Shut 'em Down!

paranoid and delusional. This is going to be Obama when he finally actually negotiates a deal.

Nice fantasy.

More like "When are you guys going to cockblock me next?"

exactly. again yep it would be all about him.

Everyone understood it was sarcasm, we were just saying that NASA is often grouped in with the insanely costly social programs that it shares nothing with.

I cant find the whole segment. I thought it was pretty funny talking about the stupidity on both sides.

And STOP TELLING ME YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE SIGNED UP. You know damn well, you just don't want to post the numbers because they are so dismal.

Also people need to stop bitching that the site is down. When you have millions of people just trying to see what is going on. Of course there is going to be high traffic at first.

Naw, we just were commenting on how people throw it in there and actually believe it fits. You're fine, other than being a taru...

All the young liberals, 18-40, that haven't signed up for Obamacare but wanted it forced down everyone's throats, well the solution is simple. Picture this: Affordable Health Care Act Kiosks at all Whole Foods and Starbucks locations. Problem solved. If that doesn't work, free pair of thick framed hipster glasses for signing up.

I'd like to know:
1. where you found statistics of who has signed up based on age or political views.
2. how you think that anyone is cramming ACA down anyone's throat (which demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of how insurance and ACA work)
3. your source to show that anyone is more likely to sign up for health insurance at a natural food store or coffee shop
4. when/where you sustained your TBI.

PSH, elves are immune to disease

Toss in some skinny jeans and I'm there!

Jeez guys, I think it was a joke.

to be fair, there aren't many that have the population the US has, and the few that do, have major systemic problems with their healthcare systems as well. Russia is one of the few with comparable population and wealth distribution (respectively) and their system relies on private clinics for most elective procedures and most serious or chronic illnesses aren't able to be treated even there. 90%+ of dentist offices don't even have facilities for x-ray.

There can't be a direct parallel in healthcare structure between a solitary country with 330 million people and shared economy country with 30.

That's not to say that there aren't concepts of those systems that could be adapted to a larger population or even directly transferred, of course, just that you can't cookie cutter them or use them as examples of what we're doing right/wrong.

It has been pushed down my throat. My deductible almost doubling shows me it has been pushed down my throat. The fact that I don't want to be told that I have to pay a private company with my own money is another reason that it was shoved down my throat. Don't get me wrong, I recognize that we need change, but I don't think this is enough reform on the health care system.

Shared risk

The more people enrolled, the lower the premiums, that's the essence of how any insurance works, it's how companies are able to purchase plans for their employees. It's the only way ACA does anything, by having EVERYONE insured.

If you HAD insurance, I don't see how your deductible could have changed because of ACA.


I agree, ACA is a bit of a dud. But it isn't the apocalypse that neo-cons are portraying it as, it's funded by the money saved in other areas, and it's a platform for progressive reform. I do understand that's the "doing anything is better than doing nothing" answer. It's gotta get off the ground and get into effect before any of the doomsday prophecies can either come true or not, and if it warrants repeal of revision, then that's what should be done.

The problem is even deeper than that, there's a culture of self-entitlement that makes Americans look like a hive mind. But it is an example of why universal healthcare doesn't work well universally, and one of the few industrialized countries of that size that has universal healthcare.

Any healthcare system will fail if poorly implemented and even the system we have can succeed if put in the right position. ACA is an example of a law designed to reform the system we have instead of building a new one. It would be a MUCH bigger task to try and scrap our system and go to a universal system.

With respect to the universal hive mind in America, Steinbeck said it best:

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

Its why we have so many who pontificate the need for social welfare programs but never participate and the opposite who need and would benefit from social welfare programs but deplore them.

I hope this is a joke.

Because, you are told you are required to carry it so it gives insurance companies free rain to increase their revenues as much as they want.

Yes I have insurance and it is pre-ACA. It has also gone up every singe year for the past 5 years I will admit, however it has never been a 58% increase in my deductible. I have yet to see the premiums I should find that out on the 14th.

As I said before I also signed up on the ACA just to see what I would have gotten. I was looking at a 3k deductible and $100 dollars more than what I am paying now and that doesn't include dental or vision. I currently have a 700 dollar deductible, pay 100 dollars a month and that includes dental and vision. I have yet to see where this is affordable.

I receive about a 1k dollar raise a year if I get a review. All it is doing is going towards this years Health care cost which I am still in the hole over. I have yet to see where having all these people on the system make things more cost effective.

It is a dud. There should have been better regulation. Small ones like opening up the insurance business across state lines.A cap on the amount that premiums and deductibles could have been raised for the next 3 years. There are things they could have done. But they rushed this system and pushed it down my throat and it's costing me a hell of a lot of money and I will not be going to the doctor as much.

Here are some numbers but only for two states.
California Obamacare Sign-Ups Exceed 28,000 in First Week

You're missing out on one of the other key points in ACA. There is a mandate on how much of premium cost must go directly to healthcare and not profit or clerical. Anything above that point the insurance companies are required to rebate back to the policy holders. That part has been in place for a few years now and has actually lowered most people's premiums (not in actual dollars but in relation to previous increase rate and inflation).

I'll dig up the info tomorrow, as it's bedtime, but there is a wealth of information on how the whole law is designed to work and what it has already changed. The key is to look at cost in terms of rate of increase and inflation, as 100 dollars today may be more than 99 dollars yesterday, but if it was 90 dollars the day before and 80 before that, 100 dollars is lower than it would be.

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If I read that correctly they signed up but not enrolled in New York.I signed up and was eligible in Ky, but I didn't enroll.

I am interested in how many people here have actually signed up and looked at the cost so far and actually challenge you to do so.

Jessick If I am reading you correctly, are you telling me that they can only bank so much of the premiums? If my premiums still go up it doesn't matter who is getting the money. The fact is it still comes out of my pocket and I pay more for other people and get less coverage.