do i only need af/relic/empy and a dunna? I dont have vagary wins though :(

Make dunna a top priority. Get all of your AF/Relic/Empy grade gear and 119 almost all of it. I find all of Empy worth 119 and majority of AF/relic...if it has Handbell/Geomancy skill, make that a top priority on 119.

You need a set for casting your geo spells, a set for your indi duration spells, a -damage set for yourself, a -pet damage set, a nuking set (one for damage one for acc...maybe even a hybrid set if you really want to be worth your invite), an enfeebling set, a dark magic set with drain/aspir+ in it, and a curing set. Also for CP parties, a Magic burst set would be nice too.

GEO is NOT a "put your bubbles down and wait" situation. It is an awesome job that can bring a lot to the table!

Believe me, i expected no less! But i'm looking for a support job to get some gear and cp with and ,since im a returning, i have to start somewhere. If it needs all those sets to be viable, then it is not what i am looking for, although some people here suggested otherwise (unless i got it wrong).


Those are what u would aim for if you wanna max out geo. focus on bubbles first and the lower level contents to get your gears.

More important find a linkshell. Get a solo Job like bst or blue Mage to solo some stuff.

Good luck ^^
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-28 12:18:12  
Still think the the quickest/ easiest job to make a beast is well ... BST. Even if you end up hating the job you will get gears for jobs you like.
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By Sylph.Xijaah 2015-12-28 12:25:05  
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Still think the the quickest/ easiest job to make a beast is well ... BST. Even if you end up hating the job you will get gears for jobs you like.
Even for cps? What augments would i have look for?
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By Bahamut.Foreverj 2015-12-28 12:26:56  
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Still think the the quickest/ easiest job to make a beast is well ... BST. Even if you end up hating the job you will get gears for jobs you like.

While bst is quicker then other jobs it's still not that quick. Have to do desultor pants for that -5 sec ready recast plus spend 5 million to 15 million for augments for acro or taeon skirmish gears. Also spending a day or two for charmers Merlin ax plus spend hours for JOb points. If one might enjoy bstmaster go for it.

If one wants to be simplest the best AND have patience blue Mage will pay off down the road. I'm talking 2weeks to 2 months patience just trying get your blue Mage ready for ...... Capacity points party lol.

Geo is the easiest in terms of just showing up casting a few bubbles on Easier stuffs like T2 reisenjima and lower.
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By Bahamut.Foreverj 2015-12-28 12:28:34  
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Still think the the quickest/ easiest job to make a beast is well ... BST. Even if you end up hating the job you will get gears for jobs you like.
Even for cps? What augments would i have look for?

One set for Attack, accuracy, another set for magic accuracy magic attack and stick physical damage taken in that tp set or if have Gil both sets. That's your starting point.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-28 12:30:31  
Dragoon.

The answer is clearly Dragoon.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-28 12:31:57  
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Guthrie said: »
Sylph.Xijaah said: »
I might give geo a try. Do i only need af/relic/empy and a dunna? I dont have vagary wins though :(

Make dunna a top priority. Get all of your AF/Relic/Empy grade gear and 119 almost all of it. I find all of Empy worth 119 and majority of AF/relic...if it has Handbell/Geomancy skill, make that a top priority on 119.

You need a set for casting your geo spells, a set for your indi duration spells, a -damage set for yourself, a -pet damage set, a nuking set (one for damage one for acc...maybe even a hybrid set if you really want to be worth your invite), an enfeebling set, a dark magic set with drain/aspir+ in it, and a curing set. Also for CP parties, a Magic burst set would be nice too.

GEO is NOT a "put your bubbles down and wait" situation. It is an awesome job that can bring a lot to the table!

Believe me, i expected no less! But i'm looking for a support job to get some gear and cp with and ,since im a returning, i have to start somewhere. If it needs all those sets to be viable, then it is not what i am looking for, although some people here suggested otherwise (unless i got it wrong).



Personally I rarely ask for nuke sets from geo, don't really care unless the entire pt really needs extra dmg. For most of the easy content like SR escha, dmg is often not an issue since they are easy. If you pt isn't doing enough dmg because geo can't nuke, then it's often other job's responsibility =p

The only time I would care about nuke and melee set is when I do speed run or speed kills. But most shout group don't give a damn about killing stuff 2 min faster so I think you are fine.

Macc sets are more important in pt though.
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By Bahamut.Seekerstar 2015-12-28 12:43:23  
I personally would take a minimally geared GEO who only gave bubbles to get other gear, because 1)that means I wouldn't have to GEO, and 2)I help others get stuff every single day, sparks gear or not.

The bubbles would just make you useful. There's a reasonable amount of MACC/MAB on your job-specific gear that, with other, easily obtainable pieces, should allow you to land some debuffs at entry-level endgame content.

The sparks rings are good examples. Barkarole Earring is simply quested after you reach Adoulin fame level 3. Some accessories can be cheaply purchased on the AH.

I wouldn't worry about 119ing anything other than perhaps your AF to start with- relic is costly due to the VW mat and Delve mats, and Empy requires Vagary clears (and mats). Unless you REALLY enjoy GEO, don't spend so much gil on it. Save for your desired job.
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