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By Lye 2015-03-12 11:10:27  
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UPDATE: the petition(to prosecute the senators under the logan act) has now surpassed 100,000 signatures, which means the White House will have to respond to it.

100k signatures in 3 days. Anyone want to wager it hits 1,000,000 before the end of March?

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EDIT: WOW! Since this morning (when I saw the 100k signatures) it has hit 219,046!!!!! It more than doubled in the 12 hours I was at work!!
And yet, no petition on that website to prosecute Clinton for her breach of security and lack of record keeping for not backing up and releasing her official governmental emails from her private email address.
Go start one then.
They don't have electricity, let alone internet connections, in those parts yet. Otherwise I'm sure he would.
Starting a petition in siberia would yield more results.

Something tells me some of the signers of that petition would probably be doing it through AOL.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 11:13:49  
Lye said: »
maldini said: »
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maldini said: »
UPDATE: the petition(to prosecute the senators under the logan act) has now surpassed 100,000 signatures, which means the White House will have to respond to it.

100k signatures in 3 days. Anyone want to wager it hits 1,000,000 before the end of March?

Source


EDIT: WOW! Since this morning (when I saw the 100k signatures) it has hit 219,046!!!!! It more than doubled in the 12 hours I was at work!!
And yet, no petition on that website to prosecute Clinton for her breach of security and lack of record keeping for not backing up and releasing her official governmental emails from her private email address.
Go start one then.
They don't have electricity, let alone internet connections, in those parts yet. Otherwise I'm sure he would.
Starting a petition in siberia would yield more results.

Something tells me some of the signers of that petition would probably be doing it through AOL.

Or at least refer to it as "the internets".
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 11:52:39  
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As for John McCain, he's borderline terrorist wannabe, but definitely a supporter of terrorists aboard. As for a Tea Party guy, no.

He definitely needs to go.

I voted for McCain in AZ and I've always thought he was too mired in party politics to be truly effective, but he was at least a voice of reason. He did the song and dance for the cameras, but when push came to shove, he had the public's best interest in mind. He may have been a maverick at some point, but now he's just an irrelevant senile puppet. It's time to hang up your hat, john.
Like 10 years ago or so he was ok I guess, but yeah.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 12:25:50  
As for the petition, my guess, the White House will not acknowledge it until after the elections in Israeli.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-12 13:08:49  
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We're doing something ableit misguided, inneffective, and insolent! Do you have teenage kids? Vote for us because we're just like them!

The votes of the young people are the reason we have a misguided, ineffective, and insolent president.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 13:14:13  
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Lye said: »
We're doing something ableit misguided, inneffective, and insolent! Do you have teenage kids? Vote for us because we're just like them!

The votes of the young people are the reason we have a misguided, ineffective, and insolent president.

You mean someone other than affluent old white guys voting results in representative democracy? Conservatives voting along party lines based solely on social issues is no different than liberals voting along party lines based solely on social issues.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-12 13:15:33  
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Go start one then.
No, I don't want to waste time on a petition that will be ignored by the white house.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-12 13:15:55  
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We're doing something ableit misguided, inneffective, and insolent! Do you have teenage kids? Vote for us because we're just like them!
The votes of the young people are the reason we have a misguided, ineffective, and insolent president.
You mean someone other than affluent old white guys voting results in representative democracy? Conservatives voting along party lines based solely on social issues is no different than liberals voting along party lines based solely on social issues.

Aaaaaaaand you missed the point.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-12 13:18:42  
Liberals when Democrats do something stupid:
"Man, I can't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this! Yeah, it was a little sketchy, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehole here, people."

Liberals when Republicans do something stupid:
"Treason! TRRRRRRREEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 13:18:44  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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We're doing something ableit misguided, inneffective, and insolent! Do you have teenage kids? Vote for us because we're just like them!
The votes of the young people are the reason we have a misguided, ineffective, and insolent president.
You mean someone other than affluent old white guys voting results in representative democracy? Conservatives voting along party lines based solely on social issues is no different than liberals voting along party lines based solely on social issues.

Aaaaaaaand you missed the point.

Care to break it down, then?

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Liberals when a Democrats do something stupid:
"Man, I can't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this! Yeah, it was a little sketchy, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehole here, people."

Liberals when Republicans do something stupid:
"Treason! TRRRRRRREEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"

Right, and conservatives were up in arms about Bush's war crimes...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-12 13:28:28  
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Care to break it down, then?
No, because it was obvious.
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Right, and conservatives were up in arms about Bush's war crimes...
So, you agree with me, but you feel the need to make it a "same thing both sides" argument. Have fun with that. While you're at it, give a run-down of why the left stopped caring about the deaths in the Middle East once Obama took over.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-12 13:29:43  
As if that can't be applied to conservatives, Rav. I mean, really.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-12 13:33:31  
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As if that can't be applied to conservatives, Rav. I mean, really.

Part of what I was trying to do was bait you guys into pulling the same crap that you accuse me of occasionally. "Same thing both sides" is totally cool when the shoe is on the other foot, I guess. It worked, so that's about all I have to say on the matter.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 13:38:17  
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Care to break it down, then?
No, because it was obvious.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Right, and conservatives were up in arms about Bush's war crimes...
So, you agree with me, but you feel the need to make it a "same thing both sides" argument. Have fun with that. While you're at it, give a run-down of why the left stopped caring about the deaths in the Middle East once Obama took over.

I criticize partisan politics on both sides. I can't stand the idea of people expressing support exclusively for one collective viewpoint in every situation. I know plenty of liberals who are staunch supporters of gun rights and I know a metric ton of conservatives who don't give a rip about abortion or same-sex marriage. Anyone who aligns with every stance a party puts forth is either drinking the kool-aid or lying.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-12 13:38:42  
Well, this letter goes beyond stupid. Willfully trying to sabotage peace talks, which if they were to fail, could lead to real consequences up to and including war with Iran, is far more serious than whatever "scandal" the GOP is crying about on any given day. And this guy keeps going out there and repeating that it is indeed his goal to sabotage the talks. All he has succeeded in doing is fracturing his own party and risking the defeat of a bill that would actually give Congress a say. But yeah, email scandal.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 13:41:21  
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Well, this letter goes beyond stupid. Willfully trying to sabotage peace talks, which if they were to fail, could lead to real consequences up to and including war with Iran, is far more serious than whatever "scandal" the GOP is crying about on any given day. And this guy keeps going out there and repeating that it is indeed his goal to sabotage the talks. All he has succeeded in doing is fracturing his own party and risking the defeat of a bill that would actually give Congress a say. But yeah, email scandal.

Well, when it comes to culpability, a large factor is usually harm. I'd imagine if defamation were more applicable to public figures, you'd see some pushback on the fake scandals. As it sits, there could be real harm to the negotiations and the country.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-12 13:47:26  
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Liberals when Democrats do something stupid:
"Man, I can't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this! Yeah, it was a little sketchy, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehole here, people."

Liberals when Republicans do something stupid:
"Treason! TRRRRRRREEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"
I don't know how you can say this with a straight face when Republicans do the same exact thing lol.

I'm not saying Democrats don't do the same thing but Republicans are no better in this regard and you're really just criticizing your own as well.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-12 13:48:22  
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Liberals when Democrats do something stupid: "Man, I can't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this! Yeah, it was a little sketchy, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehole here, people." Liberals when Republicans do something stupid: "Treason! TRRRRRRREEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"
I don't know how you can say this with a straight face when Republicans do the same exact thing lol. I'm not saying Democrats don't do the same thing but Republicans are no better in this regard and you're really just criticizing your own as well.

Apparently you missed what I posted afterwards....
But hey, it reinforces my point even further.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-12 13:55:02  
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Liberals when Democrats do something stupid: "Man, I can't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this! Yeah, it was a little sketchy, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehole here, people." Liberals when Republicans do something stupid: "Treason! TRRRRRRREEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"
I don't know how you can say this with a straight face when Republicans do the same exact thing lol. I'm not saying Democrats don't do the same thing but Republicans are no better in this regard and you're really just criticizing your own as well.

Apparently you missed what I posted afterwards....
I read it after I posted that.

It doesnt really change anything. There will always be people blind to either side and only for their own and others who try to look at it objectively.

Is this supposed to stop people from disagreeing or voicing that?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-12 13:58:02  
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I want to know why no one said anything about Clinton using her personal email until right now. I mean... she's been in contact with both democrats and republicans via email during her time as secretary of state so they all knew about it. Why did no one on either side make a stink about it until right now?

Oh yeah... no one was worried about it until the presidential election started coming around the bend.

Nobody made a fuss about it because it was expected that she turn over her personal emails regarding government business to the State Department for record keeping. Which she never did.

AP was the one who sued under Freedom of Information regulations.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-12 13:58:14  
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I read it after I posted that.
It doesnt really change anything. There will always be people blind to either side and only for their own and others who try to look at it objectively.
Is this supposed to stop people from disagreeing or voicing that?

Nope. I was just looking for ammo for the next time I make a similar argument and get resistance. I don't mind one-sidedness so much. Hypocrisy, on the other hand....
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-03-12 14:07:17  
All this bickering when Chaos posted an article that brings a very hard hitting point.

This letter is now evidence in the supreme leader of Iran's mind to not take any American act of diplomacy seriously now.

Regardless of partisan lines this letter was one of the stupidest moves. All it did was serve to undermines the integrity and authority for this and future US administrations interactions with/in Iran and quite possibly the majority of nations in the Middle East.


So bravo to the idiot from Arkansas and his 47 friends who let that genie out the bottle.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 14:10:46  
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All this bickering when Chaos posted an article that brings a very hard hitting point.

This letter is now evidence in the supreme leader of Iran's mind to not take any American act of diplomacy seriously now.

Regardless of partisan lines this letter was one of the stupidest moves. All it did was serve to undermines the integrity and authority for this and future US administrations interactions with/in Iran and quite possibly the majority of nations in the Middle East.


So bravo to the idiot from Arkansas and his 47 friends who let that genie out the bottle.
I way say Cotton is definitely a moron.

However, this is a continuing trend that has been going on for awhile now and for it to reach this kind of magnitude, partisan bickering is not the solution, only a catalyst.
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By fonewear 2015-03-12 14:11:27  
Partisan bickering in Congress never !
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By Lye 2015-03-12 14:12:24  
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We're doing something ableit misguided, inneffective, and insolent! Do you have teenage kids? Vote for us because we're just like them!

The votes of the young people are the reason we have a misguided, ineffective, and insolent president.

Hate to break your bubble but it's collectively agreed that the "youth vote" didn't show for Obama in 2012 the way it did in 2008.

http://www.civicyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/CIRCLE_2013FS_outhVoting2012FINAL.pdf
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Using the CPS turnout data and National Election Pools exit poll statistics,
CIRCLE estimates that approximately 14.8 million voters under 30 cast their votes for Barack Obama in2008. Only about 12.3 million young voters chose Obama in 2012—a drop of close to 2.4 million votes.
Obama received about 3.7 million fewer total votes from all age groups in 2012 than he had in 2008.

I'd like to see your justification for Obama being insolent. Please elaborate!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 14:12:40  
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Partisan bickering in Congress never !
It's part of the process, but historically a comprise always comes to light. Compromises seem to come by less and less now.
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By fonewear 2015-03-12 14:13:20  
I'll comprise with you soon as I get what I want !
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-12 14:14:21  
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I read it after I posted that.
It doesnt really change anything. There will always be people blind to either side and only for their own and others who try to look at it objectively.
Is this supposed to stop people from disagreeing or voicing that?

Nope. I was just looking for ammo for the next time I make a similar argument and get resistance. I don't mind one-sidedness so much. Hypocrisy, on the other hand....
Stock up then. Hypocrisy is pretty abundant here on both sides of the coin.
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