Trump Talk™

no you most certainly did not.

we said you could visit, we never said you could stay...

Yet you failed in every attempt to rebut my understanding. Also, personal attacks, etc.

We took their land we gave them casinos to make up for it !

If you want to try and turn nativist arguments against anyone, legal immigrants have the best defense.

They technically were the first illegal immigrants:

If the native americans don't like it they can go back to Beringia !

Like you are above them.

Hypocrite.

There comes a point in time when you realize that the other person has zero interest in a productive dialogue or even water cooler talk and is just defending a religious belief. That point is when I usually add them to my blist because you can't communicate reasonable with someone who doesn't value reason. Jassik used to be fairly moderate but has drunk more and more of the progressive koolaid and is now a card carrying member of the cult. He supports anything they support and is against anything the hated enemy devil is for.

If tomorrow the Republicans decided to run on a platform of pro-pink-hats, Jassik and friends would be adamantly against pink-hats and find various reasons to argue how the color of pink on a hat is dangerous to the environment and oppresses someone.

Where?

Libs are far from faultless, but at what point do conservatives realize most attacks coming from them are nothing more than projection coming from their own guilty conscience?

What's the republican position on pre-K education, net neutrality and money in politics again?

You didn't have one. At least, until liberals took a position on it.

I have plenty of interest in a productive dialogue, I used the nativist ideology in a different context for perspective. I also noted several inconsistencies in the way the argument has been presented: freedom of movement, citizenship agreements, obscurity of borders, borders changing, etc.

It's not that I don't want to have a productive conversation, I haven't even expressed my opinion, it's that you're unable to address the inconsistencies in your viewpoint in the same manner you were chastising Pleebo for in the global warming thread.

Instead of discussing the points people present, you just go on a rant about progressivism or call people idiots. Who really isn't interested in having a productive dialogue?

No. So everything that is wrong with this country can be blamed on the native's lax immigration policies.

I have crossed the Canadian border unknowingly.

In a canoe, in Maine. I was 12 or 13. It won't look any different today.

No but it's impossible to correctly say that America was founded by illegal immigrants.

A prime example of failure to protect your borders.
Thank you for making Trumps case.
You fell right into it.

It's more that immigration policies of the past weren't as restricted as present ones and apparently worked better.

Do you actually have a source for that, or have you just failed to history again?

Let's keep the personal insults and trollbaiting to an absolute zero, please. I will start handing out warnings and suspension if you continue to persist.

Saevel is now topicbanned. Do not respond to their posts please.

Edit: KingNobody has been Untopicbanned.

I'm surprised no one posted this yet.

Must...not....respond.....trolls will eat me.

White Mage Power!

Obligatory:

Yes, I have a source, history. You're welcome to look up the previous immigration systems prior to the immigration and naturalization act of 65 or prior to the 14th amendment, which although claimed to be about slaves, was passed prior to emancipation and later expanded to include slaves. Before the current system we had national quotas, prior to that we allowed people to come and reside and work by just showing up. Almost every immigration explosion, legal or otherwise, has been driven by work and met with xenophobia. It was the Chinese, then the Irish, then Italians and Germans, then Indians, now it's Hispanics. It's not a new thing, but the more difficult we've made legal immigration, the more illegal immigration has happened. They're going to come here for work, so either make it legal, documented, and available, or get used to it.

Your claim was that they were both less restricted than now and better. I look back and see a lot of sketchy exclusions that have now been dropped.

I was being facetious, I said apparently better. Since people are acting as if central american immigrants are the end of the united states, when obviously this is just the latest version of the Irish or Chinese. More restrictive immigration policies haven't done anything to quell the influx of migrant workers over the last few centuries, all they've served is to make an ever increasing amount of them undocumented, unvetted, untaxible, and criminal.

Again, our immigration system is broken, but building a wall is putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. Fix the system, make legal immigration possible. The current cost of a green card is thousands of dollars in the fees alone, and that's assuming you don't have to have documents translated, special immunizations (my wife had to have them twice), etc. And, if you don't have standing for a family based immigration petition, you're subject to a lottery process. If you don't get chosen, you are out most of that money and have to wait another year to reapply. If you do, you still have to have the money to actually come here, find a place to live, find work, etc. When the median household income for the rest of the world is below 8,000 a year, it's ridiculous to expect a person to be able to risk half a year's income simply filing documents that most likely won't result in a green card.

Wow. He cried to the mod over 'hypocrite'?

looooooooooooooooooooooooool

I think I will bow out of this topic. Too many liberal trolls with thin skin and nothing better to do. It will end with the same 5 people that agree on everything except the one of them that likes guns and of course the topic will die of boredom.

/wave

Wasn't me, I don't report petty stuff.

What's a liberal troll?

Everyone that's not a conservative troll?