Russian Fighter Jet Shot Down By Turkey

I wouldn't be surprised if a few flew without the world ending. If a conflict was to break out.

Am I the only one who doesn't play these games or that has never even played any of the Fallout series?

I don't feel alone.

I wouldn't laugh at Russia's actions, things are rather serious.
They claimed all hostile actions will be answered with force. If they start taking down turkish planes it's war.

With NATO behind them? Even without NATO, Turkey has a US made military, Russia is using Cold War era junk. We created Turkey as a buffer state, and have an active nuclear mission there, Russia isn't going to do anything.

Am I seeing this right? They crossed into Turkish airspace then circled around and came back into Turkish airspace? It's going to be pretty hard to explain that away.

I wouldn't laugh at Russia's actions, things are rather serious.
They claimed all hostile actions will be answered with force. If they start taking down turkish planes it's war.

With NATO behind them? Even without NATO, Turkey has a US made military, Russia is using Cold War era junk. We created Turkey as a buffer state, and have an active nuclear mission there, Russia isn't going to do anything.

Never say never but it's typically the kind of game that doesn't turn me on, at all. It gives me the same vibe as any Elder's scroll after Morrowind.

Am I the only one who doesn't play these games or that has never even played any of the Fallout series?

Peskov "We will continue our raids against the terrorists. It would be nice to stay away from Turkey, but unfortunately they tend to stay near their border."

Putin "If this happens again we will fight back."

It's looking like this situation could provide a safe haven for terrorists. >.>

I'm neither scared nor panicking. But I take things with the due seriousness unlike others.

But Putin can wrestle a bear barehanded.

Your move.

Turkey makes it sound like Russia was deep in their airspace when they shot the jets down, but looking at the radar pic from the last page, that's not the case.

I mean come on now. The jets were taking a shortcut through a very small area of Turkish airspace, and Turkey claims that they were being invaded? Still doesn't smell right.

It certainly seems like extremely poor judgment on Turkey's part, in my opinion anyhow.

At the same time though, Russian air forces were warned in the past that they were being provocative. Repeatedly. They were warned repeatedly in this instance to get out of Turkish air space before escalation occurred. And it wasn't "a shortcut through Turkish airspace." It was foreign warplanes in their airspace. It was a violation of their sovereignty no matter how you look at it, no matter how small a violation you subjectively consider it.

Were I calling the shots (literally, in this case) in Turkey, I would not have elected to shoot down Russian aircraft. I, however, was not in that position and it was not my country's airspace being violated, so it's easy for me to sit here and judge.

President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday ordered state-of-the art air defense missile systems to be deployed at a Russian air base in Syria following the downing of one of its warplanes by Turkey, a move that raised the threat of a military confrontation between the NATO member and Moscow.

The S-400 missile systems will be sent to the Hemeimeem air base in Syria’s coastal province of Latakia, located about 50 kilometers (30 miles) south of the border with Turkey. The systems are capable of targeting Turkish jets with deadly precision. If Russia shot down a Turkish plane, NATO would be required to intervene.

Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber on Tuesday, saying it crossed into its airspace from Syria despite repeated warnings. One of its two pilots was killed by militants after bailing out, while his crewmate was rescued by Syrian army commandos and delivered in good condition to the Russian base early Wednesday.

Putin said the Russian plane remained in Syria’s skies when it was shot down. He described Turkey’s action as a “crime” and a “stab in the back,” warning of serious consequences.

He said that the Russian Foreign Ministry’s warning to Russians not to visit Turkey was needed “because we can’t exclude some other incidents following what happened yesterday and our citizens in Turkey could be in significant danger.”

On Wednesday, the Russian leader ordered the military to deploy the S-400s to Hemeimeem and took other measures that “should be sufficient to ensure flight safety.”

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday that the Russian missile cruiser Moskva already has moved closer to shore to protect the Russian aircraft flying missions near Syria’s border with Turkey with its long-range Fort air defense system.

“It will be ready to destroy any aerial target posing a potential danger to our aircraft,” he said at a meeting with military officials.

Shoigu also said that from now on all Russian bombers will be escorted by fighters on their combat missions in Syria. He said that his ministry has severed all contacts with the Turkish military.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who canceled his planned trip to Turkey after the incident, described the shooting down of the Russian plane as a “planned provocation.”

He said the Turkish action came after Russian planes successfully targeted oil infrastructure used by the Islamic State group, alleging that Turkey benefited from the oil trade.

Lavrov also said that Turkish territory was used by “terrorists” to prepare attacks in other countries, but offered no details. He said that Russia “has no intention to go to war with Turkey,” but added that Moscow will re-consider its ties with Ankara.

Some leading Russian tourist agencies already have suspended the sales of tour packages to Turkey. Nearly 4.5 million Russians visited Turkey last year, second only to German tourists.

Some Russian lawmakers suggested that Moscow should respond to the downing of the plane by cracking down on Turkish companies in Russia, but Lavrov said that “we don’t want to artificially create problems for Turkish producers and exporters, who aren’t responsible for what has happened.” Still, he added that “we can’t but react to what has happened.”

Russia was the biggest source of Turkish imports last year, worth $25 billion, which mostly accounted for Russian gas supplies.

Most Turkish exports to Russia are textiles and food, and although Turkish food exports have not been covered by the Russian food embargo, they fell by 40 percent in January-September this year compared to a year ago.

Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a written statement that Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu and Lavrov agreed to a meeting "in the coming days," during their telephone conversation Wednesday, but Lavrov said he has no such plans.

Turkey informed the U.N. that two Russian planes disregarded warnings and violated Turkish airspace "to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds."

Lavrov shrugged off the Turkish argument that it had no other choice but to shoot the plane down, pointing at the 2012 downing of a Turkish warplane by Syria in its airspace, saying that Ankara argued then that a brief incursion wasn’t a reason to shoot down its jet. He also pointed at routine violations of Greece’s airspace by Turkish combat planes.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday that his country doesn’t wish to escalate tensions with Russia over the downing of the plane.

Speaking at an Organization of Islamic Cooperation economy meeting in Istanbul, Erdogan said that Turkey favors “peace, dialogue and diplomacy.” He defended his country’s move to shoot down the plane saying: “no one should expect Turkey to stay silent to border violations or the violation of its rights."

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu also sought to ease tensions, saying that Russia is Turkey's "friend and neighbor" and insisting relations cannot be "sacrificed to accidents of communication."

In a sign of the tensions, protesters in Moscow hurled eggs and stones at the Turkish Embassy, breaking windows in the compound. Police cleared the area and made some arrests shortly after the protest began.

Davutoglu told his party's lawmakers on Wednesday that Turkey didn't know the nationality of the plane that was brought down on Tuesday until Moscow announced it was Russian.

He again defended Turkey's action, saying Russia was warned on several occasions that Turkey would take action in case its border is violated in line with its military rules of engagement.

Davutoglu also said Russia is an "important partner and tops the list of countries with which we have shown great sensitivity in building ties."

The Turkish prime minister, however, also criticized Russian and Syrian operations in Syria's Turkmen region, saying there is "not one single" presence of the Islamic State group there. Davutoglu demanded that operations there stop immediately.

But what of the geopolitical implications that will ensue from Obama eating turkey now?

A hidden message?!?!?

Isn't it obvious?

Apparently, Obama is going to send the Syrian Rebels cranberry sauce to counter Russia's gibbet gravy and to also prevent ISIS from sending out sweet potato bombs, which is obviously against the International Treaty on Food-related Weapons ban.

But seriously, the way people here (on this website) make it sound like Russia is always flying deep in another sovereign nation's airspace all the time.

Fine, if they were flying over Istanbul, or Ankara, then I would see justification of shooting said jets down. But to shoot the jets down from a small, unpopulated area on a tip of the border that's less than 1 mile wide? By the looks of the radar map, the missiles didn't even hit the jets until they were in Syrian airspace.

That's like the US firing on another nation's aircraft for flying over a small island in Alaska/Florida/Hawaii. Do you think that the international community wouldn't have called the US the aggressor in that case?