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Final Fantasy - The Best and Worst?
 Ragnarok.Allslove
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By Ragnarok.Allslove 2013-05-04 19:49:44
i wouldnt say tetra master from final fantasy 9 is the worst bc there is no reward.
There is a reward every time you play, you get to pick one of the opponents cards. just because there isnt an ultimate prize doesnt mean it is a bad game.
Tetra master from 9 was the ONLY mini game i ever wanted to stop playing the main game for.
For me, it was never about a reward. Instead, it was the vintage-Superman-creating-new-superpowers type bullsheot that cost me game after game.
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By Cerberus.Altsmithra 2013-05-04 21:03:07
This is my mule account, Altimaomega is main. "banned for some reason"
- The best game? VI
- The best lead character? The Light Warriors in FF1, I like the Strong silent type.
- The best support character? Mog, so good they made him perma-support.
- The most evil villain? Kefka, Kuja wishes he could be like Kefka
- The game with the best battle and level system? Battle VIII
LVL Tatics
- The greatest special ability? Invincible
- The hardest boss fight ever? Im gonna say the most unbeatable boss is XIII, for one reason only. I cant bring myself to play more tha 6hrs of the horrible game........................
- The rarest item ever? The real Final Fantasy III game, hard to find.
- The rarest fight? Was the Alpakku NM that drops Sanguine blade, probly one of the few to get one back in the day.
- The hardest weapon to make? Mythic, just plain dumb...
- The best main storyline? VI IV I VIII
- The worst main storyline? 13.. I know the game was a line.. did it even have a story?
- The best jobs? PLD DRK WAR RDM
- The worst jobs? pup
- The most pointless quests ever? Feed my sheep...
- The hardest quests to complete? OLD CoP
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage) Attack Button, every game has it.
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? tape B button down, wake up next morning at lvl99 "multiple FF games have this."
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party) Gau
- The most useful magic spell ever? Cure X-Zone
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Shiva
-Lastly worst Dev move ever? Make R/E/M obsolete...
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 Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-05 04:00:45
Cerberus.Altsmithra said: »-Lastly worst Dev move ever? Make R/E/M obsolete...
Don't worry, Matsui already said they have a system in place to rejuvenate R/E/M. They just want to make sure they have the correct damage values on the current weapons before they allow us to upgrade them.
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By Sylph.Sukasaroth 2013-05-05 04:33:38
- The best game? FF9
- The best lead character? Zidane
- The best support character? (Basically any good character who you can party with, who is NOT the lead character. I do not mean support like a Mage.) Balthier
- The most evil villain? Kefka
- The game with the best music? FF11
- The game with the best battle and level system? FF9
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) Mimic
- The hardest boss fight ever? Omega Weapon - FF8
- The rarest item ever? Excalibur II - FF9
- The rarest fight? Cactuar x3 -FFX
- The hardest weapon to make? Going with Excalibur II again.
- The best main storyline? FF9
- The worst main storyline? FF13
- The best jobs? DRG - FF11; Dark Knight FFX-2
- The worst jobs? THF - FF11
- The most pointless quests ever? Galkan Sausage. (You know the one.)
- The hardest quests to complete? Again with Excalibur II, lol.
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage) Mimic - Omnislash\Ungarmax\Knights of Round - FF7
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? W-Item Materia, Infinite Item glitch. - FF7
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party) RDM in FF1
- The hardest end boss? Necron
- The most useful magic spell ever? Aura - FF8
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Fav: Anima, FFX; Most utility KOTR - FF7
- The best mini-game? Hot and Cold Game FF9
- The worst mini-game? Arm Wrestling - FF7
- The best tank character. (PLD, High defense etc.) Basch! :D
- The best damage dealing character. Barret FF7
- The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.) Dagger FF9
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 Shiva.Devrom
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By Shiva.Devrom 2013-05-05 08:08:51
- The best game? FFT
- The best lead character? Ramza
- The best support character? (Basically any good character who you can party with, who is NOT the lead character. I do not mean support like a Mage.) Auron
- The game with the best music? FFXI
- The game with the best battle and level system? FFT
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) The End
- The hardest boss fight ever? For me? Exdeath, just because he was too hard for me when i first fought him when i was a kid that i had to kill him spamming Gil Toss. I must have rushed through the game.
- The best main storyline? FFT
- The worst main storyline? FFXII or FFXIII
- The best jobs? Holy Swordsman/Sword Saint
- The worst jobs? Mime
- The most pointless quests ever? Galkan Sausage... nuff said
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage) Knights of the Round
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party) Aerith
- The most useful magic spell ever? Aura (FFVIII)
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Griever
- The best mini-game? Blitzball
- The worst mini-game? Arm wrestling
- The best tank character (PLD, High defense etc.)? Basch
- The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.)? Garnet
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By Caketime 2013-05-05 08:10:58
-The best game? FFIV
- The best lead character? Cecil
- The best support character? Rydia
- The most evil villain? Ultros
- The game with the best music? FFVII
- The game with the best battle and level system? FFIV. Can maximize stats or end up terrible if not careful.
- The greatest special ability? Lightbringer added effect
- The hardest boss fight ever? Legit hard? Probably none. It's all gimmicks, lol
- The rarest item ever? Puff tail
- The rarest fight? Fran Princess
- The hardest weapon to make? Any FFXI weapon
- The best main storyline? FFIV
- The worst main storyline? FFIX
- The best jobs? Paladin, Goon, Summoner
- The worst jobs? Geomancer, Beastmaster, Ninja
- The most pointless quests ever? Tellah's quest
- The hardest quests to complete? Adaman armor, have to get at least 2 plus Power armlets
- The biggest spam move ever? Fight
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? Avenger gives Berserk status but character is controllable
- The weakest party character ever? Edge. Even decked out he's a loser
- The hardest end boss? None. Most are easier than final dungeon mobs.
- The most useful magic spell ever? Bio
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Minimage
- The best mini-game? Cave of Trials
- The worst mini-game? Hot and Cold
- The best tank character. Cecil
- The best damage dealing character Palom
- The best magic support character Porom
I'm quite partial to FFIV, it's been with me since I was a wee one.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-05 09:10:10
Guess I'll answer these now lol
- The best game? FFIV
- The best lead character? Zidane
- The best support character? Rikku - When you first get her
- The most evil villain? Kefka
- The game with the best music? ff13-2
- The game with the best battle and level system? FF7
- The greatest special ability? FF8 Limit breaks
- The hardest boss fight ever? FFX-2 Chac
- The rarest item ever? Any of the Halcyon items from entites in FF12
- The rarest fight? Stingray, FFV
- The hardest weapon to make? Tournesol
- The best main storyline? FF8, I'd say the whole FF13 series usually, but Lightning returns isn't out yet, so I'm gonna reserve my judgement.
- The worst main storyline? FF1, there's.. nothing to it.
- The best jobs? Bare
- The worst jobs? Berserker - FFV
- The most pointless quests ever? That one in XI where you have to give that guy gil.
- The hardest quests to complete? Duties, Tasks, and Deeds (30k Alexandrite etc).
- The biggest spam move ever? Zantetsuken
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? W Item
- The weakest party character ever? Calco and Brena FFIV - The After Years.
- The hardest end boss? Neo Ex-Death
- The most useful magic spell ever? Mighty Guard
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Yojimbo
- The best mini-game? Chocobo Digging - FF9
- The worst mini-game? Moogle game in FF7
- The best tank character Silver Chocobo - FF13-2
- The best damage dealing character Wakka - Attack Reels is broken
- The best magic support character Probably Celes- the ability to heal characters whilst drawing magic away from them is pretty good.
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 Ragnarok.Xenophire
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Posts: 169
By Ragnarok.Xenophire 2013-05-05 11:09:18
Speaking of W-Item, III had a nice item dupe glitch too. Though, if you attempt to use that same item in the same battle, you'd freeze and crash. :(
 Sylph.Jrpg
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By Sylph.Jrpg 2013-05-05 11:52:04
- The best game? FFT followed by FF6
- The best lead character? Ramza, if only cus I don't like the other choices
- The best support character?
- The most evil villain? Kefka
- The game with the best music? FF6 maybe
- The game with the best battle and level system? FF7
- The greatest special ability? If Lucky 7777 can go here, then that
- The hardest boss fight ever? Ozma I guess
- The rarest item ever? Voidwatch crap
- The rarest fight?
- The hardest weapon to make? Mythics in FFXI
- The best main storyline? FFT
- The worst main storyline? FF2
- The best jobs? I like the special jobs in FFT (Holy Knight, Engineer, etc.) They get to do all the cool stuff. FFXI...in this order: DNC, BRD, MNK, SAM, DRK. Should clarify: "best" = "favorite". Can't remember anything about FF5.
- The worst jobs? Some jobs are kinda lackluster in FFT, not sure which specifically atm. FFXI: THF, NIN
- The most pointless quests ever? Most of the old quests in FFXI
- The hardest quests to complete? Mythic stuff
- The biggest spam move ever? Renzokuken
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? W-Item
- The weakest party character ever? Edward, FFIV (original)
- The hardest end boss? They're all easy.
- The most useful magic spell ever? M-Barrier
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Cactaur King
- The best mini-game? Chocobo Digging - FF9
- The worst mini-game? Blitzball
- The best tank character?
- The best damage dealing character? Anyone with Genji Glove+Offering dual Atma Weapons in FF6. So broken.
- The best magic support character? Celes - an honorable mention to Alma from FFT as M-Barrier gives Haste, Protect, Shell, Regen, and Reraise all at once. But she's only available in two battles :(
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 09:50:05
Really enjoying these responses, and I will be adding best and worst mini games to the second post soon after I have counted all the answers up.
Another question asked soon.
Ragnarok.Ravant
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By Ragnarok.Ravant 2013-05-06 10:04:12
You know as much as I thought this thread was going to turn into a huge war, it's awesome to read about all the things I've forgotten about the past Final Fantasies and feeling all the nostalgia.
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 10:20:17
You know as much as I thought this thread was going to turn into a huge war, it's awesome to read about all the things I've forgotten about the past Final Fantasies and feeling all the nostalgia.
Then the thread is doing what I hoped it would :) It has also shown me things that I never previously knew.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 10:33:57
After reviewing players responses to the last questions, I have decided on the following.
Best Mini Games?
Gold Saucer Mini-Games (FFVII)
Tetra Master (FFIX)
Worst Mini Games?
Jump Rope (FFIX)
Games like Triple Triad, Hot N' Cold and Blitzball recieved a lot of positive and negative attention, so I honestly cannot add them to either category, as they are more personal preference.
Gold Saucer games generally got a lot of positive answers with a couple of exceptions (Arm Wrestling, Moogle Game, Chocobo Racing), while Tetra Master got a lot of positive as well, despite not awarding anything for playing it.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-06 10:53:08
To elaborate on Chac:
Quote: Chac is a difficult enemy. She can petrify characters with her Stony Glare attack, which works regardless of immunities but can be evaded with high Evasion and Luck stats. Chac uses Hunter's Gaze on the target it is going to petrify that can also inflict Poison. Chac can break a petrified character with her Bash attack, removing them from battle. Because of this, it is good to pack extra Softs and Remedies to cure them before it happens. Chac's ultimate attack, Heaven's Cataract, does large amounts of damage to multiple characters and can also break them if they are petrified. Chac's physical attacks ignore Protect.
As with all Basilisks, Chac does not use Heaven's Cataract in Oversoul form and many consider Chac to be easier in Oversoul. The Oversoul attack pattern includes four additional attack types: Destroy Soft and Destroy Remedy, that also do damage, and are used unless an Alchemist is in the party; Bash replaces them. It can use MP Break to drain all of a character's MP, and on characters at half health or below, an attack that does no damage, Hunter's Gaze, is sometimes used. The net effect is a significant reduction in overall damage per time and even risk of KO.
 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-06 10:54:18
Who complained about Blitzball? I also liked Hot and cold.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-06 11:08:05
I liked it, just progression was pretty slow :<
Ragnarok.Ravant
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By Ragnarok.Ravant 2013-05-06 11:25:21
Blitzball was a great idea for a game it was just made before its time I think. If blitzball was its own game now and actually had more work put into it I feel like it was be great but as it was in FFX it was pretty terrible.
Edit: Although I sucked pretty bad at it so im sure that has a lot to do with my hatred towards it as well
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 11:27:58
My only problem was it just got way too easy as it went on, all you needed to do was recruit some free agents then it was impossible to lose.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 12:13:01
The Hardest Bosses in the series?
Originally the question was asking which is the hardest boss of them all. However this is a very broad question, and it will always come down to a players experience, and which games they have played.
There are bosses which are exceptionally difficult within the storyline if not properly prepared for (Demon Wall in FF7 comes to mind) while super bosses will always be difficult even with the greatest of stats, weapons and abilities.
Other bosses were once impossible to defeat, like the two monsters you see above. Two forces of evil that would laugh at the inferiority of their opponents, now can be easily defeated by the majority.
Some bosses continue to be difficult, whereas others are exceptionally hard unless you use a particular move or bug that ends the fight easier. (Zanmato on Penance comes to mind)
What I am looking for, are THE hardest fights from each Final Fantasy Game. This question may take some time to complete, and it would be interesting to see which monsters people believe are the hardest of them all.
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Ragnarok.Ravant
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By Ragnarok.Ravant 2013-05-06 12:17:05
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-06 12:17:48
Chocoboeater wasn't hard...nothing in FFX was hard actually once you get Celestial weapons.
Sylph.Knala
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By Sylph.Knala 2013-05-06 12:20:32
... just a reminder knights of the round summon was only in the na version... I dislike considering it cannon especially since it was all kinds of overpowered.
- The best game - ff3, 5, 6, 9
- The best lead character - zidane
- The best support character - vivi, steiner
- The most evil villain - kefka hands down
- The game with the best music - all of them?
- The game with the best battle and level system - tactics hands down, did enjoy 10's hotswap sidelined characters with no penalty tjough.
- The greatest special ability - ff5 dw combo'd with hunters x-fight = 8x9999 per character.
- The best main storyline - 5, 9
- The worst main storyline - 10, 12, 13
- The best jobs - calculators (or w/e they were called from tactics)
- The biggest spam move ever - fight <.< it is technically an ability especially optional for the mimic class in ff5
- The weakest party character ever - krillin possibly yamcha >.>;
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon - bahanut hands down
- The best damage dealing character - technically tidus with his ultimate weapon doing his final limit break...
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 12:25:43
... just a reminder knights of the round summon was only in the na version... I dislike considering it cannon especially since it was all kinds of overpowered.
What?? I am absolutely sure I am English who was playing FFVII and killed Emerald and Ruby with Knights of the Round?
This actually has nothing to do with what anybody has said in the last few pages, so I am confused.
Edit: Just for the sake of randomness, I found a nice picture of KOTR and added it to the second post.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 12:31:53
Chocoboeater wasn't hard...nothing in FFX was hard actually once you get Celestial weapons.
Penance and Nemesis without using Zanmato?
Ragnarok.Xenophire
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By Ragnarok.Xenophire 2013-05-06 13:36:49
Ozmaaaaa.
Even if you completed the friendly monster side-quest, he could still wipe you're entire party in 10 seconds.
Ozma: *uses Meteor and hits everyone for 9k+* MWAHAHAHA! Wha-?
*Everyone had Auto-Life*
Ozma: NOT ON MY WATCH! *Uses Curse and hits everyone for 8k+*
Party: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-05-06 13:43:44
Ok I will make a post on what I believe are the hardest bosses, and if anyone wants to disagree on the choices, then let me know :)
Ragnarok.Xenophire
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By Ragnarok.Xenophire 2013-05-06 13:53:51
Totally disregarding his HP, Yiazmat deserves to be on there, too. Having to Lure and Reverse spam that entire fight, lol. I wouldn't last 2 seconds.
Also, XII had an interesting Judge fight in the International version that looks extremely tough, too.
Vercingetorix from XIII as well. Again, despite 15m HP, Wicked Whirl is naught to be laughed at. Requiring the Paradigm Deck: Tortoise just to survive. Also, almost required to use Poison just to help stabilize his HP restoration during Impenetrable Aura.
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By Asura.Xenophire 2013-05-06 14:04:53
Also, Giant of Babil from IV DS!
Honestly, a lot of the super-bosses should go on this list. I didn't find any of the Weapons hard from VII, Omega Weapon wasn't terrible from VIII.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2013-05-06 14:19:34
Chocoboeater wasn't hard...nothing in FFX was hard actually once you get Celestial weapons.
Dark Magus Sisters were a pain, Dark Shiva can be rough if your AGI isn't close to maxed, Dark Anima is an endurance fight, Dark Bahamut is tough if you haven't worked out the Impulse pattern and Penance needs no introduction.
Nemesis is also reasonably tough and the Greater Sphere and Neslug can be pains in the *** too. Shinryu can be rough depending.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-06 14:21:56
I'll concede Dark Magus. First time I met them didn't even know dark summons existed, Delta Attack on first round and oneshot all party.
As I sit here during the maintenance, I would like to begin an idea I conjured up while working. Simply put, I would like to find out what everyone believes are the absolute best and worst aspects of the Final Fantasy series.
I watched some youtube videos last night, and it seems a lot of the "Top 5" videos are pretty biased, as some youtube users like different FF more then others.
When it comes to FF, I am good at being unbiased. I can admit to playing FF1, 2, 12 and 13 without clearing them, while completing the following titles: FF Mystic Quest, FF 4, 5, 6, 7, 7 DOC, 8, 9, 10, and 10-2. I would love to include FFXI in this, as anyone who makes a list of the series best and worst tends to leave it out for some unknown reason... like they don't want it to exist??
I can admit to never playing FF3, 13-2, Crisis Core or any other I have not listed, so help may be needed on those.
So you may be thinking, how will we decide? What aspects of the game should we look into? Below is a list of questions that I would like to see answered.
- The best game?
- The best lead character?
- The best support character? (Basically any good character who you can party with, who is NOT the lead character. I do not mean support like a Mage.)
- The most evil villain?
- The game with the best music?
- The game with the best battle and level system?
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.)
- The hardest boss fight ever?
- The rarest item ever?
- The rarest fight?
- The hardest weapon to make?
- The best main storyline?
- The worst main storyline?
- The best jobs?
- The worst jobs?
- The most pointless quests ever?
- The hardest quests to complete?
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage)
- The biggest glitches that benefit you?
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party)
- The hardest end boss?
- The most useful magic spell ever?
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
- The best mini-game?
- The worst mini-game?
- The best tank character. (PLD, High defense etc.)
- The best damage dealing character
- The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.)
Can you think of anymore??? If you can, let me know and I shall add it to the list.
I will reserve a post below to show the results, so you people do not have to go looking for them. Also I would like to ask these questions randomly (maybe more then one at a time) and keep them up until we have a sufficient answer. You can simply vote on what you feel is right, and by explaining your answers, you may encourage others to agree with you and vote the same way.
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