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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 09:10:50  
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Laws based on feels? Aren't they already there?

Strictly speaking "no murder" is a law based on feels, right?

Really, aren't they all based on feels?

Isn't every man or woman or child for themselves the way of nature? These laws just get in the way of filtering out the poor genetic material.
You're allowed to murder all you want. It just has to be justified, or not get caught.
 
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 09:16:30  
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Laws based on feels? Aren't they already there?

Strictly speaking "no murder" is a law based on feels, right?

Really, aren't they all based on feels?

Isn't every man or woman or child for themselves the way of nature? These laws just get in the way of filtering out the poor genetic material.
You're allowed to murder all you want. It just has to be justified, or not get caught.

So...serial killers that don't get caught are your idea of the prime human specimen...?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 09:24:54  
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Laws based on feels? Aren't they already there?

Strictly speaking "no murder" is a law based on feels, right?

Really, aren't they all based on feels?

Isn't every man or woman or child for themselves the way of nature? These laws just get in the way of filtering out the poor genetic material.
You're allowed to murder all you want. It just has to be justified, or not get caught.

So...serial killers that don't get caught are your idea of the prime human specimen...?
How you make such incredible leaps and bounds is beyond me. Forget reading between the lines, you take it to a whole new level that's purely in your head.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-13 09:28:37  
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Does the law define Authority of the United States? No? Thank you.
Then show us where authority of the United State is defined as exclusive powers of the executive branch of the US government.

I never said exclusive to the executive branch.

Executive agreement = Executive branch
Congressional-Executive agreement = Executive + Congress

Have to use the seperation of powers.
You still haven't tied the executive agreement to the law. Therefor, you still haven't proven that the law was broken by that open letter.
 
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 09:33:39  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Laws based on feels? Aren't they already there?

Strictly speaking "no murder" is a law based on feels, right?

Really, aren't they all based on feels?

Isn't every man or woman or child for themselves the way of nature? These laws just get in the way of filtering out the poor genetic material.
You're allowed to murder all you want. It just has to be justified, or not get caught.

So...serial killers that don't get caught are your idea of the prime human specimen...?
How you make such incredible leaps and bounds is beyond me. Forget reading between the lines, you take it to a whole new level that's purely in your head.

I just honestly have a hard time telling when you're just trying to goad people on to more argument and how often you're expressing your true (wait for it!)...feelings.

You seem to be very appreciative of people without feelings who do what they want to do, and do so in an efficient and thorough fashion.

So, really...what I said isn't that big of a leap.

Though I do have a penchant for speaking in hyperbole, it's true.

And for hats. I like hats.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 09:34:28  
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And for hats. I like hats.
I like hats too.
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 09:34:59  
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And for hats. I like hats.
I like hats too.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-13 09:37:56  
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You still haven't tied the executive agreement to the law. Therefor, you still haven't proven that the law was broken by that open letter.

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The only way you can make an argument that this was a direct violation of the Logan Act is if you change it to "without authority of the executive branch of the United States government"

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directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States

At least you admit I cannot read and comprehend the English language.
Sure, I'll admit that.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-13 09:38:48  
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Does the law define Authority of the United States? No? Thank you.
Then show us where authority of the United State is defined as exclusive powers of the executive branch of the US government.

I never said exclusive to the executive branch.

Executive agreement = Executive branch
Congressional-Executive agreement = Executive + Congress

Have to use the seperation of powers.
You still haven't tied the executive agreement to the law. Therefor, you still haven't proven that the law was broken by that open letter.

The constitution doesn't exclusively give the president the right to negotiate treaties. There's just one problem with your logic here, he wasn't negotiating a treating, he was negotiating an agreement, essentially a cease-fire. That process doesn't involve congress, doesn't require their approval, is recognized as the right of the executive under international law, and the 47 congressmen sought to undermine that process.

The constitution denotes how our government shall be run, but international agreements fall under international law. You could certainly make a case for sedition or espionage if the logan act doesn't fit your brand of politics.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-13 09:39:38  
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And for hats. I like hats.
I like hats too.


Everyone loves hats.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-13 09:44:21  
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Does the law define Authority of the United States? No? Thank you.
Then show us where authority of the United State is defined as exclusive powers of the executive branch of the US government.

I never said exclusive to the executive branch.

Executive agreement = Executive branch
Congressional-Executive agreement = Executive + Congress

Have to use the seperation of powers.
You still haven't tied the executive agreement to the law. Therefor, you still haven't proven that the law was broken by that open letter.

The constitution doesn't exclusively give the president the right to negotiate treaties. There's just one problem with your logic here, he wasn't negotiating a treating, he was negotiating an agreement, essentially a cease-fire. That process doesn't involve congress, doesn't require their approval, is recognized as the right of the executive under international law, and the 47 congressmen sought to undermine that process.

The constitution denotes how our government shall be run, but international agreements fall under international law. You could certainly make a case for sedition or espionage if the logan act doesn't fit your brand of politics.
Um...thanks for proving my point?

I wasn't arguing that the Logan Act was in violation.....
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 09:47:45  
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Everyone loves hats.

Not true. I know this because many, many people insult the dignified Trilby simply because it's become common for douchebags to wear them.

Insult the person, not their fine hat choices!

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 09:48:55  
Leave it to Ramy to poo poo a working universal theory.
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 09:58:59  
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Leave it to Ramy to poo poo a working universal theory.

Look, I like trilbies, and I'm not a douchebag.

I'm a lot of very negative things and I'll cop to that.

But I am not a douchebag.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-13 10:00:46  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Laws based on feels? Aren't they already there?

Strictly speaking "no murder" is a law based on feels, right?

Really, aren't they all based on feels?

Isn't every man or woman or child for themselves the way of nature? These laws just get in the way of filtering out the poor genetic material.
You're allowed to murder all you want. It just has to be justified, or not get caught.

So...serial killers that don't get caught are your idea of the prime human specimen...?
How you make such incredible leaps and bounds is beyond me. Forget reading between the lines, you take it to a whole new level that's purely in your head.

He's loves that brush.
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 10:03:40  
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What's happening here? I'm apparently not smart enough to make sense of the 14 pages I skimmed over. Summary preez D:

I'll summarize Hitler is a jerk !
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-13 10:50:52  
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Does the law define Authority of the United States? No? Thank you.
Then show us where authority of the United State is defined as exclusive powers of the executive branch of the US government.

I never said exclusive to the executive branch.

Executive agreement = Executive branch
Congressional-Executive agreement = Executive + Congress

Have to use the seperation of powers.
You still haven't tied the executive agreement to the law. Therefor, you still haven't proven that the law was broken by that open letter.

The constitution doesn't exclusively give the president the right to negotiate treaties. There's just one problem with your logic here, he wasn't negotiating a treating, he was negotiating an agreement, essentially a cease-fire. That process doesn't involve congress, doesn't require their approval, is recognized as the right of the executive under international law, and the 47 congressmen sought to undermine that process.

The constitution denotes how our government shall be run, but international agreements fall under international law. You could certainly make a case for sedition or espionage if the logan act doesn't fit your brand of politics.
Um...thanks for proving my point?

I wasn't arguing that the Logan Act was in violation.....

I've been saying all along that it wasn't a violation of the logan act, lol. You could make a case for it being several things, and that would be up to the DoJ to determine. That's what I hope comes of the petition, the DoJ makes a statement and explains why they believe it is or isn't a violation and acts accordingly. Nobody stands to benefit from 48 congressmen being indicted in an already dysfunctional and unproductive legislative term. And, I don't particularly want to see a precedent set of charging elected officials instead of working with them.

Does that mean I agree with the letter or their premise, hell no, even moreso that they don't even know their role in international agreements.
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 10:50:59  
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He's loves that brush.

I prefer to work in charcoals.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-13 10:53:28  
Because I didn't get to respond to Zackan last night, i'll do so now:

I appreciate your stance, and your opinion, as it's one of the only well articulated ones against the FRS, and that you are the first to admit they aren't well versed in what it does, or it's responsibilities, and am also pleased you see this as a learning opportunity.

Also, I did point out that a better option to the complete dissolution of it would be to enact reforms at a relative pace, which would be a progressive, yet conservative stance.

And that there are indeed many progressive conservative stances being taken already by both parties, as a middle ground, unless you see those progressive stances by the conservative members doing so as some kind of disease, despite making things better, but still highly recognizable, for as many people as possible, and not just their constituents. A prime example of this would be of Mitt Romney and his "Romney Care" during his tenure as governor.
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By Zackan 2015-03-13 11:48:05  
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Because I didn't get to respond to Zackan last night, i'll do so now:

I appreciate your stance, and your opinion, as it's one of the only well articulated ones against the FRS, and that you are the first to admit they aren't well versed in what it does, or it's responsibilities, and am also pleased you see this as a learning opportunity.

Also, I did point out that a better option to the complete dissolution of it would be to enact reforms at a relative pace, which would be a progressive, yet conservative stance.

And that there are indeed many progressive conservative stances being taken already by both parties, as a middle ground, unless you see those progressive stances by the conservative members doing so as some kind of disease, despite making things better, but still highly recognizable, for as many people as possible, and not just their constituents. A prime example of this would be of Mitt Romney and his "Romney Care" during his tenure as governor.

2 questions: What can you tell me about interest rates, and how they are not recycled back in? Basically what I am referring to is how 1 dollar can be owed to multiple entities at the same time(taking a loan out against a loan), How banks use your interest as a form of actual currency, and the biggest issue of the fact that if everyone belonging to a bank were to withdraw there money at the same time, there would be serious issues.

2) I know about this thing that JFK did(conspiracy i suppose) Where he actually signed some kind of executive agreement which actually would have directly placed direct control of the currency back in the governments hands. It was at this point the suspicious things happened.(he was assasinated and his vice president(who became president) immediately dissolved the executive action.)
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By Lye 2015-03-13 11:52:17  
Got busy last night! Here you go:

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But not what you do!
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By Zackan 2015-03-13 11:53:58  
i am tempted to block your idiotness. All you do Lye is try to prove your personal point. You are full of hot air and nothing else.
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By Lye 2015-03-13 11:56:17  
Satire isn't for everyone :(

Best of luck to you!
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By Zackan 2015-03-13 11:57:57  
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Satire isn't for everyone :(

Best of luck to you!

Is that all you are capable of is satire? because every response over the last 5 or so pages has been the same.(at least the responses to me)

I would not take issue with your responses if they were individual responses, the issue that is your standard operating procedure when responding to me.
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 12:20:46  
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Is that all you are capable of is satire?

Being capable of satire is actually quite a skill. Lost on most in this day and age.

Quote:
Pam: Man, and here you are without your gun; that's pretty ironic, huh?

Archer: No, Pam, once again you're confusing the word ironic with "you are an idiot". What's ironic is that every other store we drive by is a gun shop!

Pam: Oh. Okay, so then what's satire?

Archer: Nobody really knows!

Possibly my favorite Archer exchange ever, and there are some real gems from which to choose.
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By Lye 2015-03-13 12:20:55  
It is my opinion that being able to look at the caricatures of ones' beliefs and views is an important step in developing a well rounded perspective.

The difference between satire and sarcasm lies in its intent:

Sarcasm is butchery where satire is surgery.

"If" it's any consolation, you can opt out of retrospective thinking and stick with this verse from "If" by Rudyard Kipling. Here's the verse:

If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

In the words of another STRONG WISE man....

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By Lye 2015-03-13 12:25:00  
If it makes you feel better, I can make a satirical MSPaint of myself. My intimate knowledge of my own foibles is surpassed only by my wife.


Damn, someone call the fire department because I just got BURNED!
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