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Valefor.Endoq said: » It just seems like the US is only pretending to fight ISIS. Sure the media says we are fighting. But it doesn't take much digging to realise something isn't adding up for this to be true. All we are doing is taking down leaders of nations so that terrorist can rise up and take their place. Why does this keep happening everywhere we go? Do you all really believe it's a coincidence? Russia has tightened controls on food products coming from Turkey cause "in 15% of cases they don't respect our standards" and they're blocking said commerce.
All of a sudden they're not up to their standards, sure. Valefor.Endoq said: » It just seems like the US is only pretending to fight ISIS. Iraq only send militia who besides one success are no less cruel than IS itself. The kurdish Peshmerga postponed an offensive against Mosul for over a year now. Their international supporters started to get angry at them and now they at least attack some Outposts and villages near the turkish border, Sinjar being the only real notable target. Russia mainly attacks non-IS positions to support Assads troop on the ground. France just went wild and attacked Al-Raqqah and destroyed things like hospitals and killed way more civilians than those who died at Paris. America on the other hand was vital in supporting the defence of kobane, their special forces retrieved the only internal source of information about the build up of IS and they killed several leaders. Besides America there is only one notable group who activly fights IS within their means, that is the teror group PKK. They are the main enemies of turkey, so they will be not part of any solution. And have been sacrificed by America already for more Turkish support. Bahamut.Kara said: » Edit: And I'm certaintly not an expert in Turkey/Syria history but this event didn't occur in a vaccum, which it seems to be portrayed as. Not specifically pointed at you, just trying to point out and agree that things are complicated Yes, it certainly didn't occur in a vacuum. Syria has been a shelter for PKK (the terrorist organization we have been fighting for the last 35~ years, losing tens of thousands of people, estimated 30k, civil and military combined) since their debut. They always had training camps and medical facilities there and the Ba'ath regime always turned a blind eye to their settlement in the region. Now, a branch of them, under the name of PYD, took control of many areas in northern Syria after the military abandoned most of the region and has been fighting the rebels who are the true residents of that region (thus, terrorizing not only our people, but now, Syrians as well). And guess what? They are taking guns and other supplies from certain supporters (for one, US is pretty adamant about supporting them) because they are clashing with ISIS here and there while they are trying to push the rebels out of northern Syria. The whole region is a bloody mess. Pawns are fighting each other, big brothers are watching and pumping guns into the fray, and Syrians are losing everything, their families, their homes and European Union is busy shitting their pants in fear of a refugee influx, telling us to keep all those people (2 million and counting) away from them... I mean, WTF. Do we look like a shelter with 783.562 km² surface area with infinite resources to take care of a whole country worth of people while the others to the west are building walls and fences? If this isn't already a world scale war, I don't know what the f* is. The only difference is that, the players are just pushing some buttons and watching instead of taking up arms themselves. Bismarck.Leneth said: » The USA is THE nation that fights IS. They do both.
No country is killing more ISIS terrorists than the US, I welcome evidence that disputes that. I would also welcome evidence that we are currently supplying arms to them.
Then you would like to share with us who destroyed all the heavy weaponry of ISIS they stole and bought, rendering them unable to do any further big scale offensive?
US is grossly responsible for the Islamic State's existence.
As for arming them...well, I don't know about directly, but they armed the syrian rebels who gave up and got all the weapons passed to the IS who got some free upgrades lol. But US is also the one who bombed them the most out of all those who sent stuff there. Valefor.Sehachan said: » US is grossly responsible for the Islamic State's existence. As for arming them...well, I don't know about directly, but they armed the syrian rebels who gave up and got all the weapons passed to the IS who got some free upgrades lol. But US is also the one who bombed them the most out of all those who sent stuff there. If we look into creating ISIS and America's fault which lead to them we had this discussion earlier. My post can be found here: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/43490/random-politics-religion/605#2905279 Again he is free to point out where I am wrong and have a proper discussion. Offline
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Russian military would destroy the United States Military in less then a month so shut up sissy America's.
Chyretta said: » Russian military would destroy the United States Military in less then a month so shut up sissy America's. Chyretta said: » Russian military would destroy the United States Military in less then a month so shut up sissy America's. No disrespect towards the deaths, but I couldn't help think of a turkey with a bazooka on this day.
Bismarck.Leneth said: » He changed topic from fighting to creating ISIS Bismarck.Leneth said: » Then you would like to share with us who destroyed all the heavy weaponry of ISIS they stole and bought, rendering them unable to do any further big scale offensive? Valefor.Sehachan said: » As for arming them...well, I don't know about directly There are two sources in that article: The Ron Paul Institute (lol) and RT which owned by the Russian government and known for propaganda.
Still, Russia has done a fair amount of damage to ISIS, sadly they couldn't do it without doing even more damage to the rebels and invading other country's airspace. Well you have to look at it from their point of view. The Syrian government is their ally and they were requested to help their ally. Therefore, they are fighting against all forces opposing the legitimate government. It makes no sense to only fight against certain enemies and not others, but neither does the idea of 'moderate' rebels.
Nothing wrong with Ron Paul, one of the few decent American politicians. Turkish map
Russian map Little easier to tell with this one Leviathan.Chaosx said: » Well you have to look at it from their point of view. The Syrian government is their ally and they were requested to help their ally. Therefore, they are fighting against all forces opposing the legitimate government. It makes no sense to only fight against certain enemies and not others, but neither does the idea of 'moderate' rebels. Nothing wrong with Ron Paul, one of the few decent American politicians. Funny, they didn't have any involvement in the Syrian civil war until the rebels were winning and then they began air strikes saying it was against ISIS and denied having targeted only rebels for the first part of their offensive. When they were called out, then they started bombing ISIS as well as the rebels. Face it, Russia's only stake in the conflict is to help Assad, bombing ISIS is just a PR ploy. Jassik said: » Russia's only stake in the conflict is to help Assad Leviathan.Chaosx said: » Jassik said: » Russia's only stake in the conflict is to help Assad Which is why it's blatantly hypocritical for them to posture about Turkey's support of terrorism and claim they were protecting ISIS by shooting at Russian jets invading their airspace. Russia comes out looking like total asshats to everyone besides the nationalists who will believe anything coming from the Kremlin. Turkish government does support terrorism though. It's been known for awhile and made public since at least July.
Quote: A US-led raid on the compound housing the Islamic State's "chief financial officer" produced evidence that Turkish officials directly dealt with ranking ISIS members, Martin Chulov of the Guardian reported recently. The officer killed in the raid, Islamic State official Abu Sayyaf, was responsible for directing the terror army's oil and gas operations in Syria. The Islamic State (aka ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh) earns up to $10 million a month selling oil on black markets. Documents and flash drives seized during the Sayyaf raid reportedly revealed links "so clear" and "undeniable" between Turkey and ISIS "that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara," senior Western official familiar with the captured intelligence told the Guardian. NATO member Turkey has long been accused by experts, Kurds, and even Joe Biden of enabling ISIS by turning a blind eye to the vast smuggling networks of weapons and fighters during the ongoing Syrian war. The move by the ruling AKP party was apparently part of ongoing attempts to trigger the downfall of Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime. Ankara officially ended its loose border policy last year, but not before its southern frontier became a transit point for cheap oil, weapons, foreign fighters, and pillaged antiquities. October 2014.
Quote: The issue was not so much in what he said - Obama administration officials have long been making similar complaints - but that he said it publicly just as the US has secured regional support for a coalition against Islamic State (IS) militants. His comments also exposed very different views between the US and Syria's neighbours about who's to blame for the rise of IS. "Our biggest problem was our allies," Mr Biden told students at the Harvard Kennedy School. "The Turks… the Saudis, the Emirates, etc, what were they doing? They were so determined to take down (Syrian President Bashar al) Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens, thousands of tonnes of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad." These policies ended up helping militants linked to al-Qaeda and ultimately IS, he said. Mr Biden also claimed that Turkey admitted it had let too many foreign fighters cross its border into Syria. ... US officials and regional analysts have long described direct, largely unregulated, funding of extremist groups by sympathetic individuals in the Gulf states - the Treasury Department recently sanctioned what it said were three such Kuwait-based financiers. At the official level, Gulf countries led by Saudi Arabia openly declared support for arming the rebels early on in the conflict, and some of them backed Islamist factions. Qatar and Turkey provided support to the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist militias and "some of what they sent got to (al-Qaeda linked) Jabhat al-Nusra", according to a former administration official. Leviathan.Chaosx said: » Bismarck.Leneth said: » He changed topic from fighting to creating ISIS Leviathan.Chaosx said: » Bismarck.Leneth said: » Then you would like to share with us who destroyed all the heavy weaponry of ISIS they stole and bought, rendering them unable to do any further big scale offensive? http://www.cbrneworld.com/_uploads/download_magazines/Sellstrom_Feb_2014_v2.pdf |
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