[Dev] Matsui: Delve And Content Level

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[Dev] Matsui: Delve and Content Level
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2013-06-22 11:58:12  
By now if you arent getting 80k a run you are gimp /gg

People are farming the gear so leave them be. Lixirs are crashing anyways. I dont really see what business it is of anyone of how someone runs their group honestly
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By Bismarck.Bloodbeat 2013-06-22 12:26:39  
Surely the problem will be that people will find it harder to get groups the longer the content exists?
The shelf life of content in this game is pretty bad. Once a lot of people get to the point where they don't need to clear something or they acquire the base unit to upgrade, that is where the majority of the traffic goes.
If you're unlucky enough to not get to this point early in the content's life, chances are you won't break into it.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2013-06-22 12:43:20  
Bismarck.Bloodbeat said: »
Surely the problem will be that people will find it harder to get groups the longer the content exists?
The shelf life of content in this game is pretty bad. Once a lot of people get to the point where they don't need to clear something or they acquire the base unit to upgrade, that is where the majority of the traffic goes.
If you're unlucky enough to not get to this point early in the content's life, chances are you won't break into it.
Yea but thats when the market rises and people do it again. Same with currency really. Also the reason cinder has risen to 1.4m and plates back to 90k
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By Chyula 2013-06-22 12:49:29  
I don't have problem with ppl not having REM, but at least make the effort to get a Delve weapon for Delve NM+Boss run(exclude plasm farm). The same goes with back line job, just because you have good gear on your whm doesn't mean ***. under 100 on barspells when I require high enhancing skill whm I don't even know wtf anymore, ppl think they can sneak in for a freebie and the geo pretend to have high skill when the refresh tick sell them out -.-., then there is the rdm very critical job for kurma that can't dispel. If you can't make the small effort of getting a delve weapon or raise the magic skill before joining a NM+boss pug then you don't deserve an invite.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2013-06-22 13:05:00  
Chyula said: »
I don't have problem with ppl not having REM, but at least make the effort to get a Delve weapon for Delve NM+Boss run(exclude plasm farm). The same goes with back line job, just because you have good gear on your whm doesn't mean ***. under 100 on barspells when I require high enhancing skill whm I don't even know wtf anymore, ppl think they can sneak in for a freebie and the geo pretend to have high skill when the refresh tick sell them out -.-., then there is the rdm very critical job for kurma that can't dispel. If you can't make the small effort of getting a delve weapon or raise the magic skill before joining a NM+boss pug then you don't deserve an invite.
I actually require delve Weapon DD for my plasm runs. Its a sign of effort. (Sometimes Lol) And when they buff REM ill require those.
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By Tymoris 2013-06-22 13:25:20  
I disagree there it's not a sign of anything, apart from the fact that these are your standards and obviously since you make the run you decide what will be more effective for you.

As I see it from what little experience I have the delve content is designed for a specific kind of players and it will be rendered qucikly very stale as more people acquire the weapons from there.

Considering that in Asura wins are already being sold I think that starts to be the case.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2013-06-22 13:59:22  
Tymoris said: »
I disagree there it's not a sign of anything, apart from the fact that these are your standards and obviously since you make the run you decide what will be more effective for you.

As I see it from what little experience I have the delve content is designed for a specific kind of players and it will be rendered qucikly very stale as more people acquire the weapons from there.

Considering that in Asura wins are already being sold I think that starts to be the case.
I dont think anyone on bismarck sells the wins so it takes a bit of a brain to do them
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By Tymoris 2013-06-22 14:12:23  
Or they don't have enough brains to do finish them easy:P

Still the thing is that these things get stale very fast the way SE designed it.
Pretty much you have content that applies to a very limited set of people.
Personally that's why I think there are so many cases of people underskilled like Chyula mentioned. They figure they will try for such "freebies" since they figure it's the only way to achieve anything at this point.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2013-06-22 14:35:42  
Tymoris said: »
Or they don't have enough brains to do finish them easy:P

Still the thing is that these things get stale very fast the way SE designed it.
Pretty much you have content that applies to a very limited set of people.
Personally that's why I think there are so many cases of people underskilled like Chyula mentioned. They figure they will try for such "freebies" since they figure it's the only way to achieve anything at this point.
I used a sac when i did this personally but 1 pld sacing all 5 just opened up room for more dd and no dedicated healers so it just increases the yield
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By Enuyasha 2013-06-22 21:27:20  
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Tymoris said: »
Or they don't have enough brains to do finish them easy:P

Still the thing is that these things get stale very fast the way SE designed it.
Pretty much you have content that applies to a very limited set of people.
Personally that's why I think there are so many cases of people underskilled like Chyula mentioned. They figure they will try for such "freebies" since they figure it's the only way to achieve anything at this point.
I used a sac when i did this personally but 1 pld sacing all 5 just opened up room for more dd and no dedicated healers so it just increases the yield
Actually, if you get 1 dedicated WHM, a BRD who only has to occasionally redo PLD/WHM songs, and a good SCH, that leaves you three spaces for a three man DD group that can work in either camp. SACing is an excuse for not wanting to find a third WHM ,BRD ,or SCH because DD fall like rain during typhoon season.
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By Luvbunny1 2013-06-27 18:52:35  
Matsui just posted another update on this topic, check the thread and start flooding the official forum with what you want as low man content and the ability to skip contents that are not interesting, play the way you want. He specifically ask for feedback on what you want as players.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/34679-Item-Levels?p=449086#post449086
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