San Antonio Passes Hands-free Law, Enacted On 1/1

Ah, my mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.

Should've called it "holding," Emirii. It is typically at the local jail, of course, but it's more akin to being in the drunk tank.

So much anger in your post.

You could have easily disagreed with him and left it at that.

Yeah, seatbelt laws are supposed to save lives, but guess what? They always do not do that.

When I was young (about 7) one of my parent's friends died in a car crash. She was sideswiped and ran headfirst into a pillar supporting a bridge. The cause of death was the seatbelt that she was wearing snapped her neck, not because she was wearing it wrong, but because of the sideswipe that moved her seatbelt too far towards her neck when she hit the pillar.

I know, I know, anecdotal evidence and some people here (mostly trolls who generally argue with me all the time) would say that the cause was something else or she didn't have her seatbelt on and everyone (the police, the coroner, and the justice of the peace) all lied about it or some other *** reason. That doesn't change the facts that she died because of her seatbelt (all 3 agreed that she would have survived without it on).

Drunk tanks are after you have been booked. She probably meant the waiting area in the front office.

Well.. Seems my Main Altimaomega has been banned without even a message as to why. I'm glad all the other people that actually start this nonsense can still post because that's all kinds of fair right!

Anyone that says the mods are not biased on this forum are on some heavy drugs and most likely a liberal child murder..

Like I said I personally know several people who have died because of a seat belt. If you wanna get right down to it I know a couple EMTs that think seat beats take more lives than they save when you are going under 60-65mph. But hey listen to the people trying to take your money because they made a law over peoples grief.

Um... weird phrasing on that second sentence there.

Anyhow, sure, a seatbelt can cause injury or even death, even when employed properly. So can airbags. I can't think of how off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's some way that my bike helmet could kill me, too. Freak accidents are freak. Do you use a literally 1 in a 1,000,000,000 chance as a justification for not doing something that could a.) protect you and b.) benefit society as a whole?

About the only reason I can see not to wear a seatbelt is if you're a Social Darwinist and convinced that the genome will be improved by a few more dead idiots. Debate the merits of that argument if you like, but the people who say, "I shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt!" are not going to be the ones saying, "People who don't wear seatbelts deserve to die." There's simply no logic here.

And just to curtail a thought that might occur amongst the tin-hat crowd, even if we removed government-sponsored social assistance (e.g., disability, Medicaid, etc.) as so many far-right kooks want to do, people will still be assisted by private and religious charities which are typically funded by those same right-wing types who think that helping one's fellow man is a sin against capitalism, Ayn Rand, and America.

You might be right. I don't drink, so I've never been grabbed as a drunk, but popular depiction suggested that booking was a somewhat case-by-case optional thing to me.

Do you deliberately latch onto every bit of anecdotal nonsense you can find? All these EMT friends of yours (incidentally, I know a bunch of EMTs -- they don't know squat about statistics or serious medicine), do they mention how many of these alleged deaths are from people wearing the thing improperly? 'cause I see people wearing them in the stupidest ways all the time.

Ye-No. I was raised in EMS. No tech or medic will tell you that a seat belt is more likely to kill you than not. Now you're just making ***up.

Not a competent one anyway.

I generally only wear a seatbelt when traveling at highway speeds (55mph+). If I'm in town where the limit is 25-40mph then there's no reason to really wear one.

I've not seen anyone ejected in town. I've not seen any accidents in town that cause someone to need to be transported to a hospital via life-flight.

One exception is on children. IMO children should always be seat belted in or in a car seat, end of story.

Also, I've never given a seatbelt ticket out, my hypocrisy goes only so far.

Yeah, I just saw that, sorry.

Um...I'm not against seatbelt laws.

I just wanted to point out the common misconception that seatbelts always saves lives. Even the CDC admits that seatbelts do not eliminate the risk of death, as they stated that the risk is reduced by up to half.

That is another common misconception made by the liberals and progressives. But that's a completely different topic.

Have you seen anyone pissing blood as a result of damaging their kidneys by slamming them into their steering wheel? How about going to occupational therapy because they smashed their knees into the dash? And then there's the joy of concussion from the many places you can strike your forehead into.

I just don't understand why people fight so hard against a simple safety measure. At least when I refused to wear a bike helmet, I admitted it mostly out of vanity, but unless you're driving to a fancy party in a silk evening gown, I don't think that applies to a seatbelt. Does it look cool to risk injury? I guess if you're a 16-year-old boy, maybe.

I will at least concede that the difference between cell phones and seatbelts is cause and effect, so greater emphasis is owed to the former. I get very antsy being in a car without a belt on, though.

It's one of those things, like signaling before changing a lane or turning that I just do out of habit.

My other's nephew got pissy with me a few years ago because I wouldn't move the car until he put on the belt right. I'm sorry that his mother's such a stupid ***to where she doesn't make her son wear a seat belt, I'm not getting a ticket for her lack of proper parenting.

/rant

This guy knows what to do (really starts at 2 minutes in)

Why does this need to be discussed anyway? You shouldn't get involved in any other task while driving, whether you're good at it or not.

lol; ilu man.

Sort-of off-topic, but SIR (supplemental inflatable restraints) systems can be incredibly dangerous if deployed incorrectly. Thanks to shorting-bars and double fault systems, they VERY rarely malfunction, but I have had the displeasure of being in front of one when it malfunctioned, while performing a recall replacement. They expand at over 300mph, it's effectively like being hit in the face by Mike Tyson's whole family. It broke my nose and cracked my cheekbone, luckily I had no permanent damage to my eyes, but it was one of the most painful experiences in my life, and my whole face was purple for a month, and I had a ruptured blood vessel in my right eye for almost 2. To this day, the smell of the propellant makes me queasy.

Sorry to hear it. Did you at least get a cool CT out of it? When I cracked my skull, they imaged me multiple times (I can feel the cancer growing). I acquired my records and screen-capped the CT of my skull to use as my phone's wallpaper.

Also, there's an inflatable bike helmet that was developed a year or so ago. I worry about the dangers it poses for exactly the same reason as the dangers posed by car airbags, since it uses a similar system.

Wow, I wonder who this new victim could be...

i do the same thing most of the time'

Setbelts only reduce the rate of death in car accidents. Remember that it's an insurance thing too. You really don't want to be in an accident and found to have not had your seat belt on.

Same in ATX. Hopefully, this will cut down on the hit-and-runs, or accidents in general, with joggers and cyclists downtown. It happens way too often. Granted, everyone should be paying attention. That includes motorists, pedestrians and cyclists.

EDIT: NVM. KN already covered ATX.

I didn't see if Dallas recently passed a similar law, do you know Zah?

I disagree, there should be zero exceptions. These individuals should be setting the example and what they are doing can be much riskier than what your average person is doing.

They go off after a while. Suck it up.

Driver says the following!

"I'm a great driver I've been texting and driving for years since I was 16"

Driver kills young woman and says "I'll take responsibility for it"

I'm sorry, how the *** does this bring someone back to life you absolute idiot.

You can't take responsibility, you can't reverse the act and you can't bring that person back and make up for the lives attached to her's you destroy.

Anyone saying any different deserves to be shot for *** stupidity, how the *** is this hard?

Emergency services won't be using a phone and have a 2nd driver who deals with this *** (unless a cop) but they give updates during pursuits etc which is required as part of their job if they're on their own.

Really?



Your "EMT" friends should wear this, and probably quit being EMT's.

It's like "I think this Weaponskill is good, but I'm eyeballing"

Parse shows it's ***.

Your friends are Eye Ballers, get over it or show some statistics with citation or no ones going to give a ***what you say on the matter, I don't think any comment you've ever made has been backed up with facts.

Nothing for the greater DFW area as far as I know. Some suburbs and smaller cities have it though.

Pretty much everywhere there are laws for any kind of device use in a school zone. Super hefty fine on those too.


As some who drives an ambulance for a living (and soon a fire truck), there is no way to avoid distraction while driving most times.

You have to be in touch with dispatch, figure out where you are going, etc. If you are driving code then you have to change your siren tone often and use the air horn. Also you find out the bulk of humanity shouldn't be allowed to drive after having to run code and nobody knows what to do so they just stop in the middle of the road... Or *** try to speed up in front of you.

Slow down and pull to the right. It's not complicated. Also don't try to follow the *** ambulance through traffic, you're going to cause another accident.


That actually isn't a bad law. The bulk of all highway side fires (which is quite high in DFW at least) are caused by people flicking out their butts.

Also getting smacked in the face by a lit butt on my motorcycle will make me drop something on your windshield. And I know I'm not the only biker who does that.

I don't have any statistics to offer right now but I'm gunna guess this is a case of sharpshooter fallacy and/or confirmation bias.