Russian Fighter Jet Shot Down By Turkey

They may be bigger, but tech wise I am not so sure..as for " sissy Americans". Not sure that's true either. If it was, why do so many countries ask for our help?

Don't worry about that person, I topic banned them.

There's a fine line between normal P&R nonsense and coming in here throwing around hate speech and trolling.

Sorry to break it to ya, but lot's of times they DON'T ask for help, but we stick our nose into everyone's business anyways. ;)

We definitely protect our interests whether the want it or not, but aside from Bush's wars, we haven't been uninvited as often as people claim.

Largely, because we will help.

A lot of nations do this irrational thing like looking out for their own welfare first. We climb deeper and deeper into a national debt that we don't even care how we're going to get out of. Our actions helped create/arm the Al Qaeda and ISIS and yet we keep going to wars we can't afford and have no business in.

Either our actions help to arm the radicals or our presence makes the lives worse of the people we're trying to help and then they join up with the radicals.

I mean really, I ignore a lot of the drivel on Facebook, but we do have a lot of homeless former military and regular citizens or people who are just living in deplorable dangerous situations, but let's send our soldiers to die so that we can... eventually just get the hell out anyway, #sorrynotsorry about the mess.

In MMO terms, we're the guy who sees a party wiping and tries to save them and wipes his own party in the process.

One of these days, we'll forget reraise.

China. You're up. Good Luck.

Erdogan says Putin doesn't answer his calls.
Putin says he won't pick up until Erdogan publicly says he's sorry about what happened.

As dire as the situation is they also both sound so funny lol; so I googled Putin tsundere

Omnys you seem to forget that the USA is an industrial plutocracy.

We go where our overlords seek resources, to blow off pricey munitions, to make money for our corporate overlords.

If we leave a stinking mess behind they make even more money.

Sometimes that's true. But the Vast majority?

Tsipras went and made a bit fun of the turkish government about this issue saying "Good thing Greece isn't as hot headed like Turkey is with russian jets", about the fact that Turkey violeted their borders 1600 times.

Devutoglu's response "Now's not the time Tsipras, let's focus on positive things!"

Once again turkish reactions make laugh. But indeed the double standard is worth pointing out.

It would have been funnier if the Turks were just brutally honest with the Greeks and pointed out they weren't capable of downing Turkish jets.

Anti-missile defense systems drawn on cardboard boxes to scare the enemies!

The funniest reaction I read so far was from the russian Sports ministry. The russian football clubs are not allowed to sign new turkish players in the upcoming transfer window. source

It only makes remotely 'sense' if the Jet was downed not by a missile but a football.

Stupid knee jerk nationalist speech after a newsworthy event? Seems like the Russians aren't that different from the Americans.

Sorry for late response.

Actually the USA does have permission every single time. The US has agreements with every NATO nation about sharing airspace for military training or even campaigns. The US also has separate agreements with several non-NATO countries which allow the same thing. This is very important because during the beginning of "Bush's wars" there was a pretty bad dispute between Turkey and the US about using Turkish airspace to transport stuff to and from the middle east. Turkey supports those guys wanting to take over Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria as it's in their nations best interests, which makes them allowing the US to use their airspace a bit of a sore point. Eventually the US twisted their arm about their membership in NATO and they acquiesced provided it was supplies only and not combat aircraft. They even were forced to let the USA use NATO airbases in Turkey as refueling and logistic hubs. This is why Turkey is getting defensive about it's airspace involving Russia. They really don't like the Russians and the is no agreement between them authorizing one to use the airspace of another. Chances are that Russia was violating Turkish airspace by using it as a thoroughfare to run combat ops. The Turkish didn't like that and took this moment to show it's displeasure while simultaneously getting back at the USA for using their NATO membership to twist their arms into supporting the "Bush wars". It's got a bit of delicious irony to it. The USA say's "Turkey you must allow us to use your airspace to support operations against your friends or you may be in violation of your NATO membership". Later Turkey say's "USA we just caused a whole lot of international heartache and you have to protect us against any retaliation from Russia because we're part of NATO *cheesy smile*"

In the case of Japan and South Korea I can state authoritatively they absolutely do have permission. The USA has airbases in both countries along with a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) that not only allows the US to maintain troops in those nations, but also enables the US to freely use those nations airspace's for military operations. The only requirement is that the US inform each nations national defense authority if it is doing anything out of the ordinary. I've personally been in helicopters flying from one base to another out here.

So after accusing Turkey of working with IS and blocking commerce between them and Russia, Putin said the reaction will not be limited to economic sanctions alone and Petrov piled on saying that Turkey "will regret twice what they did" they should expect more.

So...what?

Uh, Putin is posturing on the international stage instead of just the domestic one. I'd consider that worth noting.

I'm sure the Turks are worried.

I doubt it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be. Turkey is using the situation to try and force the US's hand. NATO is apprehensive about supporting them. So, we're basically in a situation where NATO members have to puff out their chests against Putin or risk Turkey making move overt moves to subvert the efforts against ISIS. They aren't supporting terrorism, but some members of their government stand to make a lot of money if ISIS continues to be a nuisance.

That aside they had another one of their funny exchange...

Putin "We have proof that Turkey helps ISIS."
Erdogan "No, Russia helps ISIS!"

lol.

Typical posturing to garner support. Until one or the other ponies up some real evidence, I'll continue to give them literally none of my attention.

I was being sarcastic, there is no reason for anyone to worry about Putin.

Plot Twist! they are both helping ISIS!

According to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Greece claims that their airspace is 10 miles but in fact, their territorial waters are only 6 miles (same as ours) and according to the related international laws, your airspace can't exceed your territorial waters.

The space between their and our territorial waters is international airspace and can't be claimed to be owned by any country. Their claim of an airspace that is 10 miles wide isn't officially accepted by any international organization that might have a say in this issue and legally speaking, it isn't possible to begin with.

They are also known for claiming to own... some tiny island (more like rock) in the Aegean Sea saying that it was among the islands (which belonged to Ottomans until the end of Italo-Turkish War) Italy (who didn't even fight for them, but that is off-topic) left to them at the end of WW2, referencing a document from Paris Peace Treaties in 1947 that only has ambigious statements regarding the status of those... rocks around the main islands. We almost went into war with them over a... rock in 1996.

I wouldn't say that, necessarily. The dude could go off the deep end and start patrolling NATO coastlines with nuclear subs. He's been called unstable by crediblev analysts. I just don't think he's stupid enough to actually do it.

Is that russian?

They've gotten to Jassik!

Dagum Android.

Unless you live in Ukraine.

START? He has been doing that for a decade or so.

If we're being honest, Russia has been in international waters off the coast of big players for decades. Under Putin the first time around, they were spotted in or very near sea ports as well as patrolling within those countries' waters. In recent years, though, they have stuck to international waters as far as has been reported.