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 Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 12:48:33  
As I sit here during the maintenance, I would like to begin an idea I conjured up while working. Simply put, I would like to find out what everyone believes are the absolute best and worst aspects of the Final Fantasy series.



I watched some youtube videos last night, and it seems a lot of the "Top 5" videos are pretty biased, as some youtube users like different FF more then others.

When it comes to FF, I am good at being unbiased. I can admit to playing FF1, 2, 12 and 13 without clearing them, while completing the following titles: FF Mystic Quest, FF 4, 5, 6, 7, 7 DOC, 8, 9, 10, and 10-2. I would love to include FFXI in this, as anyone who makes a list of the series best and worst tends to leave it out for some unknown reason... like they don't want it to exist??

I can admit to never playing FF3, 13-2, Crisis Core or any other I have not listed, so help may be needed on those.

So you may be thinking, how will we decide? What aspects of the game should we look into? Below is a list of questions that I would like to see answered.

- The best game?
- The best lead character?
- The best support character? (Basically any good character who you can party with, who is NOT the lead character. I do not mean support like a Mage.)
- The most evil villain?
- The game with the best music?
- The game with the best battle and level system?
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.)
- The hardest boss fight ever?
- The rarest item ever?
- The rarest fight?
- The hardest weapon to make?
- The best main storyline?
- The worst main storyline?
- The best jobs?
- The worst jobs?
- The most pointless quests ever?
- The hardest quests to complete?
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage)
- The biggest glitches that benefit you?
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party)
- The hardest end boss?
- The most useful magic spell ever?
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
- The best mini-game?
- The worst mini-game?
- The best tank character. (PLD, High defense etc.)
- The best damage dealing character
- The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.)

Can you think of anymore??? If you can, let me know and I shall add it to the list.

I will reserve a post below to show the results, so you people do not have to go looking for them. Also I would like to ask these questions randomly (maybe more then one at a time) and keep them up until we have a sufficient answer. You can simply vote on what you feel is right, and by explaining your answers, you may encourage others to agree with you and vote the same way.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 12:49:05  
The Results

Weakest Party Character - Edward Chris von Muir (FFIV)



The Evilest Villain - Kefka Palazzo (FFVI)



Hardest End Boss - Cloud of Darkness (FFIII)



Best Summons - Bahamut, Shiva, Knights of the Round, Odin


Best Special Abilities - Limit Breaks

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Worst Job Classes - Mime, Animist


Most Useful Magic Spell - Any form of "Cure"

Hardest Weapons To Obtain - Mythics (FFXI), Tournesol (FFXII), Excalibur II (FFIX)



Hardest Boss Fights
FFI - Warmech
FFII - Emperor (End Boss)
FFIII - Cloud of Darkness (End Boss)
FFIII(DS) - Iron Giant
FFIV - Zeromus (End Boss)
FFIV(GBA/PSP) - Zeromus EG
FFIV(DS) - Proto-Babil
FFV - Neo Shinryu
FFVI - Kaiser Dragon
FFVII - Ruby Weapon
FFVIII - Omega Weapon
FFIX - Ozma
FFX - Nemesis (Penance for PAL/International versions)
FFX-2 - Trema
FFXI - Absolute Virtue (Pre-ZNM), Pandemonium Warden (Until update and level cap increase)
FFXII - Yiazmat/Omega
FFXIII - Barthandelus/Brynhildr
FFXIII-2 - Caius Ballad/Yomi
FFT - Velius

Rarest Fights
FF1 - Warmech
FFII - Iron Giant
FFIII - Dragons in Crystal Tower
FFIV - Flan Princess
FFV - Stingray
FFXI - Voluptuous Vilma, Defoliate Leshy
FFXII - Red Chocobo (99)
FFXIII-2 - Xolotl, Miquiztli, Tezcatlipoca

Rarest Items
Pink Tail (FFIV) - Used to make Adamant Armor, but only drops from Flan Princess 1/64 times, and the battle appears 1/64.
Onion Equipment (FFIII) - The best equipment in the game, drops from Dragons in the Crystal Tower, however dragons are rare, and the drop rate is also low (1-8% depending on piece).

Best Mini-Games
Gold Saucer games (FFVII)
Tetra Master (FFIX)

Worst Mini-Games

Jump Rope (FFIX)

Most Useful Glitches
Item Duplication
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-29 12:59:00  
I'll just answer a few. I expect this thread to turn into a bloody war.

- The best game? 11!
- The best lead character? Zidane
- The most evil villain? Kefka
- The game with the best battle and level system? 9, tactic series
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) The End ofc
- The best main storyline? 9
- The worst main storyline? 12
- The best jobs? dragoon
- The worst jobs? animist
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Bahamut, Carby, Shiva, Levi, Quetzy, Odin, Famfrit, Tonberry
- The best mini-game? Blitzball
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By Bismarck.Misao 2013-04-29 13:00:41  
- The best game?
FF6
- The best lead character?
Zidane
- The best support (Party) character?
Celes
- The most evil villain?
Kefka
- The game with the best music?
FF Theatherythm
- The game with the best battle and level system?
not FF2
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.)
idk
- The hardest boss fight ever?
Ruby Weapon FF7
- The rarest item ever?
idk
- The rarest fight?
idk
- The hardest weapon to make?
idk
- The best main storyline?
idk
- The worst main storyline?
ff14
- The best jobs?
whm
- The worst jobs?
whm
- The most pointless quests ever?
idk
- The hardest quests to complete?
the 100 floor magic tower
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage)
Knights of the round FF7
- The biggest glitches that benefit you?
idk
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party)
that spoony bard
- The hardest end boss?
idk
- The most useful magic spell ever?
Ultima or Cure
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
Shiva
- The best mini-game?
Gold Saucer Choco racing
- The worst mini-game?
FF8's card game
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-04-29 13:12:32  
- The best game? Final Fantasy Tactics
- The best lead character? Ramza / Cloud (I know Cloud gets a shitty rap for being emo, but I recently played the game again and he's not as emo as they make him out to be in Advent Children. He's a pretty well rounded character, but his speech patterns are all over the place.)
- The best support (Party) character? Tifa, story-wise
- The most evil villain? Delita is the most evil in the human sense of the word. Supernaturally, I'd say Kefka.
- The game with the best battle and level system? FFT
- The hardest boss fight ever? Weigraf / Velius, at least when I was unprepared for it in my first play-through years ago.
- The hardest weapon to make? Excalibur II / That FFXII weapon
- The best main storyline? FFT
- The worst main storyline? FFXII
- The best jobs? My favorite jobs are: Archer, Lancer, Knight, Monk, Chemist
- The worst jobs? Mime
- The hardest quests to complete? Excalibur II, FFIX
- The biggest spam move ever? Lion Heart
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? W-item
- The weakest party character ever? Aeris (Super low HP, high magic but Materia reduces HP and offense further, forcing her into a niche in a game where characters are defined only by their limit breaks.)
- The most useful magic spell ever? Big Guard
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Bahamut Form Zero is my favorite, but not the best by far. Single hit, after all.
- The best mini-game? FFIX chocobo garden
- The worst mini-game? FFVII chocobo raising
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 13:12:33  
Before people start making huge lists, let me say once again, it is much better if each question is tackled in a proper way. I will be making a post for the first question very soon! I just need to do a little research first so it looks like I know what I'm talking about :p

In this manner we can have discussions, and come to an agreement on the final answer based on the majority of votes. (I wish I could just make a poll, it would be much easier)
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2013-04-29 13:13:04  
My list, my opinions.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-29 13:15:17  
Ok, I'll start the flamewar:

Bismarck.Faelar said: »
- The best support (Party) character?
Rosa
Seriously???
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-04-29 13:16:21  
- The best game?
FF6
- The best lead character?
Cecil (FF4)
- The best support (Party) character?
Auron
- The most evil villain?
Kefka
- The game with the best music?
FF6
- The game with the best battle and level system?
FFX
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.)
Omnislash (FF7)
- The hardest boss fight ever?
Emerald Weapon (FF7)
- The rarest item ever?
LuLu's final weapon
- The hardest weapon to make?
Lulu's final weapon
- The best main storyline?
FF6
- The worst main storyline?
FF13, 13-2.
- The best jobs?
Blue Mage
- The most pointless quests ever?
All of them?
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage)
Quick Hit (FFX)
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party)
Cait Sith (FF7)
- The hardest end boss?
None?
- The most useful magic spell ever?
Haste
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
Yojimbo (FFX)
- The best mini-game?
Blitzball (FFX)
- The worst mini-game?
Blitzball (FFX-2)
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2013-04-29 13:20:43  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Ok, I'll start the flamewar:

Bismarck.Faelar said: »
- The best support (Party) character?
Rosa
Seriously???


2 words: White Mage.

Plus I'm a little biased because FFIV is my absolute favorite.

All I could think of at the moment. I'm sure I missed several, I'm just too tired to think right now.
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2013-04-29 13:22:37  
- The best game? FF6.
- The best lead character? Cecil Harvey or Ramza Beoulve.
- The best support (Party) character? Kain Highwind.
- The most evil villain? Kefka, no contest.
- The game with the best music? FF6.
- The game with the best battle and level system? Final Fantasy Tactics.
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) Limit breaks.
- The hardest boss fight ever? Yiazmat.
- The best main storyline? FF6.
- The worst main storyline? FF2.
- The best jobs? Dragoon, Samurai, Paladin, Red Mage, White Mage.
- The worst jobs? Black Mage, Monk, Ranger.
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage) That one move in FF5 where you could attack four times
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party) Edward from FF4
- The hardest end boss? Zeromus in the PS1 version
- The most useful magic spell ever? Cure?
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Knights of the Round is really badass. Also Eden.
- The best mini-game? Tetra Master/Triple Triad.
- The worst mini-game? MOTHERFUCKING BLITZBALL SERIOUSLY *** THAT ***
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-04-29 13:23:37  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Ok, I'll start the flamewar:

Bismarck.Faelar said: »
- The best support (Party) character?
Rosa
Seriously???

Lol thats the biggest debate, I just made a safe pick, but its a huge list of great supporting characters...Rydia, Locke, Tifa, Vincent, Vivi, Auron...list kinda stops at 10..Final Fantasy has taken a dive in character quality recently.
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By Ragnarok.Deathshift 2013-04-29 13:23:52  
- The best game? 6
- The best lead character? Zack
- The best support (Party) character? Adelle (FFTA2)
- The most evil villain? Kefka
- The game with the best music? Crisis Core
- The game with the best battle and level system? FFT/FFTA/FFTA2
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) Grand Lethal
- The hardest boss fight ever? Minerva (Crisis Core)
- The rarest item ever? Economizer
- The hardest weapon to make? I don't know if I would consider it the hardest, but Zidane's Ultima Weapon was extremely annoying to get. <_>
- The best main storyline? 6
- The worst main storyline? 8
- The best jobs? Nightshade / Heritor
- The hardest end boss? Cloud of Darkness
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Ark (FF9)
- The best mini-game? Tetra Master
- The worst mini-game? Chocobo Hot and Cold
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2013-04-29 13:24:44  
Now when you say Support, do you mean support as in a movie sense (like a supporting actor) or a support as in overall usefulness to the party?
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 13:24:49  


The most Evil Villain in all of Final Fantasy?

What makes a true villain? Is it power? Is it insanity? Or is it a combination of a lot of things, put together like an elegant dish that may be served as cold or hot as you like?

Lets list some of these antagonists. Of course, if I have not listed any, then you may tell me and I will add it.
Click the spoiler for the list.

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By Bismarck.Rydin 2013-04-29 13:26:54  
The best game?
Final Fantasy IV

The best lead character?
Cecil (FF4), Zidane (FF9)

The best support (Party) character?
Rydia (FF4)

The most evil villain?
Kefka (FF6)

The game with the best music?
Every game with Nobou Uematsu's soundtracks

The game with the best battle and level system?
Final Fantasy 7

The greatest special ability?|
Limit Breaks (FF7)

The hardest boss fight ever?
Necron (FF9)

The rarest item ever?
Onion Knight equipment (FF3)

The rarest fight?
Can't think of one

The hardest weapon to make?
Spirit Lance (Khimari FF10)

The best main storyline?
Final Fantasy 9

The worst main storyline?
Final Fantasy 13

The best jobs?
Dragoon, Ninja, Samurai, Warrior, Red Mage, Thief, Knight, Blue Mage, Ranger(Archer), and Summoner

The worst jobs?
Bard

The most pointless quests ever?
Can't think of one

The hardest quests to complete?
Lightning Bolt Dodging and Butterfly Catching (FF10)

The biggest spam move ever?
Mime (FF7)

The biggest glitches that benefit you?
Unlimited stamina in Chocobo Racing (FF7)

The weakest party character ever?
Edward (FF4)

The hardest end boss?
Necron (FF9)

The most useful magic spell ever?
Aura (FF8)

The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
Yojimbo (FF10)

The best mini-game?
Battle Square (FF7)

The worst mini-game?
Chocobo Hot & Cold (FF9)

The best tank character. (PLD, High defense etc.)
Cecil (FF4)

The best damage dealing character
Kain (FF4)

The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.)
Rosa (FF4)
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 13:27:53  
Bismarck.Faelar said: »
Now when you say Support, do you mean support as in a movie sense (like a supporting actor) or a support as in overall usefulness to the party?

Basically anyone who is a good guy, who you can use in a party, but is NOT the lead character.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-29 13:28:17  
Kefka is the most evil cause he enjoys destruction itself with no other end to it.
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By Valefor.Ivaan 2013-04-29 13:30:22  
The best game?
tactics no wait! ff4 no wait! ff9! no wait ff6!
- The best lead character?
Cecil
- The best support (Party) character?
Orlandu (duh hes the strongest ever!) but seriously support wise Rosa i guess
- The most evil villain?
Kefka
- The game with the best music?
ff 9
- The game with the best battle and level system?
ff 7 (Materia system was amazing)
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.)
Ultima from ff9. it destroyed the world no? lol
- The hardest boss fight ever?
ff tactics with the 4 hydra and the boss with the elemental gun,
second to last fight... yeah.
- The rarest item ever?
anything you try to farm in ff11
- The rarest fight?
idk
- The hardest weapon to make?
ecalibur 2 from ff9
- The best main storyline?
ff tactics
- The worst main storyline?
8
- The best jobs?
dark knight / paladin / any holy knight / swordsman class form tactics
- The worst jobs?
puppetmaster, dancer, whatever Gau was from 6.... mime.
- The most pointless quests ever?
idk
- The hardest quests to complete?
airship fight ff11 pre adjustments
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage)
AOE Comet in ff7 lol
- The biggest glitches that benefit you?
idk
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party)
Gau ff6

- The hardest end boss?
Pandemonium warden at 75 cap
- The most useful magic spell ever?
curaga
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon?
Bahamut
- The best mini-game?
tetra master ff9
- The worst mini-game?
anything from ff7 in that mini game area
- Lamest villian of all time?
Sephiroth! he is no bad *** at all and if you really played ff7 you would agree. Remember when he stabbed cloud right through the chest and cloud picked him up and tossed him like a sack off a bridge? yeah. tldr or w/e: hes all hype yo!
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 13:30:37  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Kefka is the most evil cause he enjoys destruction itself with no other end to it.

I can agree with that. He has absolutely no remorse, and has fun killing people. He has no sad back story, hes just a bad man who wants to see the world burn.

Does anybody dispute Kefka being the most evil character in all of Final Fantasy?
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2013-04-29 13:32:01  
I'd actually like to talk about Tactics. I feel that game is the most underrated game in the series, since it's not actually a numbered game.

The exploration of 'heroism', shown through the conflicting ideologies of Ramza and Delita, is something that I haven't seen done as well in any other game.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-29 13:33:21  
I could play FFTA2 forever and never get bored. Really fun game.
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By Valefor.Ivaan 2013-04-29 13:34:46  
Phoenix.Dabackpack said: »
I'd actually like to talk about Tactics. I feel that game is the most underrated game in the series, since it's not actually a numbered game.

The exploration of 'heroism', shown through the conflicting ideologies of Ramza and Delita, is something that I haven't seen done as well in any other game.


everyone feel free to discuss this! I second you!
Even though it isnt a typical game of its era ( in terms of combat) the story line, character struggle, even class struggle seen between characters is just quire amazing.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 13:35:27  
Added three new questions and added an explanation on "The best support character" question.

- The best tank character. (PLD, High defense etc.)
- The best damage dealing character
- The best magic support character (WHM, cures etc.)

Of course, contributions will be recorded, but I will only be looking for answers to one or two at a time, and this will be ongoing til the majority are in agreement.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2013-04-29 13:36:23  
- The best game? FFIX
- The best lead character? Zidane
- The best support (Party) character? Balthier
- The most evil villain? Kefka
- The game with the best music? FFX
- The game with the best battle and level system? For level system it's easily X but battle it's XII
- The greatest special ability? (2 hours, Limit Breaks, Overdrives, Trance etc.) Lionheart, so VIII's Limit Breaks
- The hardest boss fight ever? Yiazmat
- The hardest weapon to make? Tournesol in XII
- The best main storyline? FFIX
- The worst main storyline? FFXIII
- The hardest quests to complete? Card game in VIII
- The biggest spam move ever? (As in, you repeat the move constantly for an advantage) Quickenings if you're quick enough (>_>) or Zell's Armageddon Fist
- The biggest glitches that benefit you? The item duplication in VII?
- The weakest party character ever? (Can be any character who you can "control" in a party) I'm gonna say Selphie even though "The End" is pretty damn broken
- The hardest end boss? Necron because of his annoying status effects
- The most useful magic spell ever? Haste
- The greatest summon/esper/eidolon? Strongest and also one of the worst is Yojimbo
- The best mini-game? Chocobo Hot and Cold
- The worst mini-game? Jump rope
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-04-29 13:36:24  
Phoenix.Dabackpack said: »
I'd actually like to talk about Tactics. I feel that game is the most underrated game in the series, since it's not actually a numbered game.

The exploration of 'heroism', shown through the conflicting ideologies of Ramza and Delita, is something that I haven't seen done as well in any other game.
The game was incredibly well written, but it is more along the lines of the Tactics Ogre series, than the Final Fantasy series. It's unfortunate that there hasn't been anything further from that line. I was sorely disappointed in the FFTA games. They were good upon their own merits, but didn't compare to the original at all.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-29 13:37:18  
Best tank: Summons in FFX
Best dd: Zell Dincht
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By Valefor.Ivaan 2013-04-29 13:40:09  
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Phoenix.Dabackpack said: »
I'd actually like to talk about Tactics. I feel that game is the most underrated game in the series, since it's not actually a numbered game.

The exploration of 'heroism', shown through the conflicting ideologies of Ramza and Delita, is something that I haven't seen done as well in any other game.
The game was incredibly well written, but it is more along the lines of the Tactics Ogre series, than the Final Fantasy series. It's unfortunate that there hasn't been anything further from that line. I was sorely disappointed in the FFTA games. They were good upon their own merits, but didn't compare to the original at all.

Are you referring to ffta as in like tactics advance and said spin offs only and not war of the lions?

I am wondering if you played ff tactics war of the lions on psp. I was seriously considering buying one just for that game bc you can become a dark knight lol. I would be sad if you said it was worse than original tactics....
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-29 13:40:22  
So is everyone in absolute agreement that the most evil villain ever is Kefka? (rate up to agree)



Are you a member of the Cult of Kefka?
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By Valefor.Ivaan 2013-04-29 13:41:11  
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
So is everyone in absolute agreement that the most evil villain ever is Kefka? (rate up to agree)



Are you a member of the Cult of Kefka?

definitely the most evil character of any game.
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