Ark Angels II / Divine Might II (Discussion)

ilvl128+ NMs in Delve 2.0 would be impossible to beat if this were the case. In regards to the AA's it might just be the case.

there is no level correction for adoulin areas according to se.

Sky isnt in Adoulin though, so he isnt necessarily wrong.

Just because there is no level correction in Adoulin, does not mean level correction was kept in the post-adoulin released high tier battlefields, nor does it mean it wasn't.

Speculation aside, we would see a rather noticeable change in a few more mechanics then just taking more max possible damage. As an example, we would see some rather telling ws numbers when flashy shot was popped with a WS.

which is why it's a good benchmark for similar level content or to determine if level correction applies.

There is no level correction in those BC, but the stats are incredibly higher on later tiers, so it's pretty much the same. VD takes at least twice as much time to kill than D for instance. I'm not necessarily talking about Ark Angels.

For instance the demon SKCNM takes ~4:30 to clear with a melee setup on difficult using 3 mnks (buffs included) while they take 15 minutes to clear on VD with the same setup using a madrigal instead of a gimp minuet. I know because I tried to spam them at one point to farm AF mats. The difference doesn't come from accuracy, in both case you cap with sushis. The difference likely comes from defense only (2-3x more ?).

EV has a great damage taken reduction after he usues invicible. Floored fstr doesn't explain why damage is divided by 3. If you consider that even with 2500 defense on MNK/BLU the HM can deal more than 2k DMG, you can have an idea of its attack so it not exagerated to think than EV has something as ridiculous as 5k def either.

My bad, forgot about rPDIF being the same between 0.9 and 1.1 since I hadn't considered it would be so low while still fully buffed, sorry.

Pchan is almost certainly right about this

Level correction is still applied on Morta, Crystal Dragon and other high level fights made prior to SoA. We know SE removed LCF for SoA and just gave everything really high stats to compensate, and in return we just applied even more buffs then usual.

On Normal AA (level 119) fights I'm buffed to extreme levels on WAR and UF / Upheavel doesn't hit near as high as it does on Delve MBs (other 119 content) while under similiar buffs. Now SE could of given the AA's really high stats, but I'm of the opinion they did the lazy thing (this is SE) and simply increased their levels accordingly which would create an artificial ceiling on damage. It would account for us doing less damage on AA's then we do on Tojil (Attack aura and all) while explaining the insane damage scaling for their offensive attacks.

It definitely can't have 5K defense or we'd be constantly hitting for 0 quite often. Same with your defense, if it had 5000 attack then there would be no difference in damage intake between using berserk / LR and not using them, yet there is. That 2K damage with 2500 defense is easily explaining if you imagine the boss is getting a free +1.35 cRatio along with the +1.0 from crit and the cap being 4.0. Could also explain the dramatic slow damage in damage on VD, a -1.35 cRatio would really really suck.

:Note: That's assuming they are level 126 on VD, based solely on us finding regular monsters that high. I haven't seen nor heard of anyone actually trying to test to see what level they would be other then (higher then 119).

Whether level correction is present should be testable via flashy shot, yes? Assuming Anyone still has that merited. <,<;;

Use flashy shot, or maybe flashy shot+EES, and if it hits hella hard, then there was level correction at work. If this is the case, I'd imagine some of the mathy'er folks around here could figure out the level difference given player stats and some damage samples.

I think because the fights are such enmity controlled events nobody every thought to use FS as most do SS/Recycle. FS is kinda pointless nowadays since there is no LCF in SoA.

Which is why I had doubts that anyone would still have it. Pretty much, some one would need to put a merit into it specifically to test things. <,<;

But, assuming you can find someone to do that, it should be a viable test method.

Lowest pdif is not 0 and at 5k def anyway the gimpest DD is getting at least 1k att with a bard. That is 0.2 pdif multiplied by the ilevel 119 weapon damage it is going to be in the range of 50 ish damage

There most certainly is a lower bound of 0 at really low cRatio.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/File:Mot_Melee_pDIF.png

5K defense would put people under 0.5, most under 0.3 which has a lower limit of 0.

And ... NQ BRD's should be doing double haste's with no Minuet in sight.

The lower bound on cratio is not 0, people should stop spreading the same *** on every site. Just because you quote BG doesn't make it right. Last I checked I'm the one that made the current cratio model. This is easily tested by stacking defense and getting hit by level 60 ish mobs. The lower bound on cratio is something like 0.25. This means that regarless of the mob defense there is always a minimum for which you will hit for. With a typical 220 total damage on mnk fists you hit a minimum for ~44 prior to pdt/parry/block etc ...

Thats a wonderful case of argument:
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