~First And Final Line Of Defense V2.0~

Martel could probably explain better, but Bulwarks base block rate pretty much makes this inferior to priwen which has better overall stats imo, DT is very easy to cap on pld cure pot is likely overcapped for most using sulv +1 for self cure SIRD is nice that it gives you more options but not necessary.

I just like to see options, having the ability to drop out 10% DT means swapping out defending ring in a set, or SIRD means I dont have to use a SIRD cape. All of these things can lead to different gear set optimization if the loss of block rate doesn't get me killed (which I highly doubt it would)

It likely won’t get you killed unless your healer is really terrible or the thing you are fighting has nasty hits, but from the standpoint of a smoother fight and better tp flow I would still wager Ochain will win.

I’m not trying to tell you that “you must do as I say or else”, just want to make sure you understand why shield selection has been a binary figure for so long and the current update does not seem to have changed that.

Previously, my understanding is that, it was not on the list because block rate was floored against anything that mattered. If you want to be picky I guess you would have layered it in after you had enmity, hp and dt capped

Priwen is best because 50meva. #MevaForeva #PldCanMevaToo

My reasoning is, if you are take zero dmg from 95% of hits and TP moves, u don't really care much about blocking. (hence why i feel the HP, extra defense, enmity, and annul is more useful for ME at high level content, especially stuff where I'm not engaged, and not everything is in front of me.)

#everythingissituational

It's about 31-33%~ish on ilvl 150 content before added skill, and block+ gear, with reprisal up, and the skill you get from jsut reprisal. Still untested on actual 150mobs, these are just numbers Martel and myself are getting. I used his block rate numbers with other shields, and sri to get 33%. The calculations were pulled from his 126 block rate test. He came up with 31% from his 129 based shield block tests. I'm thinking Onycophora Sandworm is a good mob to get a more accurate parse for block rates vs 150 lvl content.

Heyo, I heard there were some new gear and items for paladin, so Im updating the DPS spreadsheet with the new Demersel Degen augs and Pukulatmuj augs.

Which awkwardly include the "sword enhancement spell dmg" mods, those definitely will effect our Enlight dps wont they?

How does "Sword enhancement spell damage" interact with Enlights depreciation damage?

Does it apply after the base dmg, such that rather than stopping at "1", it stops at "1*SESD"?

IE if we have +200% SESD, our enlight will go down by 3 each hit instead of 1, and will bottom out at 3 dmg?

Im guessing so, in which case I think I can just add a new SESD column to the weapon chart and straight up multiply SESD by the "Enlight average damage" value, correct?

Edit: oh and... Pukulatmuj's "Sword Enhancement Spell dmg +11", thats 11 base dmg added on right, not 11% more dmg?

So super quickly stubbing in:

"SESD = 100% + If demersel degen equipped 50%, if Pukulatmuj 150%"

"SESD+ = If Pukulatmuj 11, else 0"

"Enlight dps = (<old enlight dps> + SESD+) * SESD"

Which Im... pretty sure is correct for the formula.

Anywho, doing that, Pukulatmuj's dps is actually quite high, much higher than anticipated. Its only like 10 dps short of Excalibur just doing the standard savage blade spam.

Fascinating.

Ugh. Not being able to post from work is really annoying.

I thought I'd post the numbers/math for the Srivatsa block rates vs 150 that I PM'd to Bahamut.Lexouritis this morinng. I see he already posted the final value, but I'll go ahead and put al the math here.


Ugh, I feel like there's probably a lot of stuff I missed while in the abyss(work). I'll try to go back through the back log, but time at home is also normally my time to actually play the game. <,<

Aight, updated a chunk of the DPS spreadsheet with some of the new gear, the new swords, etc.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/108sId92yPaJVXxyBYyl5ZFYlnz-_bRcvR8XdTUOf9Ww/edit?usp=sharing

With this, I guess Aegis still dont get past the 5% floor rate?

On 150 mobs? of course not.

To run through the same process as the rest...

Base block rate on 139 mob.... -5.4%. Yes, we're starting out negative. This value was gathered by parsing a 10.6% block rate on 139 mobs while wearing +16 in blockPlus gear.(the sample size on this test was small so take it with a grain of salt. could be +/- a few %) So 10.6-16= -5.4.

Going to side track slightly here and do the reprisal up blockrate on 139 mobs. 440skill*0.15=66. 66*.215=14.19 gain.

-5.4+14.19=8.79. 8.79*1.5=13.185% block rate on 139 mobs. Weee, we're off the block floor. But that's just on 139 mobs. So, moving along.

Taking our 8.79 from earlier(post reprisal skill, but pre reprisal mod, value) then hit it with 11 mob levels worth of block rate reduction. 8.79-19.5= -7.71

In the case that we are floored or below the floor, you apply the floor and then multiply by reprisal mod.

So -7.71 becomes 5%, then 5*1.5=7.5%

So Aegis with reprisal on 150 mobs would be 7.5% block rate.

Ilvl Aegis prz!

hell yeah !! Aegis ilvl 119 (with +129 skill) !




that's also work for Ochain and brd instruments still level 99 since a while........

Beside the joke post above, was there a reason behind keeping Shields to lvl 99?

Something about putting skill on those 2 shields breakimg the balance of paladin.


Meanwhile 27~85% parry regardless of weapon equipped and enemy level faced is perfectly reasonable

They are too lazy to change them…

The thing is that 80% parry is only with battatuya and outside of that you cannot get higher than 40ish% on anything, shield skill can literally proc 100% on a decent amount of content and with ochain and palisade I think even highest content is capped.

The only thing with run and parry with battatuya is that it’s like aegis with 80% block while being a great DD, which is not really fair. Maybe not “Ilvl” aegis but possibly an augment system within dyna D to add some amount of shield skill so that it’s not super OP but at least brings it to a middle ground on blocking.

True but parry avoids all the damage, and then turms was added to add insult to injury. Then you throw Battuta in the mix and you can face tank 10 monks using hundred fists without needing cure XD. Imagine if a block returned 100 hp

I would like to see shield blocks getting an enmity effect like Issekigan does for ninja parrys.

I guarantee you that if they added ilvl Ochain, there will be an influx of demand for HMPs and Riftdross. It might even make Riftdross more valuable than Riftcinder....

PLD already doesn't really have any issue surviving physical damage. ilvl ultimate shields would be nice but they wouldn't make PLD more desirable than RUN so I don't know that it would really affect pricing much.

If you want to spike HMP and Dross price, ilevel the harp.

Yup big spikes as the dozens of us rush to upgrade our ochains. Then it goes back to normal. There are dozens of us career plds left DOZENS!

Harp needs to be 99 for 4 song already and is cinders. So wouldn't change much except the spike in w/e they decide to use to 119 it

I really don't know why I always forget that.

5 songs no CC {Yes, please}

So a little while ago i tested out one of my block sets on schah and adds. I don't have parse results since I'm vanilla, but using Ochain, with reprisal up, I blocked 19 hits in a row, before i swapped back to aegis because they got inteference happy.

I mathed this set out to 102% block rate (with reprisal up) using known available data but my math isn't a strong suit. It may be wrong.

I tried testing it out on onyco but that thing got murdered so hard that hate capped really quickly for everyone, so I just started DDing that instead.

Tl;dr Ochain can easily cap block rate on lvl 150, as far as i can tell, without sacrificing much in terms of DT, enmity, and the use of palisade.

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Easy possible swaps are souveran body, and legs. (more enmity and DT at a sacrifice of a decent chunk of defense but meh defense)

Edit:Block Set - 38% DT, 45% BDT, 45% MDT, 68% PDT ~1675 defense, Shield Skill +46 before Reprisal bonus, 3041 HP (hume), +71 (91) enmity. Should net 102% block rate vs Ilvl 150??!! (Path C head, D hands, Cape Vit/acc+attack/Enmity, Block Rate +5)

While math isn't my strong point when it comes to this either, but if I went out as lv1 war and hit a lvl 150 on first try and then disengaged I could claim I had 100% acc on lvl 150.
You need a huge sample to get accurate numbers.
What if you suddenly didn't block the next 10 if you hadn't switched shields?

True that, was in the middle of an Aeonic merc run so i could n't really everyone hey, go afk while i let these things beat on me for 10mins :P

It's just what i noticed that nothing got through

I ran the numbers for this set and got 101.465% for the block rate value. So while your sample size doesn't tell us much, I do think you were probably capped or really, really close.

I like being able to cap block rate on 150 mobs. lol.

I really would like to get some actual test samples to confirm these predicted block rates, but well... It would be so nice if there were some level 150 apex mobs for me to test on. NMs tend to be incredibly obnoxious to test mobs, for various reasons.

I figured as much, and exactly, such a PITA to test <.>

Sorry if this has been asked multiples times, but what would be the the best tanking sword not including Burt?