Killer Instinct: The Beastmaster Compendium

I kinda like using the Sheep in Odyssey solo. I was surprised to find pet moves can actually hit the untargetable beastmen around the gyves. So I just use Sheep Song spam to lock them all in place as a safe alternative. And at least still get Rage for being uncapped attack.

I agree I still want more variety in pets and damage. I don't want a WAR/DRG clone. I want monster correlation to be worth a strategy again where applicable. Strong pets of all types.

If they stopped forcing melee with penalities and encouraged instead, they would have more creativity and actually get it done faster. In my opinion, they just need to boost the pets and revert distance. I don't care what they said. If the master can safely contribute meaningful damage, they will melee. Because not doing so lowers DPS. And if they decide to just pet only with slower damage well it's a strategy just like every other safe strategy. The game isn't as hard as it was in 2016.

I want many playstyles to be viable for bst.

I want to be able to focus on master. I want to be able to focus on pet. I would like to have some good hybrid options.

I would like to be able to tank if need be.

No I don't want a hybrid job to better than a specialist at any of these things. And I don't want bst to be able to do all at once.

but I do like the versatility. i want to be able to.

Currently, bst is very gear dependant for whichever role it tries to do. I think that is ok.

The range nerf and lack of pet buffs (pets falling behind in power creep) have nerfed the pet-focused style.
The master focused style is ok atm.

The hybrid option is almost non existant.

You can act on the translucent monsters, but does sheep song actually stick on them? In my experience, they just happen to be immune to it's effects. Unless pets are different.

Also, can you elaborate on your strategy in Odyssey with BST? I've been meaning to try it out but I'm not too sure how I would use it besides just for buffs.

It definitely sticks on them, it is awesome. I don't know if it's because I'm targeting the gyve with Sheep Song but it works. Then they just go after sheep when waking up since I didn't touch them.

I tested to see what else sticks on them if they are in range of AoE. Trusts don't, player AoEs don't stick. I tried AATT for Sleepga, nope. But also works on SMN when I used Diabolos and Shiva. I think it's something weird about pets they didn't account for.

Nothing super fleshed out on strategy. Decimation spam mostly or I try to use trusts to SC partner with. I need to try Ayame with BST. I just like how foolproof it is to run up and kill gyves with it. But I've been using THF lately for picking chests.

Can test more BST in Odyssey if there is interest.

Shockwave sticks on those mobs. So any GS wielder can sleep them.

Really? Huh didn't think to try that. Maybe they only made them immune to AoE spells and didn't think to include AoE anything else. Cool.

Yeah, wrong thread for it. I use it on war a lot. Makes TH4 cleaving them easy. IDK if fell cleave or sonic thrust land. Never tried that.

More Mega Scissors stuff from Krabkatoa:

High HP target (VivaciousVickie with Familiar has ~7200 HP)


Low HP target (Level -1 Wild Rabbit has ~30 HP)

Random Dawn Mulsum usage at the bottom there for laughs.

Damage amounts with Capped Pet PDT VivaciousVickie:

Looks promising. Looks like it deals damage based on the max HP of the target, and DEF-% effects increase the amount.

...please let it have Fragmentation property... please?

You know that they're not going to be the same kind of damage, if they're even given mega scissors at all.

You won't be cutting apex/nm mobs in half or even anything close to it. Just don't get excited for nothing.

Ha! proof of someone who knows what they are talking about

I second the motion!

I don't pay attention to SC properties often. How would this help?

At a quick glance, there's absolutely nothing that is frag. Frag would open up -> Decimation, or -> Mistral to lights

Only light option now is tulfaire (frenzy <-> CS)

Probably not what you are looking for, but

Sweeping Gouge -> Decimation -> Decimation

is a nice light skill chain, it keeps the -DEF 25% on the target (before the ws) which is nice :) It also only costs one point, so easy to keep up.

It just takes either buffs and/or gear to reliably do it. I do it with k-club, but you should be able to do it with other oat + trusts.

Just throwing some parse numbers out. 5.7 % percent on wave 3 boss tonight with farsha rank 9 subbing warrior (other dd was MNK, DRG, WAR and yeah the corsair beat me too) , and gen ours Arthur as pet. tried to do mostly master damage. Be nice to see bst do more then that but that is me hoping.

If you used Purulent Ooze you instantly were the top parser.



Decimation > Sweeping Gouge > Decimation > Decimation is an even better SC to use with the Raaz. Most Apex monsters die from this alone, you just have to get used to not having Rage (unless you alternate pets for buffs). If you're not using Raaz, you can replace Sweeping Gouge with Smash Axe for the same kind of SC.

Really hoping for good things in August, the last few posts in this thread were kinda illusion shattering. I really enjoy the aesthetic of BST and was just thinking my damage was lacking mostly cause of needing some better gear or a REMA or something. But to hear that in order to max out DPS you basically need to ignore the pet or only use slug? That really blows

It's worth noting that we have a single Frag property: ??? Needles from the catcus. It's not ilvl at all, but ??? needles doesn't care. Largely the problem there is that the pet dies very easily.

Him getting buffed up to 119 might be quite nice, though it won't make ??? Needles any stronger.

Also, I was dwelling on it a bit, thinking about a new crab as a pet, and something I've never tested but curious about: just how bad is the hate generation of Bubble Shower?

I've never really and truly sat down to test it out, and I've realized that if I wanted to, I could stack quite a bit of extra enmity+ gear onto it's usage.

So I am curious, just how much could you amplify the hate generation from bubble shower?

Something odd I've been noticing is that when fighting Omen bosses their uses of Stygian Sphere are not showing the effects of Corrosive Ooze being removed due to the Erase, same thing for Glassy Thinker and Winds of Promyvion.

Is this just something that happens with Pets in that you cannot see the effects being removed?

Bubble Shower's enmity generation is based on damage dealt (before Pet:MAB is added) and since it's so weak, even with Heyoka+1 set's Pet:Enmity+50, monsters will hardly notice.


Sadly, yes.

Is there any addon which could track active debuffs on a target so we can see them being removed? Seems like a pretty major handicap for the job. Blue Mages have the same problem.

only one im aware of is debuffed, which iirc was fairly limited, im sure it could be added onto to cover pure enfeebs from other jobs, but for things like add effects on nukes/phys spells/ready moves itd be running off assumptions i think as the game doesnt tell you if the monster got hit with that debuff, think only violent flourish does that

The ambu axe is still probably one of the best axes for beast, it's arguably better than my R-15 guttler for most content.

At the same time, you really aren't entirely giving up on pet damage, you are just lowering pet white damage. Swapping in pet ready gear is still required to play the job effectively. Hopefully the update allows us to do both.

Also on slug usage, it is pretty dependent on what that 33% def down means w.r.t. the rest of your party. If you can switch to another pet with 25% def down, but gain more in damage, then the slug doesn't make sense. However, in content where you aren't getting pet buffs and your pet isn't doing much-to-any damage, the slug is a great pet.

For DPS?

Ambu axe is king by a somewhat large margin. Second best axe imo is Pangu Path C. Second best DPS axe (besides Kaja) is Triedge. Ambu axe is WAYYYY better than guttler.

Master DPS beats out even unleashed spam DPS from pet. Ooze i think has a 100% chance of landing. So you might not even need to make a ready set.

Bst doesnt really have a great pet strategy since you have stand directly next to the mob anyway. Sure you can use the pet, but you can actually use the master to better effect now. Not many fights where a pet strategy is ideal. Pet is decent in content with low buffs. Allows you to SC when haste wouldnt allow it before. But we need to get bst into a party. It is no longer the 'lone wolf'. Bst isnt a particularly great solo either. A few jobs are better at that as well.

Sadly yes, bst gets its highest DPS by just spamming decimation and ignoring the pet, only use ooze if you need a better atk/def ratio. Ready moves have a long JA lock and are a pretty huge loss in DPS during a zerg. Bst needs to get something it does as good as other jobs. It isnt a solo job anymore. It isnt really a hybrid job either. Ooze is only nice in Dyna D because geo is nerfed. In normal content ooze isnt really needed because you would have the geo anyway (easily capping pdif with fury/frail/songs/dia). The higher he content the less likely the pet is to land ANY attacks. Since a max master is stronger than a max pet, you will default on the master having buffs. Since the pet isnt buffed, the pet wont even contribute white damage on hard stuff. It will just wiff and have a terrible atk/def ratio IF it ever lands an attack. Bst is decently strong in weak content, and trash in most hard content. I dont want to be forced to play by myself just because I like bst. Make it fit into a party somehow.

Was looking into this recently and BST can actually be a really solid tank these days lol.

ItemSet 374663

This set is top tier magic evasion, capped DT without resin augment leaving it open for block rate+, counter or status resist (can also use aug'd macabre gauntlets to stack resist status), high HP, high acc and stp for some respectable dps at the same time.

Reprisal from the shield will add more skill since the last update it seems.

/BLU for hate.

Combine with the potent attack down from ooze, 100% defence from fish/crab or counter/MDB from snort depending on the situation.

I think one major problem with /blu is MP management, and it's going to be difficult to balance around.

For my own part and research, I've arrived at this:


ItemSet 370719

With /dnc sub. Max Subtle Blow, 35 Counter in the set(so 60 with the boar) 50 PDT/46 MDT, 30 Stat resist, and plenty of STP. I haven't settled in on what the last two pieces should be, but the question here largely is if the Pangu can keep up with DPS(the set is a 7 hit build, but the TP usage of DNC for hate management and healing might hurt the overall DPS).

I'm leaning more towards the boar pet, of course, since it's MDB and Counter complement the set quite well, though the crab likely helps out a decent amount as well, especially with stoneskin.

I have done bst/blu and I actually have the gear to have cap dt and have a lot of refresh.

It doesn't work at all unless you have a good midcast enmity+ set for blu magic.

Its still challenging to keep hate, but its doable in some circumstances.

Enmity management is the BIG challenge there.

I think the counter/dnc setup is more fun.

I found even with a bard to help with enmity that it was VERY challenging to hold hate. Bst is super capable of being durable and not very capable of gaining enmity. You can mitigate dmg pretty well, but you cant hold hate. Wish they had a reverse snarl.