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 Asura.Outlawbruce
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By Asura.Outlawbruce 2020-01-13 12:29:41  
Bahamut.Hismena said: »
AG Twashtar would still be a bigger upgrade for Rime and Rudras, though, right, compared to Tauret?

If you're MH carn, I'm not sure why you'd OH twash. Unless you're spamming rudras with it? R0 Carn spamming rudras would make sense if you dont have aeonic. R15 carn you'd want to OH taming.
I'm not sure if I'm answering your question correctly. Twas OH isn't a upgrade for rime. For rudras, yes.
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By Wotasu 2020-01-13 13:10:57  
Mordant Rime is Chr & Dex mod, and Twas is +50dex
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By Crossbones 2020-01-13 13:45:05  
Sometimes you overtp (like in dyna cause of lag even despite your best efforts) at which point you're better off using rudras and that 50 dex on twash helps out quite a bit. It also has pretty low delay which is a perk in and of itself.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-01-13 16:29:22  
Wotasu said: »
Mordant Rime is Chr & Dex mod, and Twas is +50dex
The mods are not the same though.
It's 70% CHR and 30% CHR.
Twash's 50 DEX is not really a big deal when you factor that.

When I tested it on the old spreadsheet (which is now severly outdated but back then not so much) Perf Saming Sari was undisputably above Twash Offhand.
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By Aerison 2020-01-13 17:31:37  
8 DEX or 3 quad attack on Linos for Rudras?
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By Asura.Outlawbruce 2020-01-13 17:37:28  
Aerison said: »
8 DEX or 3 quad attack on Linos for Rudras?

3 quad. Can stack quite a bit with jse neck and chiro DM pieces. I dont think the new earring will really be all that great.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2020-01-13 19:19:52  
Asura.Sechs said: »
It's hard to keep it up-to-date without instruments to measure efficiency of pieces for each slot in an objective way.

Sims are too slow for that (and there are none available).
The spreadsheet is way too outdated.
We can parse stuff sure, but there are so many variables in there and FFXI has no "puppets" to measure DPS efficiently that way.
So yeah...
if you're willing to learn some python 3 i could help you make a brd simulation easily
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By Odin.Willster 2020-01-14 00:01:49  
Got volte tiara.... probably the one peice not needed
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-01-14 01:32:53  
Asura.Outlawbruce said: »
Aerison said: »
8 DEX or 3 quad attack on Linos for Rudras?

3 quad. Can stack quite a bit with jse neck and chiro DM pieces. I dont think the new earring will really be all that great.
Uhm... Multiattack tipically don't produce massive increase of damage for a WS like Rudra's Storm.
If we were talking about TA+3 I'd be pretty confident with DEX+8 winning. QA+3 I dunno.
I seem to recall last time I tested it they were so close it's probably not particularly worth discussing it.
Speaking about Linos don't forget that in the Leaf slot you can pick WSD+3% in place of DA+3%. That's a more noticeable difference for Rudra's Storm.

If you wanna know what I did, well, I'm currently using my TP Linos (Acc/Att+13, DA+3, QA+3) for both TP and all my WSs.
Why? Because the difference was small enough it didn't motivate me, because I'm lazy, because Rudra is a secondary WS for me and because I spent so much gil (it took me probably over 50 mils of Leaf stones to get DA+3, not joking) that I kinda got burned out and felt overwhelmed at the thought of augmenting a second Linos.
But now years have passed, I think I might get one myself.


Odin.Willster said: »
Got volte tiara.... probably the one peice not needed
With Ayanmo+2 out (and +3 being released in the future maybe, who knows) the Tiara is one of the least important pieces of the Bastok Volte set.

Ayanmo also has slightly more acc iir and DT, which Volte doesn't have. Which in turn has more Eva/Meva though.

Hands/Legs/Feet are still pretty much BiS for BRD, Body is an alternative to the elusive Ashera Harness and head, well I just discussed it.
It's not bad per se though.


Ramuh.Austar said: »
if you're willing to learn some python 3 i could help you make a brd simulation easily
Thank you Austar! I apreciate that, but I'm afraid it's beyond my skills really.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2020-01-14 02:21:08  
Aerison said: »
8 DEX or 3 quad attack on Linos for Rudras?
Whichever aug you see first.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2020-01-14 06:35:27  
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Thank you Austar! I apreciate that, but I'm afraid it's beyond my skills really.
majority of it is if and else statements. python 3 has some of the easiest to read syntax too, besides the self in front of variables here, everything else is pretty understandable probably:
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def shattersoul(self):
        ftp = 1.375 + self.fotia * (25 / 256)

        if self.utu:
            WSC = floor(self.dexterity * 0.1 + self.intelligence * 0.85)
        else:
            WSC = floor(self.intelligence * 0.85)

        base_damage = self.weapon_damage + self.fSTR + WSC

        hit = 2
        damage = 0

        if random() < self.qa_rate / 100:
            hit += 3
        elif random() < self.ta_rate / 100:
            hit += 2
        elif random() < self.da_rate / 100:
            hit += 1
        elif self.mythic_am3 and random() < 0.6:
            if random() < 1 / 3:
                hit += 2
            else:
                hit += 1

        if random() < self.qa_rate / 100:
            hit += 3
        elif random() < self.ta_rate / 100:
            hit += 2
        elif random() < self.da_rate / 100:
            hit += 1

        temp_damage = floor(self.swing(floor(base_damage * ftp))
                            * (1 + self.wsd / 100))
        damage += floor(temp_damage * (1 + self.shattersoul_bonus / 100))

        for hit in range(min(7, hit)):
            temp_damage = self.swing(base_damage)
            damage += floor(temp_damage * (1 + self.shattersoul_bonus / 100))

        return damage
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-01-14 07:12:33  
Uhm, I can understand a good part of what you posted Austar.
On average how many lines is a python script for one of your sims?
I could edit a python script with Notepad++ but after that wouldn't you need a VM to run that python code in the end?

I doubt I'd be able to write one from zero myself but maybe I could use a pre-existing one and heavily modify it to adapt it for BRD.
Maybe starting from a THF or DNC one since they share some properties (dual wield, dagger, most WS in common except the job-specific ones)
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By Ramuh.Austar 2020-01-14 07:22:24  
notepad++ is fine, i personally use visual studio code for everything besides C#.

you will still need to install python to run it though. as for the lines, it depends, interface takes up a lot and somethings like impetus stacks take up a lot of lines as well, since i check after every swing for both melee and ws.

something like bard wouldn't be nearly as long and less gear to compare with as well, but you do have to separate main and offhand stuff. but you could start with doing something like just calculating WS damage
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By Asura.Outlawbruce 2020-01-14 08:36:49  
Ohh I just read it wrong. Didnt realize he was asking for weaponskill lmao. So you spent a lot of time writing that for nothing lol. My bad
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-01-14 09:27:34  
Asura.Outlawbruce said: »
so you spent a lot of time writing that for nothing lol
Well, yes and no, but like Llewelyn ironically said, the difference between QA+3 and DEX+8 for Rudra's Storm is pretty close.
This seems to confirm the results I got a long time ago when I tested it with the gear and weapons available at the time.
They were pretty much producing irrelevant differences in average WS damage.

Now I'm not sure if all the gear upgrades we got since then makes that difference very noticeable but I doubt.
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By Aerison 2020-01-14 09:46:58  
Asura.Sechs said: »
Asura.Outlawbruce said: »
so you spent a lot of time writing that for nothing lol
Well, yes and no, but like Llewelyn ironically said, the difference between QA+3 and DEX+8 for Rudra's Storm is pretty close.
This seems to confirm the results I got a long time ago when I tested it with the gear and weapons available at the time.
They were pretty much producing irrelevant differences in average WS damage.

Now I'm not sure if all the gear upgrades we got since then makes that difference very noticeable but I doubt.

Well I have a qa3 on the linos so I'll just stick with that, spent enough getting wsd3. Thanks for the replies!
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