Top to bottom (head, body, hands, legs, feet) Blue is Haste, Green is DT.

He shows the specific testing in the comments on the original post
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The conversation reminded me of a twitter post I saw the other day, talking about the sworn(rdm pld blu) set, while the haste comes out higher than listed, the DT is being reported undervalue. Might be worth checking brd set as well
Top to bottom (head, body, hands, legs, feet) Blue is Haste, Green is DT. ![]() He shows the specific testing in the comments on the original post https://x.com/higeburo_FF11/status/2022611882042138858 Asura.Otomis said: » Working on Prime horn, will be stage 4 here in the near future. Might start playing Bard more when I finish it. Is the below considered the optimal set now for Bard engaged? Any feedback is appreciated. ItemSet 402075 Limbus body is now slightly better than Asher’s, tho needs to be almost maxed Garfield said: » The conversation reminded me of a twitter post I saw the other day, talking about the sworn(rdm pld blu) set, while the haste comes out higher than listed, the DT is being reported undervalue. Might be worth checking brd set as well Top to bottom (head, body, hands, legs, feet) Blue is Haste, Green is DT. ![]() https://x.com/higeburo_FF11/status/2022611882042138858 Someone will have to verify that, DT is always and has always been over not under Aylee515 said: » Limbus body is now slightly better than Asher’s, tho needs to be almost maxed Ashera / Revelation DEF: 148 / 185 HP: 182 / 130 Acc: 45 / 42 (45.75) Att: 45 / 42 (59) MDB: 5 / 7 Meva: 96 / 100 STP: 10 / 8 Crit: 0 / 8 DT: 7 / 8 Ashera offers a bit more HP and +2 STP over Revelation, but loses pretty much in every other field? And that's at Rank 0, i.e. without augments. It looks like Revelation is slightly behind Ashera when it comes to Accuracy and Attack, but when you factor the higher STR and DEX on Revelation, it's actually ahead. So even before factoring the additional Acc, DA and PDL I'd dare to say Revelation is overall slightly better than Ashera. Of course I didn't factor the 90 resist paralyze which... is something unique I guess. If you ask me, I'd still pick Revelation over Ashera, even before augs. hum, went back and re-compared and yeah idk what i looked originally, i agree with you. Basically only losing 2 STP and some hp on ashera to gain decent bit more severability and acc, atk, and crit hit rate at R0 (increase in atk/acc from str/dex conversion)
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main="Naegling", sub="Fusetto +2", range={ name="Linos", augments={'Accuracy+13 Attack+13','"Store TP"+4','Quadruple Attack +3',}}, head="Aya. Zucchetto +2", body="Ayanmo Corazza +2", hands="Bunzi's Gloves", legs="Volte Tights", feet="Nyame Sollerets", neck={ name="Bard's Charm +2", augments={'Path: A',}}, waist="Reiki Yotai", left_ear="Eabani Earring", right_ear="Telos Earring", left_ring="Moonlight Ring", right_ring="Moonlight Ring", back={ name="Intarabus's Cape", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','"Store TP"+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}}, That is my current TP set as bard, i do not own other volte pieces, i do not own ashera harness. Bunzi is r0 because i do not currently have a clear or RP I am subbing dancer way more often so my 11 DW is not hitting any thresholds, im under capped without haste samba and im over capped if i do haste samba. I tend to forget to haste samba but usually try to remember on bosses in sortie. But regular mobs? I never do even though i know i should Is double attack or stp better on the cape? Should i go dual wield on it? Nyame is R20-25. Feet are R25 what would you recommend I change to be better at tping? And lets ignore the limbus armor as options for now pls jarhead402011 said: » Alright guys, im back main="Naegling", sub="Fusetto +2", range={ name="Linos", augments={'Accuracy+13 Attack+13','"Store TP"+4','Quadruple Attack +3',}}, head="Aya. Zucchetto +2", body="Ayanmo Corazza +2", hands="Bunzi's Gloves", legs="Volte Tights", feet="Nyame Sollerets", neck={ name="Bard's Charm +2", augments={'Path: A',}}, waist="Reiki Yotai", left_ear="Eabani Earring", right_ear="Telos Earring", left_ring="Moonlight Ring", right_ring="Moonlight Ring", back={ name="Intarabus's Cape", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','"Store TP"+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}}, That is my current TP set as bard, i do not own other volte pieces, i do not own ashera harness. Bunzi is r0 because i do not currently have a clear or RP I am subbing dancer way more often so my 11 DW is not hitting any thresholds, im under capped without haste samba and im over capped if i do haste samba. I tend to forget to haste samba but usually try to remember on bosses in sortie. But regular mobs? I never do even though i know i should Is double attack or stp better on the cape? Should i go dual wield on it? what would you recommend I change to be better at tping? And lets ignore the limbus armor as options for now pls No real reason to ignore the limbus armor. R0 is more ontainable for people than most other gear and body/leg/feet are mostly BIS So you are saying R0 limbus armor is better than R25 nyame feet, volte tights, and the ayanmo +2 body?
If you're subbing /DNC
-Use Haste Sambba -Drop Reiki Yotai, Telos Earring, use Suppanomimi. Frees up waist slot --Can go Sailfi +1, Kentarch belt +1, or Windbuffet Belt +1 -Hard disagree on "let's ignore limbus armor" - you can buy them and they only require one of each matter and a cursed item. I'd upgrade Body/Legs/Feet instantly to Revelation -Change cape to Null Shawl -Cap your Linos acc/att augments. 15/15 isn't hard (2 is a small difference, but you asked). Or go +20 Accuracy. jarhead402011 said: » So you are saying R0 limbus armor is better than R25 nyame feet, volte tights, and the ayanmo +2 body? Yes. The feet you can decide on your own. Revelation is less tanky than Nyame sollerets and they are practically the same offensive-wise (R25 Nyame DA+4 48acc 60 att vs r0 Revelation 42acc 42att 5crit 5stp). jarhead402011 said: » And lets ignore the limbus armor as options for now pls But im already TPing in 44% pdt with my current TP set. Becoming even more squishy sounds horrible for sortie no?
You're already using 2 Ayanmo pieces, which have ***defensive traits comparably, and Volte tights have no DT. Upgrading to Revelation Body/legs at the very least is an improvement for sure. You can decide on the feet if you want to be cheap and not spend, Nyame are fine defensively and OK offensively, but Revelation set is just straight upgrade for what you're wearing from what I can see. You're not becoming any more squishy than you already are, you're gaining defense.
And almost nothing in Sortie is physical damage, so that's not much of a concern either. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » You're already using 2 Ayanmo pieces, which have ***defensive traits comparably, and Volte tights have no DT. Upgrading to Revelation Body/legs at the very least is an improvement for sure. You can decide on the feet if you want to be cheap and not spend, Nyame are fine defensively and OK offensively, but Revelation set is just straight upgrade for what you're wearing from what I can see. You're not becoming any more squishy than you already are, you're gaining defense. And almost nothing in Sortie is physical damage, so that's not much of a concern either. Is 8STP better than 7DA? You're right, I was looking at the wrong legs like an idiot. I'd be going from no DT on volte tights to having 7% on the limbus legs. Sorry, I initially said no Limbus gear because I was thinking you need to R30 it first but I was mistaken. So I should switch to Limbus legs and body asap, drop my belt for sailfi+1 R15. Drop telos for sup earring. Anything else you recommend? jarhead402011 said: » Lakshmi.Buukki said: » You're already using 2 Ayanmo pieces, which have ***defensive traits comparably, and Volte tights have no DT. Upgrading to Revelation Body/legs at the very least is an improvement for sure. You can decide on the feet if you want to be cheap and not spend, Nyame are fine defensively and OK offensively, but Revelation set is just straight upgrade for what you're wearing from what I can see. You're not becoming any more squishy than you already are, you're gaining defense. And almost nothing in Sortie is physical damage, so that's not much of a concern either. Is 8STP better than 7DA? You're right, I was looking at the wrong legs like an idiot. I'd be going from no DT on volte tights to having 7% on the limbus legs. Sorry, I initially said no Limbus gear because I was thinking you need to R30 it first but I was mistaken. So I should switch to Limbus legs and body asap, drop my belt for sailfi+1 R15. Drop telos for sup earring. Anything else you recommend? And then switching my feet eventually. How does STP vs DA work? the feet would be dropping 4%DA for 5STP jarhead402011 said: » Anything else you recommend? I mentioned a few other things in my post above. Can do Bunzi's Hat to R25 if you're able too. jarhead402011 said: » How does STP vs DA work? the feet would be dropping 4%DA for 5STP You're comparing BASE Revelation to R25 Nyame. You're gonna get 1 more DA on Nyame and that's it. Revelation feet (if you ever choose) is going to improve over time because of augments, caps at 6%. It also has critical hit rate, which will improve your dps as well. I don't really know how to quantify DA vs STP on paper/text, sims can tell you straight up (but it also depends on a number of other factors); some people compare it on a 1:1 basis. I prefer to look at it on a per-round basis. You won't double attack every round (unless you have Hoxne ampulla, but thats another conversation), so DA gear has only effects when it procs (finite value), but you will gain the benefit of STP every single round. Also, DA caps at 100% because you can't proc DA twice on same swing. STP has no cap (suffers from diminishing returns like anything else, but less value > no value). This is an oversimplification of the stats, but its how I compare pieces when they are very close in values. Doesn't apply to TA/QA but it's kind of close gauge for DA:STP. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » jarhead402011 said: » Anything else you recommend? I mentioned a few other things in my post above. Can do Bunzi's Hat to R25 if you're able too. jarhead402011 said: » How does STP vs DA work? the feet would be dropping 4%DA for 5STP You're comparing BASE Revelation to R25 Nyame. You're gonna get 1 more DA on Nyame and that's it. Revelation feet (if you ever choose) is going to improve over time because of augments, caps at 6%. It also has critical hit rate, which will improve your dps as well. I don't really know how to quantify DA vs STP on paper/text, sims can tell you straight up (but it also depends on a number of other factors); some people compare it on a 1:1 basis. I prefer to look at it on a per-round basis. You won't double attack every round (unless you have Hoxne ampulla, but thats another conversation), so DA gear has only effects when it procs (finite value), but you will gain the benefit of STP every single round. Also, DA caps at 100% because you can't proc DA twice on same swing. STP has no cap (suffers from diminishing returns like anything else, but less value > no value). This is an oversimplification of the stats, but its how I compare pieces when they are very close in values. Doesn't apply to TA/QA but it's kind of close gauge for DA:STP. Thanks for the help, gonna get to work on this after work Is the Revelation Masque not also a straight up upgrade from the ayanmo head +2? same stp, double the dt, ever so slightly less acc and 1 less dex but but way better evasion?
Yes. Ayanmo is ambuscade tier gear. But I mentioned bunzi as the superior option. Revelation if you don't have it
Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Yes. Ayanmo is ambuscade tier gear. But I mentioned bunzi as the superior option. Revelation if you don't have it I have R0 Bunzi's but havent done the fight beyond V0 and have no RP. So I'll be getting the rev helm then Stop wearing ambu gear. Doesn't matter how much dt you have. Ambu +2 gear is straight trash.
Dodik said: » Stop wearing ambu gear. Doesn't matter how much dt you have. Ambu +2 gear is straight trash. Fair lol, it is, just got the legs and so now im going to hopefully be able to get the body soon Gotta be honest, i got the body and the legs from limbus, changed my belt to sailfi+1 r15, changed telos to sup earring for the dual weild and it just feels like a straight up downgrade tp wise
No null shawl yet but other than higher DT and more evasion/meva im failing to see the upgrade? Am i missing something? Lacks context. What are you talking about "it just feels like a straight up downgrade tp wise"? Are you haste capped? Do you have Haste Samba active? What's your full TP set? What was a downgrade as far as "Bard TP set" is concerned (less accuracy, feels slower, less MA procs, weaker attacks)? Which Limbus gear did you make, Hope, Perfection, or Revelation?
Revelation+accessories vs Ayanmo/Volte+accessories Comparison 16 STR (Revelation) --> +16 attack 18 DEX (Ayanmo, Set Bonus) --> +13.5 accuracy 42 Defense (Revelation) 20 (33.5) Accuracy (Ayanmo) 84~89 (100~105) Attack (Revelation) 2 STP (Ayanmo) -9DT (Revelation) 3DA (Ayanmo) 2TA (Revelation) 15 Critical Hit Rate (Revelation) 74 HP (Revelation) 39 Magic Evasion (Revelation) 1 Magic Defense Bonus (Revelation) 130 Evasion (Revelation) 8 Subtle Blow (Ayanmo) So if you are saying your former set was a downgrade, the only thing I see that's significant of a loss is 33 accuracy, from the Ayanmo+2 set bonus, reiki yotai and telos. The 2 STP is minimal, advantage to Ayanmo as well, but 3DA is less than 2 TA (3 extra swings vs 4 extra swings), but that's basically a wash if you compare 2 STP vs 1 extra swing/100. You lost 8 Subtle Blow too, but you can't really be talking about that. Revelation set has almost 100 attack more, 15 Critical hit rate, 9 less damage taken, higher Defense/HP/evasion/magic evasion/Magic Defense Bonus (slightly).Unless you're having accuracy problems (fixable with Null Shawl, sushi), where's the downgrade? Are you telling me you can eyeball 2 STP and disregard all the defensive advantage? Newish BRD posting for assessment, as well as for any of you who just like to come and sh!t on people's posts and comments. These are my song precast and duration sets. FC capped, DT capped (on both). I have seen multiple guides that have Shield in the sub slot. I am almost always DWing, and haven't had the opportunity to do BRD/DRK in Sortie yet. NOTE: I fully understand that specific songs are going to have some unique pieces in certain slots.
ItemSet 402334 ItemSet 402050 Galkapryme said: » Pretty solid! Casting time in the precast set and Potency/Duration in midcast is pretty much all you need. Ballad you won't want to use the empy legs over Ambu due to the loss of a lot of duration and overwriting rules. Here's my overlay for individual songs, your mileage may vary: sets.midcast.Madrigal = {head="Fili Calot +2",back=gear.magic_jse_back} sets.midcast.Paeon = {head="Brioso Roundlet +1"} sets.midcast.March = {hands="Fili Manchettes +2"} sets.midcast['Honor March'] = set_combine(sets.midcast.March, {range="Marsyas"}) sets.midcast['Aria of Passion'] = set_combine(sets.midcast.SongEffect, {range="Loughnashade"}) sets.midcast.Minne = {legs="Mousai Seraweels +1"} sets.midcast.Carol = {hands="Mousai Gages +1"} sets.midcast["Sentinel's Scherzo"] = {feet="Fili Cothurnes +2"} sets.midcast['Magic Finale'] = {range="Daurdabla"} sets.midcast.Mazurka = {range="Marsyas"} sets.midcast.Prelude = {back=gear.magic_jse_back} sets.midcast.Mambo = {feet="Mousai Crackows +1"} sets.midcast.Etude = {head="Mousai Turban +1"} Gendewitha are weak, I'd wear Leyline gloves if you can/have them. I would put FC in the neck/ring slots instead of DT.
I use: Voltsurge (4) Fili head (16) Brioso body (15) Leyline gloves (8) Kishar Ring (4) Embla Sash (5) Ambu cape (10) Volte Brais (8) Fili feet (13) If you have the 5% FC neck from MMM you can drop the Kishar ring. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Gendewitha are weak, I'd wear Leyline gloves if you can/have them. I would put FC in the neck/ring slots instead of DT. I use: Voltsurge (4) Fili head (16) Brioso body (15) Leyline gloves (8) Kishar Ring (4) Embla Sash (5) Ambu cape (10) Volte Brais (8) Fili feet (13) If you have the 5% FC neck from MMM you can drop the Kishar ring. I forgot Leyline is 8 FC. Thanks for the reminder. I initially had Voltsurge, but I wanted to ensure capped FC and -DT. Having 20 total -DT in my ring slots, to me, was a better choice than 4 FC that I can get somewhere else. The Loricate also has pretty impressive DEF. Linos can also get a 5% fast cast augment.
Enchntr. Earring +1 is 2% FC, one higher than etiolation and is all jobs. Bunzi's Hat has FC+10 and DT-7 on it if you want both in your FC set - for non-gearswap sets presumably. Dodik said: » Linos can also get a 5% fast cast augment. Enchntr. Earring +1 is 2% FC, one higher than etiolation and is all jobs. Bunzi's Hat has FC+10 and DT-7 on it if you want both in your FC set - for non-gearswap sets presumably. For BRD, the FC is specifically for songs. Linos wouldn't be of much use for that (i.e., can't use it for Honor March, Aria, or dummy songs) |
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