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 Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-01-24 12:03:23  
I'm only counting 14% gear haste in that set versus 24% in the set I posted. Your set makes more sense for situations when master damage is negligible, but in Dynamis this is not the case. You would be better off optimizing your own TP set before worrying about the pet. Like I said, once you get other upgrades, viable hybrid sets start to open up.
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By Leviathan.Tamian 2013-01-24 12:08:04  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I'm only counting 14% gear haste in that set versus 24% in the set I posted. Your set makes more sense for situation when master damage is negligible, but in Dynamis this is not the case. You would be better off optimizing your own TP set before worrying about the pet. Like I said, once you get other upgrades, viable hybrid sets start to open up.

The way I see it (to be more efficient farming currency), I need my pet killing faster and me proc'ing. That's why the set I have is more towards pets acc, haste and damage taken.

If this is the wrong approach then your set makes more sense than mine of course...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-01-24 12:17:20  
The pet is already going to do pretty well without the pet gear since you're fighting EP targets. You don't need pet acc or -damage for Dynamis (Yuly or Falcorr will be evading most hits anyway). I'm just suggesting that you not gimp your own damage that much since it does actually matter in this situation and will result in better currency yields.
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By Leviathan.Tamian 2013-01-24 12:24:25  
I get you now... I guess it comes to preference, but It would be a good test to take different sets and see the end numbers. Thanks for your input and suggestions.
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By Odin.Jays 2013-01-24 12:25:18  
I still personally find going DNC/THF is better than BST for dynamis solo.
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By Xilk 2013-01-24 12:58:01  
Leviathan.Tamian said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I'm only counting 14% gear haste in that set versus 24% in the set I posted. Your set makes more sense for situation when master damage is negligible, but in Dynamis this is not the case. You would be better off optimizing your own TP set before worrying about the pet. Like I said, once you get other upgrades, viable hybrid sets start to open up.

The way I see it (to be more efficient farming currency), I need my pet killing faster and me proc'ing. That's why the set I have is more towards pets acc, haste and damage taken.

If this is the wrong approach then your set makes more sense than mine of course...

I agree with you. when I farm dynamis I maximize my pets performance. I have 24% pet haste and 20% master haste when I solo farm in dynamis. (wish I could get my hands on Porthos, need to do more bismarck...) Yes, master damage is not as important when you only work on proc'ing then have pet finish it off. I have found this method to be more effective for bst farming. However, I highly recommend having a good ruinator set.

Also, do not waste any gear slots for pet accuracy or attack. Neither will matter at all for dynamis farming as both will be capped due to level. Double attack and haste, and even crit+ will make a difference. I typically just keep the haste gear though.
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By Leviathan.Tamian 2013-01-28 08:43:07  
After a couple more runs I am getting the hang of this. It helps a lot when you don't need to keep checking wiki to know the TE mobs names or the name/time of the JA mobs. I had my best day yesterday with 138 (38 tukuku, 46 bynes and 54 ordelles). I was very conservative pulling and killing mobs to avoid links. I am sure that I could have gone over 150 being more aggressive.

Amazingly enough I was alone in the zone for like an hour, so I didn't had to fight for mobs/camps. This leads to my question:

What would be consider a crowded dyna zone, specifically Qufim? 5 people? 10? I usually don't go in if there are more than 5, but those days I have only managed to get like 110-120 currencies.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-01-28 08:49:47  
That's 110-120 more than you'd have made if you hadn't gone at all because it was too crowded, buddy.
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By nyheen 2013-01-28 08:52:09  
Odin.Jays said: »
I still personally find going DNC/THF is better than BST for dynamis solo.

that and lot other jobs could work well but main reason why i bst most time in dyn because of the Wide scan for TE. maybe it me but i have bad luck on finding TE in some places. and links suck when it happens><
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2013-01-28 09:00:21  
nyheen said: »
Odin.Jays said: »
I still personally find going DNC/THF is better than BST for dynamis solo.

that and lot other jobs could work well but main reason why i bst most time in dyn because of the Wide scan for TE. maybe it me but i have bad luck on finding TE in some places. and links suck when it happens><

and also bst with good ruinator setup with falcor can prolly out dd dnc >_>
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2013-01-28 09:18:44  
Leviathan.Tamian said: »
After a couple more runs I am getting the hang of this. It helps a lot when you don't need to keep checking wiki to know the TE mobs names or the name/time of the JA mobs. I had my best day yesterday with 138 (38 tukuku, 46 bynes and 54 ordelles). I was very conservative pulling and killing mobs to avoid links. I am sure that I could have gone over 150 being more aggressive.

Amazingly enough I was alone in the zone for like an hour, so I didn't had to fight for mobs/camps. This leads to my question:

What would be consider a crowded dyna zone, specifically Qufim? 5 people? 10? I usually don't go in if there are more than 5, but those days I have only managed to get like 110-120 currencies.

When scouting zones, you have to be sure to check if there are parties up. If 3+ people are partied up, they are most likely on dc's but thats not always the case sadly. Keeping parties in mind, for zones like Qufim any more than 5 soloers & you'll be looking at decent competition. I wouldnt go to Qufim if theres 10+ people. Bubu cant hold a lot of people either because the typical routes are limited so you're bound to deal with competition if theres 10+. Valkurm is huge though, ive had great runs(250+) there with 50+ people in zone.
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2013-01-28 09:29:16  
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
nyheen said: »
Odin.Jays said: »
I still personally find going DNC/THF is better than BST for dynamis solo.

that and lot other jobs could work well but main reason why i bst most time in dyn because of the Wide scan for TE. maybe it me but i have bad luck on finding TE in some places. and links suck when it happens><

and also bst with good ruinator setup with falcor can prolly out dd dnc >_>

Only things bst has on dnc is widescan & the ability to keep claim on multiple mobs at once.
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By Leviathan.Tamian 2013-01-28 09:31:04  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
That's 110-120 more than you'd have made if you hadn't gone at all because it was too crowded, buddy.

That's true. Not many things I can do or farm in 2 hrs that can get me 600k. But we always want to maximize rewards right?

Carbuncle.Pwnzone said: »
When scouting zones, you have to be sure to check if there are parties up. If 3+ people are partied up, they are most likely on dc's but thats not always the case sadly. Keeping parties in mind, for zones like Qufim any more than 5 soloers & you'll be looking at decent competition. I wouldnt go to Qufim if theres 10+ people. Bubu cant hold a lot of people either because the typical routes are limited so you're bound to deal with competition if theres 10+. Valkurm is huge though, ive had great runs(250+) there with 50+ people in zone.

I have not done bubu solo yet and never been in the dunes, I guess it would be a good thing to try the 3 zones and see which one is better. I haven't seen many pts in qufim; some duos but for the most part its a lot of soloers.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2013-01-28 10:22:45  
Cerberus.Rizla said: »
Sure, i tri-box BRD THF RDM and Sac pull only NMs over and Over and oVeR. Can get unlucky some days with 0-1, but i average 3.
Tribox will average 400-500 coins in dreamlands zones on decent challenge camps.
Obviously competition will slow you down though so if you can only do dynamis during prime time, farming Jeuno is probably your next best option.
Although you originally disagreed with city zones being sucky, yet they still are. Jeuno is the best city to farm and it's still worse than all dreamland zones except Tavnazia.

Difference between dreamland and city:
- easier TE farming in dreamland
- consistent coin rate in dreamland
- less worry about adds in dreamland
- less chance of dying farming EP monsters instead of NMs
- more competition in dreamland
- more travel time in dreamland (camps/TE are more spread out)
- more people buy singles than 100 pieces
- 100 pieces sell for more than 100 singles
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By Sylph.Peldin 2013-01-28 10:30:19  
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
and also bst with good ruinator setup with falcor can prolly out dd dnc >_>

My DNC kills a lot faster than my BST, although my BST uses PDT axes instead of STR axes. Might be closer with STR axes but I dunno.

I personally will never farm Dyna as BST again because there is a fairly significant difference in drops per kill by using higher levels of TH as either /THF or THF

BST is a great job for Dyna. Don't get me wrong. It's definitely, by far, the best job for starting dyna with weak gear. But as we all know, gear scales better on non-pet jobs.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-01-28 11:03:32  
Biggest different between dreamlands and cities:

Non beastmen-Mobs don't 2hr. You always want to proc before a 2hr, but sometimes you cant or the pet triple attacks something and suddenly you're dealing with perfect dodge or invincible or EES (puts a little hurt on your pet, costing food). The time you save from not eating (Mijin Gakure)/dealing with bad 2 hours and annoying bst/drg pets (your pet loves their pet) adds up quiet a bit. Falcorr is dumb, and will find the hardest/least useful mob in the pack and get his silly *** tanked by that for every 8 of 10 seconds he's not listening to Fight! =p
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By Xilk 2013-01-28 12:59:34  
Sylph.Peldin said: »
BST is a great job for Dyna. Don't get me wrong. It's definitely, by far, the best job for starting dyna with weak gear. But as we all know, gear scales better on non-pet jobs.

Buffs scale better on non pet jobs. Not gear.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-01-28 13:04:29  
Everything relating to damage output scales better on non-pet jobs lol.

Pets are nice in dynamis because the game calculates them like mobs, not players, so their 85-99 (depending on your pet level, merits, and gear to increase that) naturally reduce a lot of the damage taken from 75-80 mobs.

Against EP mobs, Falcorr will usually take better magic damage than an aegis paladin, as he's much more likely to resist.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2013-01-29 09:21:33  
Xilk said: »
Buffs scale better on non pet jobs. Not gear.
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By Xilk 2013-01-29 16:26:25  
Valefor.Omnys said: »
Everything relating to damage output scales better on non-pet jobs lol.

Pets are nice in dynamis because the game calculates them like mobs, not players, so their 85-99 (depending on your pet level, merits, and gear to increase that) naturally reduce a lot of the damage taken from 75-80 mobs.

Against EP mobs, Falcorr will usually take better magic damage than an aegis paladin, as he's much more likely to resist.


...gee I really didn't notice.. I mean after alll the data samples I collected to prove that pets do cap pdif at 2.0 and only level correction takes it from 2.0 to 4.0 for pets...


Please elaborate why you think gear doesn't scale as well on bst main?
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-29 16:34:46  
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lol so, after switching from DC to EP mobs i've doubled the coins to over 150.
lol I barely can get 100 in a zone I know, I haven't tried valkurm yet though...
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By Xilk 2013-01-29 16:43:41  
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Trixi said: »
lol so, after switching from DC to EP mobs i've doubled the coins to over 150.
lol I barely can get 100 in a zone I know, I haven't tried valkurm yet though...
Qufim is my favorite zone when its not crowded.
but really I don't have trouble getting 200 solo in bubu, tavnazia, valkurm, or qufim... only impediment is crowding and competition for good camps.
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By Valefor.Neokenesis 2013-01-29 19:48:26  
Sylph.Peldin said: »
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
and also bst with good ruinator setup with falcor can prolly out dd dnc >_>

I personally will never farm Dyna as BST again because there is a fairly significant difference in drops per kill by using higher levels of TH as either /THF or THF

My suggestion is to level THF. An AF3+2 THF with AH daggers will fair better than a BST. Personally as THF this is my best solo.



I have also posted my best duo here
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By Ragnarok.Trixi 2013-01-29 22:39:54  
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Trixi said: »
lol so, after switching from DC to EP mobs i've doubled the coins to over 150.
lol I barely can get 100 in a zone I know, I haven't tried valkurm yet though...
Having good luck there. Out of ~10 runs ive only had one "everything went wrong" run, and one overcrowded run. All the others have now been netting me 180+ singles. Slowly improving. Waiting for the 200 mark, and my first 100, lul.
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By Valefor.Neokenesis 2013-01-29 23:25:02  
Ragnarok.Trixi said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Trixi said: »
lol so, after switching from DC to EP mobs i've doubled the coins to over 150.
lol I barely can get 100 in a zone I know, I haven't tried valkurm yet though...
Having good luck there. Out of ~10 runs ive only had one "everything went wrong" run, and one overcrowded run. All the others have now been netting me 180+ singles. Slowly improving. Waiting for the 200 mark, and my first 100, lul.

Luck does play a little bit but as you said you are slowly getting better. If you keep at it and learn the zone you will continually get more productive at farming. Good luck to all^^
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By Quetzalcoatl.Freddles 2013-03-15 17:56:15  
I was wondering, if you duo with a THF who has plenty of TH, what would be the best pet for duoing dynamis for damage dealing and tanking, the one that would speed up things the most without having to spend too much on pet food?
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By Siren.Attaxia 2013-03-15 18:18:20  
Yuly and Falcorr are used mainly for their evasive capabilities rather than TH, so still those. I personally find Yuly using Noisome powder as an add control measure to be most useful in Dynamis.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Freddles 2013-03-15 20:33:30  
Thanks for the answer! I was already inside Dynamis when you did so I just went with what I had. I used cheap pet Nazuna for TEs and then LuckyLulush for the rest. Still nice attack and the AOE cure was really useful more than once, and saved a bunch of pet food.

Overall I wasn't disappointed with how it turned out and I think it was a good run, we ended up with 266 coins and few forgottens even though we died in a bad spot while hunting for TEs and lost about 15 minutes because of that.

I was thinking Flowerpot Merle could be nice too with loads of HP and counter, but I never really tried it. Maybe I will at some point! TP moves aren't very interesting though, unless Head Butt does some good damage but I don't know.

I might just bring a few pets one run and try them all to see which I prefer XD
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By Sylph.Silvra 2013-03-26 15:48:54  
I know I can do 140-170 on DNC/THF np, usually it does not take long to find the 20min TE. Even running between the EP camps along the beach having jigs is very nice. I usually have 1-2BST around me at any one point and our kill speeds are comparable and both decently gear I would say.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-03-26 15:50:05  
a better duo, if you have a thf, would be DNC/00 use bst for solo.

just my opinion.
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