IiPunch - Monk Guide

Im going to call BS on the damage being increased if you wait longer. While it seemed to buff VS and shinjin slightly (could have been due to a crit or a miss), I did use a dmg 1 club and brainshaker and didnt see a difference in damage when comparing boost+nowait+ws and boost+wait around 35 s+wait

Assuming it's applied outside of ftp and wsc and such similar to SA but as a multiplier instead of just added on it would more or less be a dmg increase similar to what you'd expect a normal hit would increase by which on a 1 dmg club is pretty small

wrong because you dont weaponskill with dmg 1 but with the total wsc.

Yes, but that likely doesn't apply to Boost, which adda damage after.

Yeah I don't think you read what I wrote (seriously I even used SA as an example that isn't effected by wsc) so let me put some math to it. I'm purposing it could look something like so though not necessarily exactly like

Boosted ws = pdif(ftp(weapon dmg + fstr +wsc)+ boost multiplier(weapon dmg+ fstr))

I'd hardly consider this an adequate test, but with a 19s Boost vs. Tunnel Worms:
Shoulder Tackle w/o Boost: 1969, 2011, 2047, 2052, 2046
Shoulder Tackle @14~15s remaining: 2093, 2213, 2132, 2146
Shoulder Tackle @13s remaining: 2169
Shoulder Tackle @9s remaining: 2285
Shoulder Tackle @3~5s remaining: 2525, 2472, 2551, 2488, 2488

Looks like it did something.

I was seeing around a 13% increase to waiting until 2 sec on howling and shoulder tackle in escha zitah on the efts with 261 str. I tried in sky, but I started getting weird numbers. I was getting the same tp return on the same enemy types (gargs and the sharks) but 40%+ spikes on a few boosted ws's (10-11K non-boost with 2 instances of 15K spikes with boost). It was not a large sample, so caution in consideration of the sky numbers.

I suggest using low variance WS for testing to avoid crit spikes. raging, asuran and shijin are good candidates. Also dont use one shottable mobs.

waaa waaa waaa. No one is feeling entitled to ***here.
I'm not saying ANYTHING other than MNK sucks ***, its pathetic.

Get it through all of your heads,
M O N K S U C K S.

Stop writing walls of text about why I think it sucks or what my own personal reasons for playing or wanting it not to suck are -

I T S U C K S

Entitled: I'm not asking other people to clear my aeonics. I'm using my own character(s). I'll tell you who the entitled ones are - the one's who INSIST on their MNKs and THFs being invited to Aeonic T4 runs, adding 350k HP to an NM and only taking away 100-150k of that off through DMG, leaving 200-250k HP to be covered by the SMN. Entitled.. really.. Enjoy your Aeonics leeches.

Isn't ironic how the lamest job get so much forum activty?

Best post in entire thread.

Stop whining!

Besides, what's the point of all that elite gear if you don't challenge yourself by making the routine grind of the T4 cycle a bit more difficult once in a while :D

Too many people had their hopes up, and they were crushed. Right now MNK sucks largely because it's two weapon categories, H2H and Staff, both have shitty WS's that are difficult to exploit. H2H has decent SC options but their damage output is weak so their best role is that of the SC linker enabling a stronger DD to exploit their WS's for big SC's. Unfortunately they don't have access to distortion or even a scission WS to form distortion, which hurts them somewhat. On the bright side their massive subtle blow means they can do that role without adding too much TP to the enemy. This isn't enough to justify using them over someone like a COR, BLU, NIN, or other light DD doing the linker role.

Example of a linked SC
VS -> Rudra's -> Asuran -> Stacked Rudra's

Only reason I'm posting this is because it was way out of the ordinary for me (pre-update anyway), but I landed a wait-boosted ~19,000 dmg 3ktp howling fist on an Aern last night in Escha Ru'Aun (and only received 76 tp back, meaning off-hand hit didn't land, so it would have done more damage if the enemy had higher hp, right?). Highest HF I've ever done on those.

Buffs were berserk and boost, no food.

I wasn't testing anything I was just soloing and tried to wait out the boost before weaponskilling. Because the damage was so much higher than normal [I'm usually lucky to get 10k howling fists, on a good day] I thought I'd share.

When people stop saying "mnk is fine", i'll stop "whining".

Good question. Better question: What's the point of that "elite" gear if it makes a shitty job perform like another job in shitty gear? (probably even less in reality)

Also, I'd probably do 1.5 -2x as much DMG as your MNK in a parse. I just have different standards and expectations of what "good" is, because both of us would still be 15-25% behind an "OK" blu.

People saying MNK is terribad aren't doing so to whale on the job. They're disappointed because they actually like the job. Its the pacifists like you who are saying "meh, its fine" that vex me. Your standards of what is fine is too low. Then you go and claim the haijin highground by saying "challenge yourself and do T4's with shitty MNK". Some cognitive dissonance right there. Me doing shitty content with MNK and winning would be testimony to my abilities to bring out the most in mnk, not MNK's. Much like Avesta solo'ed many many NM/HNMs to prove he was good enough to make RDM work. But who the hell wants to spend 2-3 hours soloing Genbu? SE put time constraints on most content now - so they've eliminated that form of gameplay or tried to.

TLDR;

Misery loves company, and throws its toys out the pram when other people don't share the poutrage.

And clearly, no you don't like the job, what you like are e-peen parses. Because if you did you'd be trying to make the best of an imperfect situation, rather than flailing about angrily at those who are.

More than likely not. The Aern only had enough HP for you to land exactly one hit in that case; It has enough HP survive one hit greater than 16k, You could hit 20k or even 99k in one hit but it wont have enough HP to get a 2nd hit. Just like how you can nuke a lv. 1 rabbit next to Sandoria for 5k+ and we all know very well it only has around 30 HP lol.

It's a good find though, would probably need Apex Targets for more conclusive testing though sincce they have the HP to survive

I think we're saying the same thing, but I'm not entirely sure lol.

I meant if it had had enough hp for the off-hand to land, that would have made the weaponskill do even more damage.

No, he is saying the job is garbage. Because it is.

But I get what you are saying too. Let's add difficulty, everyone. BLMs, nuke without your staves. RNGs, face backwards when shooting. I thought of some more... BLU's don't set any spells and SAM's only use one-handed weapons. NIN's, THF's and DNC's use two-handed weapons... Let's all think of creative ways to gimp jobs down to MNK's level and self-balance.

Inx, we're paying for this game. Why do you think it is unreasonable to expect a job to perform at a similar level of other jobs when it is geared well?

I'm laughing and in tears right now.
I would add "Get NIN to tank without Utsusemi and PLD without a shield" - still better than MNK rofl.

probably more damage too.

considering the block rate of Aegis is most likely floored/close to it on high level targets, this is not far off (sure, PLD is using Aegis because magic damage is the threat...).

it would not surprise me if a PLD who is not needed to tank were to go full out DD and given similar buffs, they could beat out a Monk at this point. makes me wonder which way would be best: Ragnarok and spamming Resolution, or slap on an Almace for CDC & Aftermath/Savage Blade spamming.oh the theory-crafting possibilities!

Well if history has taught us anything, SE usually nerfs stuff rather than buffing stuff. So the changes you mentioned Cherry will be coming soon!

Look, sorry if my "glass-half-full" mindset is getting in the way of people venting, but I stand by everything I've said.

Is the current situation ideal? No, absolutely it isn't, but honestly it is an improvement over how the job was pre-patch.

I could understand the drama if the job had been nerfed into oblivion, but when it just over people's unrealistic hopes being dashed... Excuse me if I don't think its such a big deal.

And yes, you are paying for the GAME. Not just one job out of 22.

If you don't like the level of performance you're getting from a particular job, work on something else for when you NEED that performance, or simply enjoy the additional challenge from working from a position of relative disadvantage.

Its just a game. Its supposed to be fun. Min-maxing has its place, but acting like that's all that the game's about is insane.

I have this mental image of you buying a car, and it's brought out to you with only three wheels.

"Oh, well, I paid for the car, not every individual part. I can find a use for this! At least the radio works. I'll just buy a second car to use when I actually need to drive somewhere."

And then the rest of us are like, "This isn't even a car!!!!!"

Half full of ***.

MNK isn't in any discussions about max anything. It's niche is the "min" side.
You like playing MNK? that's all the more reason to want to see it be competitive isn't it? You might be in a situation now where you can leech do content as MNK because you have friends that tolerate allow it, but that's not the case for everyone else who wants to play MNK.
And your "I use MNK on content like Domain Invasion - you know where no one cares whether you die, kill or just afk" is a real cop out. At this point you're just trolling.
I can apply everything you've said as a justification to dual wield clubs as BLM/NIN.