For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

-SA / TA reduced to 30s base
-TA transfers 20% of thfs current hate along with the hate provided via dmg
-Accomplice reduced to 3m recast(so 1/3 for collab/accomp) if it could target alliance members that would be great.
-Hide always works and is 3m recast
-Give the job some level of subtle blow

Whether hate control is relevant these days or not, THFs usually just not great at it to begin with, job can steal hate a good deal but it has nowhere to place it natively if it could more easily dump or transfer it'd atleast have a fairly unique niche

Yeah I've stated many times, and Nynja's likely correct that THF is kept "weaker" intentionally by SE because of Treasure Hunter. They're still stuck in 2010s era. And I've stated in several other posts, almost every THF job ability has the absolute worst recast times and the least useful modern game application. It's not just a couple, they're ALL bad (minutes SATA which still has a long timer). That's not by accident. I still remember an era before Nyame when THF was absolutely busted on wave3 bosses. That style of fight is no longer a thing

Was talking about this the other day when I saw the new ring. What is TH even used on these days? Maybe Dynamis and Omen?

Besides tagging for Treasure Hunter with Aeolian Edge or Gandring, you don't even proc TH in Omen Swarts. Maybe you do it for Ou on extra drop slot/hands armor. But I'm still not sure it works on bodies or accessories based on how Thorny has described in on the past. Even in dynamis, you just kill and let stuff fall. You might intentionally proc Volte bosses like I said, but that's it. Cloud Of Darkness HTBF? Idk Procing TH doesn't feel worth it anymore.

I literally posted a few posts ago how modern content has almost no need for TH (limbus, sortie, ody) or raising TH beyond tagging and listed examples.

"We're keeping THF weak because it has TH even though we made all jobs have TH4 which is 90% of TH14 increase anyway" gg SE

I'm trying to find the post where they say thf has to be neutered because of TH, and while I cant find it, I did find some gems.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/11492-Screwed-again-Proposed-THF-job-adjustments.?p=153704&viewfull=1#post153704


Granted this is 14 years ago, still hilarious that the thought process is "well you can raise TH, so you dont need Subtle Blow".

Well thief is on the prime dagger is it not? Don't they compare relatively well with a dnc using the same dagger?

In a sustained, engaged fight maybe. DNC isn't even good for that.

I clicked on this thread expecting Somalians.

THF vs DNC in same party with same buffs / debuffs, THF will do more damage. Problem, again, is that you're limited to 6 slots. Why bring THF when you can bring WAR (Warcry for other DDs in PT), DRG (Angon), DNC (haste samba, steps), etc. The straight damage you lose from DNC instead of THF, you more than gain from having haste samba and / or steps...

I hope beyond hope, that they revisit job balancing. They acknowledged it was up there on the survey in their follow-up to it, so maybe I'll get my wish on the 30th anniversary.

By their logic of TH(i know its an old post) drops should be 1% or below without a thf considering how much they weigh it vs actually improving the job

It never used to be this way, because I distinctly remember THF at one point being very close to 2-hander damage in terms of DPS. THF was almost always used before DNC, I would say DNC's current use is more of a modern adaptation of a DD (I still remember CPing in Dho Gates and people laughing "what does that job really do?). People didn't know where to fit it into groups; it couldn't tank well, couldn't heal that great, there were better jobs for zerg (pre Nyame Grand Pas shenanigans, you just brought Mighty Strikes WARs or SAMs to everything), and it was just a niche dagger user that very few people valued/understood. The only time my DNC for years ever got invited to stuff was during the Qiqirn Ambuscade. People like Xolla used it heavy in the JP community, but I don't remember seeing it among NAs until recently.

THF was stronger than DRG before WSD traits. DRK was very slow when LR fell off, and MNK was highly undervalued as a "Weaker" DD (still kinda is, wrongly). Pre Nyame, NIN couldn't keep up with THF at all, and neither could BLU. Everything shifted after Nyame introduction. And Savage Blade of course pretty much destroyed the spike DD landscape, because now everyone could deal damage. So why bring a THF who can ONLY do damage when you can bring a COR, BRD, RDM and DNC who can deal damage AND add buffs/enfeebles? THF didn't age well.

Go back and look at any older videos of harder content clears, there's almost never a video with a DNC in it. There were no "travelling" events like Sortie or Segs where you might want Jig. Box Step and Haste Samba just weren't as mainstream in the rotation of allthebuffs, you normally just brought GEO since Geomancy was absurdly broken. Now that everything nerfs Geomancy, you're forced to bring a secondary source of Defense Down after Dia3 to guarantee attack cap. And of course with the high introduction of PDL gear and Aria, now you really need to hit that cap to see numbers, so DNC fit in perfectly when Geomancy got knocked down a peg. Climactic is also incredibly busted, and THF has nothing comparable to deal that kind of spike damage that quickly. THF simply had nowhere to fit in, just like Veydal said.