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Treason and Congress letter to Iran - No one undermines the US like the Republicans
By maldini 2015-03-10 12:56:44
Ridiculous - Republicans send Iran a letter that undermines and contradicts their own president. Perhaps the severest blow to American international standing since ever?
EDIT: Below is the NYT's article on the subject. I chose the NYT despite the fact that I think they went soft on the issue to try and be objective.
Quote: WASHINGTON — The fractious debate over a possible nuclear deal with Iran escalated on Monday as 47 Republican senators warned Iran about making an agreement with President Obama, and the White House accused them of undercutting foreign policy.
In a rare direct congressional intervention into diplomatic negotiations, the Republicans signed an open letter addressed to “leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran” declaring that any agreement without legislative approval could be reversed by the next president “with the stroke of a pen.”
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The letter appeared aimed at unraveling a framework agreement even as negotiators grew close to reaching it. Mr. Obama, working with leaders of five other world powers, argues that the pact would be the best way to keep Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb. But critics from both parties say that such a deal would be a dangerous charade that would leave Iran with the opportunity to eventually build weapons that could be used against Israel or other foes.
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Document: Letter From Senate Republicans to the Leaders of Iran
While the possible agreement has drawn bipartisan criticism, the letter, signed only by Republicans, underscored the increasingly party-line flavor of the clash. Just last week, the Republican House speaker, John A. Boehner, gave Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel the platform of a joint meeting of Congress to denounce the developing deal, and Senate Republicans briefly tried to advance legislation aimed at forcing Mr. Obama to submit it to Congress, alienating Democratic allies.
The letter came as Secretary of State John Kerry’s office announced that he would return to Switzerland on Sunday in hopes of completing the framework agreement before an end-of-March deadline. Under the terms being discussed, Iran would pare back its nuclear program enough so that it would be unable to produce enough fuel for a bomb in less than a year if it tried to break out of the agreement. The pact would last at least 10 years; in exchange the world powers would lift sanctions.
Whether the Republican letter might undercut Iran’s willingness to strike a deal was not clear. Iran reacted with scorn. “In our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy,” Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister, said in a statement. “It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history.”
A senior American official said the letter probably would not stop an agreement from being reached, but could make it harder to blame Iran if the talks fail. “The problem is if there is not an agreement, the perception of who is at fault is critically important to our ability to maintain pressure, and this type of thing would likely be used by the Iranians in that scenario,” said the official, who spoke anonymously to discuss the negotiations.
The White House and congressional Democrats expressed outrage, calling the letter an unprecedented violation of the tradition of leaving politics at the water’s edge. Republicans said that by styling it as an “open letter,” it was akin to a statement, not an overt intervention in the talks.
“It’s somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran,” Mr. Obama told reporters. “It’s an unusual coalition.”
Other Democrats were sharper. Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, called it “just the latest in an ongoing strategy, a partisan strategy, to undermine the president’s ability to conduct foreign policy.” Senator Harry M. Reid of Nevada, the Democratic minority leader, said the “Republicans are undermining our commander in chief while empowering the ayatollahs.”
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The Nuclear Talks With Iran, Explained
What the United States and Iran want out of discussions over Iran’s nuclear development.
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The letter, drafted by Senator Tom Cotton, a freshman from Arkansas, and signed by all but seven members of the Senate Republican majority, warned Iran that a deal with Mr. Obama might not stick. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen, and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time,” said the letter, whose existence was reported earlier by Bloomberg News.
Mr. Cotton said he drafted the letter because Iran’s leaders might not understand America’s constitutional system. He also said the terms of the emerging deal were dangerous because they would not be permanent and would leave Iran with nuclear infrastructure. He noted that four Republican senators who may run for president signed his letter and added that he tried without success to get Democrats to sign.
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Eugene Gorrin 27 minutes ago
Disgraceful.The Republican/Tea Party has made no secret of its desire to sabotage negotiations over Iran's nuclear capabilities. That was...
Sonny Pitchumani 28 minutes ago
As usual, many liberal commenters in this forum are happy to throw around the word TREASON and to suggest that the Senators who sent the...
horatio fisk 28 minutes ago
It is highly amusing that the GOP does not realize that no one in this country takes them seriously so why should anyone in Iran. Well you...
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“The only thing unprecedented is an American president negotiating a nuclear deal with the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism without submitting it to Congress,” he said on CNN.
The letter revived an old debate about what role Congress should have in diplomacy.
Jim Wright, the Democratic House speaker during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, was accused of interfering when he met with opposing leaders in Nicaragua’s contra war. Three House Democrats went to Iraq in 2002 before President George W. Bush’s invasion to try to head off war. And Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, went to Syria in 2007 to meet with President Bashar al-Assad against the wishes of the Bush administration, which was trying to isolate him.
An agreement with Iran would not require immediate congressional action because Mr. Obama has the power to lift sanctions he imposed under his executive authority and to suspend others imposed by Congress. But permanently lifting those imposed by Congress, as Iran has sought, would eventually require a vote.
Rather than wait, Republicans, joined by several Democrats, drafted legislation aimed at forcing Mr. Obama to submit the agreement to Congress. But when Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican majority leader, moved to advance that legislation for a vote, Democrats who support it balked at taking action before the talks with Iran concluded. Mr. McConnell backed off, but the bill may be revived if a deal is reached.
Among the Republicans who declined to sign Mr. Cotton’s letter was Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the Foreign Relations Committee chairman, who has been working with Democrats on Iran legislation. “We’ve got a bipartisan effort that’s underway that has a chance of being successful, and while I understand all kinds of people want to weigh in,” he said, he concluded that it would not “be helpful in that effort for me to be involved in it.”
Some Democrats, like Representative Brad Sherman of California, said the letter and other moves risked making it a party-line issue, in which case it would be impossible to muster a two-thirds vote to override a presidential veto. “The number of Democrats not willing to follow the president’s lead is reduced when it becomes a personal or political issue,” he said.
Correction: March 9, 2015
A previous version of this article misstated the given name of the senator who drafted the letter from American lawmakers to Iranian leaders. He is Tom Cotton, not Tim Cotton. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/asia/white-house-faults-gop-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders.html?_r=0
The Republicans first undermine their democratically elected president AND Nation by inviting a foreign leader to address them in a televised event, effectively turning the American people's house of representatives into a political brothel.
They then openly contradict the commander in chief of the nation and more or less say the US presidency is a lame duck office not worthy of taking seriously.
At best, the American political system is the greatest threat to American foreign policy.
At worst, America is so deeply entrenched in racism - made apparent by how the election of a black american has polarized the country's population - that its foreign policy be damned.
Republicans might as well have just said "Burn this house down".
I can't wait to see how the GOP goons on this forum try to deflect from the issue and/or demonstrate just how HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE their demographic is.
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By Siren.Sieha 2015-03-10 13:10:49
You didnt quote the article or summarize it. This is why we cant have nice things.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:11:54
Like I asked Ramy when he accused Republicans of treason:
Do you think Obama is also guilty of treason?
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-10 13:13:42
yes, because increasing Iran's nuclear power is good foreign policy /rollseyes.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-10 13:16:38
Here comes the deflection.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:18:21
Not my point.
Every single person who accused the Republicans in Congress of treason because their letter "undermined the President's Power in foreign negotiations" and "overstep of powers" seem to forget all of Obama's overreaches in his executive orders, especially the one over immigration that was later struck down by a Federal Judge.
To say that one party is treasonous while the other isn't is either lying to oneself for partisan politics, or doesn't understand the American political system.
In maldini's case, I'm guessing the later, since he noted:
At best, the American political system is the greatest threat to American foreign policy.
At worst, America is so deeply entrenched in racism - made apparent by how the election of a black american has polarized the country's population - that its foreign policy be damned. Of which he is completely wrong.
By maldini 2015-03-10 13:18:54
yes, because increasing Iran's nuclear power is good foreign policy /rollseyes.
First detached-from-reality and ill-informed GOPER pops.
/ws Tachi-STFU
First - what nuclear power? You said "Increase".. they don't have Nuclear power. That's what all the negotiations YOUR Executive branch is leading is about.
Second - Official CIA and Mossad reports as well as the international nuclear agency concluded that Iran is NOT after nuclear military capability.
How stupid does one have to be to be a republican. Seriously it seems like the right are so detached from reality that they are free of thought. What a nice and pleasant existence that must be - to just spurt out whatever emotion it is you're feeling at the time and never hold yourself accountable or reflect critically on what it is you actually think. Are they even self-aware? I'm having serious doubts at this point.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:19:08
But if you are going to accuse anyone of treason, name the law that person broke.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-10 13:21:52
To say that one party is treasonous while the other isn't is either lying to oneself for partisan politics, or doesn't understand the American political system I don't think this is the point though.
If someone does something wrong, to say "but the other did it too" is not a good excuse and it does not exempt from faults.
Now I have no idea what Obama did or didn't, nor do I care, so carry on.
By maldini 2015-03-10 13:27:38
Every republican that tries to squirm his way out of this is either an idiot, ignorant or a traitor.
They're informed now so they can't be ignorant.
That just leaves idiocy and treachery. Lets see where the pieces fall as the posts come in.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:29:01
To say that one party is treasonous while the other isn't is either lying to oneself for partisan politics, or doesn't understand the American political system I don't think this is the point though.
If someone does something wrong, to say "but the other did it too" is not a good excuse and it does not exempt from faults.
Now I have no idea what Obama did or didn't, nor do I care, so carry on. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the thread and argument at hand.
Either they are both traitors of the state, or they aren't. But in reality, anyone who states that either one of them are traitors do not understand politics and federal law.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:29:22
Every republican that tries to squirm his way out of this is either an idiot, ignorant or a traitor.
They're informed now so they can't be ignorant.
That just leaves idiocy and treachery. Lets see where the pieces fall as the posts come in.
But if you are going to accuse anyone of treason, name the law that person broke.
By fonewear 2015-03-10 13:35:10
Treason what is this 1885 !
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-10 13:36:53
By fonewear 2015-03-10 13:37:46
Not from Huff Post I can't trust the NY Times !
By maldini 2015-03-10 13:43:58
Obama
Quote: "I think it is somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran. It is an unusual coalition. I think what we’re going to focus on is actually seeing whether we can get a deal or not. And once we do, then we’ll — if we do, then we’ll make the case to the American people, and I’m confident we’ll be able to implement it.”
That is pretty much a confirmation that the Logan Act is on the table and its a warning to GOP.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-10 13:46:04
I think it's pretty obvious that, no matter what is said in this thread, maldini will go the "flower-head" approach and ignore every single dissenting post made here.
By fonewear 2015-03-10 13:47:16
According to the *** Act of 1787: Yes !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 13:49:17
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By maldini 2015-03-10 13:57:41
Quoting a Soviet era source to demonstrate the dems are just as bad as the republicans.. shouldn't have expected much else.
A file right out of a KGB report.. wow.. must be believed and taken as anything else other than disinformation and counter espionage.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 14:01:50
I see the tinfoil hat must be glued on your head pretty strongly.
By maldini 2015-03-10 14:04:43
I see the tinfoil hat must be glued on your head pretty strongly.
There's no theory or conspiracy here other than what you posted.
You quoted Soviet era KGB documents as proof that a senator from your country was conspiring with the enemy.
If you think me poking fun at the irony of that warrants a tinfoil hat attempt to deflect, well..then that is ironic
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-10 14:11:50
Every republican that tries to squirm his way out of this is either an idiot, ignorant or a traitor.
They're informed now so they can't be ignorant.
That just leaves idiocy and treachery. Lets see where the pieces fall as the posts come in.
I'll take treachery!
That's a good word.
I like how everyone is/acts surprised when we do something stupid and/or evil...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 14:13:25
I see the tinfoil hat must be glued on your head pretty strongly.
There's no theory or conspiracy here other than what you posted.
You quoted Soviet era KGB documents as proof that a senator from your country was conspiring with the enemy.
If you think me poking fun at the irony of that warrants a tinfoil hat attempt to deflect, well..then that is ironic
You immediately dismissed it, assuredly because you're good little a partisan soldier. I mean you'd have to be to buy the media line that the republican's have committed treason by insisting that they offer their own opinions to Iran regarding the US-Iran relationship.
By Artemicion 2015-03-10 14:14:32
Definitely not treason, but definitely a violation of The Logan Act. Hopefully there'll be some accountability, but considering how many participated and their bureaucratic positions, nothing will likely happen.
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By Siren.Sieha 2015-03-10 14:18:18
According to the *** Act of 1787: Yes !
only 10 years after the Illuminati was formed. Thats irony.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-10 14:18:30
HuffPo: Cotton on the record in wanting talks to fail
Its definitely a pathetic attempt of sabotage, and its going to have the 46 other idiots that signed on squirming for a long time. Credit the 7 Republicans that wanted nothing to do with it for standing up for themselves. Cotton should definitely be censored, and the pressure is going to be unbearable for McConnell, who already folded on DHS funding. Should be great entertainment watching it play out, oh and the Iran negotiations will continue as Congress continues to sit on the sidelines, just like every Congress before it.
Whats even more revealing is the GOP is just imploding. So much for showing America they are capable of governing effectively. Its clear that the person with the most votes in the House is Nancy Pelosi, as the radical right is just done with Boehner (right after re-electing him to a 3rd term). McConnell is waking up to the cold reality (that I accurately pointed out in November) that he can't do anything without Harry Reid's permission. He tried to fast track the Iran bill before it even went to committee, didn't happen. Now its going to be incredibly hard to rally Democrat support after Cotton's snafu.
Oh btw, debt ceiling expires in 5 days. Whats the plan Congress? Blame Obama?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-10 14:18:47
As if congress isn't authorized to send this letter to the government of Iran?
Ridiculous - Republicans send Iran a letter that undermines and contradicts their own president. Perhaps the severest blow to American international standing since ever?
EDIT: Below is the NYT's article on the subject. I chose the NYT despite the fact that I think they went soft on the issue to try and be objective.
Quote: WASHINGTON — The fractious debate over a possible nuclear deal with Iran escalated on Monday as 47 Republican senators warned Iran about making an agreement with President Obama, and the White House accused them of undercutting foreign policy.
In a rare direct congressional intervention into diplomatic negotiations, the Republicans signed an open letter addressed to “leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran” declaring that any agreement without legislative approval could be reversed by the next president “with the stroke of a pen.”
Continue reading the main story
RELATED COVERAGE
Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Tests Whether It Is SeriousMARCH 8, 2015
After Talks, Nuclear Deal on Iran Is Seen as CloseMARCH 7, 2015
Netanyahu Speech Has Eager Audience in IranMARCH 3, 2015
The letter appeared aimed at unraveling a framework agreement even as negotiators grew close to reaching it. Mr. Obama, working with leaders of five other world powers, argues that the pact would be the best way to keep Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb. But critics from both parties say that such a deal would be a dangerous charade that would leave Iran with the opportunity to eventually build weapons that could be used against Israel or other foes.
Continue reading the main story
Document: Letter From Senate Republicans to the Leaders of Iran
While the possible agreement has drawn bipartisan criticism, the letter, signed only by Republicans, underscored the increasingly party-line flavor of the clash. Just last week, the Republican House speaker, John A. Boehner, gave Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel the platform of a joint meeting of Congress to denounce the developing deal, and Senate Republicans briefly tried to advance legislation aimed at forcing Mr. Obama to submit it to Congress, alienating Democratic allies.
The letter came as Secretary of State John Kerry’s office announced that he would return to Switzerland on Sunday in hopes of completing the framework agreement before an end-of-March deadline. Under the terms being discussed, Iran would pare back its nuclear program enough so that it would be unable to produce enough fuel for a bomb in less than a year if it tried to break out of the agreement. The pact would last at least 10 years; in exchange the world powers would lift sanctions.
Whether the Republican letter might undercut Iran’s willingness to strike a deal was not clear. Iran reacted with scorn. “In our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy,” Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister, said in a statement. “It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history.”
A senior American official said the letter probably would not stop an agreement from being reached, but could make it harder to blame Iran if the talks fail. “The problem is if there is not an agreement, the perception of who is at fault is critically important to our ability to maintain pressure, and this type of thing would likely be used by the Iranians in that scenario,” said the official, who spoke anonymously to discuss the negotiations.
The White House and congressional Democrats expressed outrage, calling the letter an unprecedented violation of the tradition of leaving politics at the water’s edge. Republicans said that by styling it as an “open letter,” it was akin to a statement, not an overt intervention in the talks.
“It’s somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran,” Mr. Obama told reporters. “It’s an unusual coalition.”
Other Democrats were sharper. Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, called it “just the latest in an ongoing strategy, a partisan strategy, to undermine the president’s ability to conduct foreign policy.” Senator Harry M. Reid of Nevada, the Democratic minority leader, said the “Republicans are undermining our commander in chief while empowering the ayatollahs.”
Continue reading the main story
GRAPHIC
The Nuclear Talks With Iran, Explained
What the United States and Iran want out of discussions over Iran’s nuclear development.
OPEN GRAPHIC
The letter, drafted by Senator Tom Cotton, a freshman from Arkansas, and signed by all but seven members of the Senate Republican majority, warned Iran that a deal with Mr. Obama might not stick. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen, and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time,” said the letter, whose existence was reported earlier by Bloomberg News.
Mr. Cotton said he drafted the letter because Iran’s leaders might not understand America’s constitutional system. He also said the terms of the emerging deal were dangerous because they would not be permanent and would leave Iran with nuclear infrastructure. He noted that four Republican senators who may run for president signed his letter and added that he tried without success to get Democrats to sign.
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RECENT COMMENTS
Eugene Gorrin 27 minutes ago
Disgraceful.The Republican/Tea Party has made no secret of its desire to sabotage negotiations over Iran's nuclear capabilities. That was...
Sonny Pitchumani 28 minutes ago
As usual, many liberal commenters in this forum are happy to throw around the word TREASON and to suggest that the Senators who sent the...
horatio fisk 28 minutes ago
It is highly amusing that the GOP does not realize that no one in this country takes them seriously so why should anyone in Iran. Well you...
SEE ALL COMMENTS
“The only thing unprecedented is an American president negotiating a nuclear deal with the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism without submitting it to Congress,” he said on CNN.
The letter revived an old debate about what role Congress should have in diplomacy.
Jim Wright, the Democratic House speaker during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, was accused of interfering when he met with opposing leaders in Nicaragua’s contra war. Three House Democrats went to Iraq in 2002 before President George W. Bush’s invasion to try to head off war. And Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, went to Syria in 2007 to meet with President Bashar al-Assad against the wishes of the Bush administration, which was trying to isolate him.
An agreement with Iran would not require immediate congressional action because Mr. Obama has the power to lift sanctions he imposed under his executive authority and to suspend others imposed by Congress. But permanently lifting those imposed by Congress, as Iran has sought, would eventually require a vote.
Rather than wait, Republicans, joined by several Democrats, drafted legislation aimed at forcing Mr. Obama to submit the agreement to Congress. But when Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican majority leader, moved to advance that legislation for a vote, Democrats who support it balked at taking action before the talks with Iran concluded. Mr. McConnell backed off, but the bill may be revived if a deal is reached.
Among the Republicans who declined to sign Mr. Cotton’s letter was Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the Foreign Relations Committee chairman, who has been working with Democrats on Iran legislation. “We’ve got a bipartisan effort that’s underway that has a chance of being successful, and while I understand all kinds of people want to weigh in,” he said, he concluded that it would not “be helpful in that effort for me to be involved in it.”
Some Democrats, like Representative Brad Sherman of California, said the letter and other moves risked making it a party-line issue, in which case it would be impossible to muster a two-thirds vote to override a presidential veto. “The number of Democrats not willing to follow the president’s lead is reduced when it becomes a personal or political issue,” he said.
Correction: March 9, 2015
A previous version of this article misstated the given name of the senator who drafted the letter from American lawmakers to Iranian leaders. He is Tom Cotton, not Tim Cotton. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/asia/white-house-faults-gop-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders.html?_r=0
The Republicans first undermine their democratically elected president AND Nation by inviting a foreign leader to address them in a televised event, effectively turning the American people's house of representatives into a political brothel.
They then openly contradict the commander in chief of the nation and more or less say the US presidency is a lame duck office not worthy of taking seriously.
At best, the American political system is the greatest threat to American foreign policy.
At worst, America is so deeply entrenched in racism - made apparent by how the election of a black american has polarized the country's population - that its foreign policy be damned.
Republicans might as well have just said "Burn this house down".
I can't wait to see how the GOP goons on this forum try to deflect from the issue and/or demonstrate just how retarded their demographic is.
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