(Don't) Fear The Reaper: A Dark Knight Guide

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By Asura.Jem 2013-04-16 00:05:15  
You wouldn't need Phorcys Head. Armada with 6STP + Mala gives you 54 total STP. That 6 hits on 3/5 Reso (assuming you Reso in Rajas + Brutal).

I'm not sure upping to Phorcys would allow you to do anything extra really. Also not 100% that Kari is always an upgrade over Bale +2 but not run numbers. 9 STR 9 DEX 10 Acc versus 3% DA + Set Bonus. Probably gonna depend on mob.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-04-16 00:07:28  
phorcys head lets him tp in ares+1 legs and hands, though.

and with the store tp from rose strap on ws, shouldn't need rajas.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-16 00:10:02  
I dont have Ares though. I ain't even got the NQ Ares, I have certain pieces but just been unlucky on drops. I think if I win NNI again I will pick Thaumaus body for my THF instead, it seems to be more useful.

Guess I got to make some money for E Body and live in King Ranperres tomb with Hahava ; ;
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-04-16 00:14:09  
fair enough
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-16 00:16:14  
I am kinda torn though, having Phorcys head would open me up to more options, and I don't really use my THF that much anymore. Think I will just decide at the time lol.
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By Asura.Jem 2013-04-16 00:17:46  
Yeah you're right, with that set Rajas isn't needed on WS.

I assumed he didn't have Ares +1. Changing to Phorcys + Ares Hands and Legs would require using Kokou's or Atillas in TP set or WS'ing in Rajas though. Unless you want to rely on 4/5 Reso (I'd rather sit on 3/5 personally but I guess it's down to player preference). I'm pretty sure that set is what my Item Set has listed (with Kokou's)
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-04-16 00:18:07  
without ares+1 legs you'll be wearing phorcys, so you don't need the store tp on the salade, and the coat is really the best item from nni anyways.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-16 00:20:40  
So when it comes down to it, unless I plan on spamming salvage anytime soon to get Ares pieces, I should just get the coat if I get lucky enough to find a party who can win NNI :p Ok well that is sorted, I think it is bedtime.
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By Asura.Jem 2013-04-16 00:23:22  
Depending on buffs / what you're fighting sometimes Carbonara is an option which gives you some extra flexibility on STP.

Unless you're buffed to the nines it's generally a step down in DPS but it depends on what you're fighting. Sometimes I use it for the extra HP too and sometimes just because it's vastly cheaper than RCB and I'm not fighting anything really worthwhile.

And yes I'd recommend getting the Coat unless you have immediate plans to get the other pieces needed to make hat useable. You could probably farm 5 80s in the time it takes to get that gear though even with a bad group.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-04-16 00:32:55  
Asura.Jem said: »
Changing to Phorcys + Ares Hands and Legs would require using Kokou's or Atillas in TP set or WS'ing in Rajas though. Unless you want to rely on 4/5 Reso (I'd rather sit on 3/5 personally but I guess it's down to player preference). I'm pretty sure that set is what my Item Set has listed (with Kokou's)
The odds aren't that bad for 4/5, but I use Kokou's anyways since I can store bale earring and it's not a huge difference for me to care enough about a mule.
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2013-04-16 00:33:33  
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
I dont have Ares though. I ain't even got the NQ Ares, I have certain pieces but just been unlucky on drops. I think if I win NNI again I will pick Thaumaus body for my THF instead, it seems to be more useful.

Guess I got to make some money for E Body and live in King Ranperres tomb with Hahava ; ;
Come spam Hahava with me! I've set up drapes and everything.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2013-04-16 00:40:56  


You want Mala??? Well.. everyone's WHM mule will get one before the likes of you!

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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2013-04-16 00:46:47  
So true. I was so upset today after doing 18 of them. I got the harness instead... All around me I GOT MALA! Tables were flipped.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-04-16 01:06:19  
Cerberus.Sephrin said: »
So true. I was so upset today after doing 18 of them. I got the harness instead... All around me I GOT MALA! Tables were flipped.

1/400+ over here, what is this 0/18 crap?
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2013-04-16 01:08:19  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Cerberus.Sephrin said: »
So true. I was so upset today after doing 18 of them. I got the harness instead... All around me I GOT MALA! Tables were flipped.

1/400+ over here, what is this 0/18 crap?
That's just today. I'm 0/creepingonfourdigits
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-04-16 04:03:23  
Was too funny when I got Mextli 1\1 on my mule though. :P
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By Bismarck.Stani 2013-04-16 05:21:56  
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Bismarck.Stani said: »
Also, the guide still sorely needs a section explaining how LR puts DRK at the delay reduction cap with simple Haste+Marches/Embrava. What's the point of having the varried gear haste sets to take advantage of capped delay reduction if you don't explain when to use them, right?

Why don't you put together the section for him?

The trademark characteristic of Dark Knight is that with Desperate Blows merits, Last Resort will add 25% (likely around 253/1024) Haste in the Job Ability (JA) category. This is hugely important because with that much JA haste, and a few magic haste buffs from your support, you will be able to cap your delay reduction with less than 26% in gear haste. This means that you will be able to:

* Pile on more sTP to lower your x-hit
* Stack more multi-attack to boost your swings per round
* Swap in more Accuracy or Attack gear
* Be one of the more effective DDs in a Hybrid TP+Damage Taken- set
* Wear whatever else you wanted to, but couldn't because you had to wear Haste pieces.

How much gear haste you need to wear to cap delay reduction with LR/DB will depend on the magic haste buffs you're getting. Generally speaking, it will take a combination of Haste, March(es), and/or Embrava to cap your delay reduction with less than 26% gear haste. With LR and capped magic haste, you'll be able to wear as little as 12% gear haste while maintaining capped delay reduction. Keep in mind that when LR wears off, DB becomes inactive and you'll have to switch back to wearing the full 26% gear haste.

That's the general idea, now on to the specific amounts of gear haste that are to be worn with various magic haste amounts:
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Gear Haste required (x/1024, explained below)
			Magic Haste recieved (x/1024)	
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256+		0				None

256+		150				Haste

256+		214-294			Haste, Advancing March +0-5

256+		264-310			Haste, Victory March +1-4
240			326				Haste, Victory March +5

256			310				Haste, both Marches +0
224			342				Haste, both Marches +1
192			374				Haste, both Marches +2
160			406				Haste, both Marches +3
128			438				Haste, both Marches +4
118			448				Haste, both Marches +5

176			390				Haste, Marcato Victory March +0, Advancing March +0
128			438				Haste, Marcato Victory March +1, Advancing March +1
118			448				Haste, Marcato Victory March +2-4, Advancing March +2-4

182			384				Marcato Victory March +3, Advancing March +3
134			432				Marcato Victory March +4, Advancing March +4
118			448				Marcato Victory March +5, Advancing March +5

118			448				Haste, Soul Voice Marches +0-5

246			320				Soul Voice Marches +0
214			352				Soul Voice Marches +1
182			384				Soul Voice Marches +2
150			416				Soul Voice Marches +3
118			320				Soul Voice Marches +4-5

224			342				Haste, Soul Voice Victory March +0
192			374				Haste, Soul Voice Victory March +1
160			406				Haste, Soul Voice Victory March +2
128			438				Haste, Soul Voice Victory March +3
118			448				Haste, Soul Voice Victory March +4-5

206			360				Haste, 420 skill Embrava (the minimum with Light Arts up)
166			400				Haste, 500 skill Embrava (capped potency)

118			448				Haste, any Embrava, any Victory March


The gear haste values were left in x/1024 because the exact haste value for different pieces of equipment can varry by how much haste it provides. Pieces with 1-4% haste are 10/1024 haste per 1% listed. This means that you get a little less than what you might think, 10/1024 is actually .9765% haste. On pieces with 5% or more haste, however, Square has taken to adding an extra 1/1024, to keep the haste contribution on the x/1024 scale closer to the percent listed. 50/1024 = .488, 51/1025 = .498.

Because of this, if you were to put on 10 pieces of 2% haste, you'd be at 200/1024 haste, but if you put on 4 pieces of 5% haste, you'd be at 204/1024. Keep this in mind if you're shooting for a target ending in 2 or 4/1024 haste, you may be able to hit that target without overshooting.

Luckily, most of those 40 or so haste situations are unlikely and only included for completeness' sake. The four sets that I would recommend to anyone looking to get the most out of Last Resort would be:

1) Uncapped delay reduction: 26% gear haste. No marches or embrava, this is your standard TP set. You might gain from wearing 5*5% pieces for 255/256 gear haste here, but 26% is fine too.
2) Marches: 16% gear haste if you ever expect Marches +3, 13% if you can gurantee Marches +4 (BRD AF3 hands and Langleik or Gjallarhorn95), 12% if you can gurantee Marches +5 (BRD AF3 hands and Gjallarhorn99). x/1024 not a factor here, listed %s are fine.
3) Embrava+Haste: 21% gear haste if there's a chance that the SCH is a naked alt or someone who just doesn't care, 17% if it's capped potency. I'd go with 21 to accept all levels of Embrava, and move on with life. You can get away with 4*5% haste pieces = 204/206 gear haste here.
4) Capped magic haste: 12% gear haste, listed % values are fine. Go nuts.
*) Keep in mind that Apocalypse AM and Atma/cite haste are counted as gear haste.

Edit, Aug 17, 2013: Rare are the situations I find myself with Embrava, but not March. So Embrava sets are probably a thing of the past. Same goes for uncapped Marches, at least in my circles, Gjallarhorns for capped magic haste are common. Practically speaking, stacking enough sTP to 5-hit a Nagan will usually leave you over-hasted for these reduced-haste-requirement sets anyways.
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By itchi508 2013-04-16 07:29:24  
Making apoc it will be done in a few days. Looking for lil gear advice on what iv made so far.

/sam 5hit
ItemSet 297028
45 Stp
24% haste
Geting 20Tp per swing, after 1st WS depending on the return i will be on a 4hit build.

Thought about using Karieyh Sollerets in place of Ace's but trying to keep haste, as is im only at 24% wich would drop me to 21%


/sam AM^
ItemSet 297031
30 STP
16% haste

Question while under AM:
Should i use Phorcy Schuhs?
Should i use Bale +2 Head?
Should i use Ogiers gauntlets?
Or is that set ok as is?

Fyi on any advice giving i dont have any Ares+1, Armada, valkyries or a rose strap!
Thanks for any advice!
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By Cerberus.Stereo 2013-04-16 08:09:24  
I need to get round to perfecting or at least investing in my DRK sets. I'm always ahead when I'm on my Uko99 or Rag. But my DRK Apoc parses pretty poorly due to the fact I haven't customized my sets enough to cater to different buffs.
Other Apoc career DRKs I know rarely drop from top 3 DD due to the time investment they've made in customizing their sets. Aggressive play style will only get one so far, and I seem to have hit that ceiling.

Question is : How the *** do you guys have all that inventory space lol.
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By itchi508 2013-04-16 08:17:34  
I had no space before apoc, now im gearing for it and i so *** lol making Cata, Entropy, Apoc TP and Apoc AM^ on top of my Caladblog and Rag sets plus MD, PD, absorb refresh & regen sets. More invin pleaaaaaaasssseeeeee
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By Cerberus.Stereo 2013-04-16 08:28:16  
I love it when people say "Come DRK" and I reply with "what kind of DRK?"
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-04-16 08:57:42  
Cerberus.Stereo said: »
I need to get round to perfecting or at least investing in my DRK sets. I'm always ahead when I'm on my Uko99 or Rag. But my DRK Apoc parses pretty poorly due to the fact I haven't customized my sets enough to cater to different buffs.
Other Apoc career DRKs I know rarely drop from top 3 DD due to the time investment they've made in customizing their sets. Aggressive play style will only get one so far, and I seem to have hit that ceiling.

Question is : How the *** do you guys have all that inventory space lol.

I generally run with 3-5 free inventory slot, and I still need a lot of gears :/
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By itchi508 2013-04-16 09:08:09  
If anyone can pls post advice on my sets b4 it gets to far off topic! Thankyou
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-16 10:34:03  
itchi508 said: »
Making apoc it will be done in a few days. Looking for lil gear advice on what iv made so far.

/sam 5hit
ItemSet 297028
45 Stp
24% haste
Geting 20Tp per swing, after 1st WS depending on the return i will be on a 4hit build.

Thought about using Karieyh Sollerets in place of Ace's but trying to keep haste, as is im only at 24% wich would drop me to 21%


/sam AM^
ItemSet 297031
30 STP
16% haste

Question while under AM:
Should i use Phorcy Schuhs?
Should i use Bale +2 Head?
Should i use Ogiers gauntlets?
Or is that set ok as is?

Fyi on any advice giving i dont have any Ares+1, Armada, valkyries or a rose strap!
Thanks for any advice!

Like I mentioned my sets are "confused wtf" and need to be re-examined, just haven't gotten round to it.

This is my standard set
ItemSet 297036

This is my LR/DB AM/Marchx2/Haste/Fighter's role Set (except I haven't uncursed my valk. bstplate, have an NQ with TA+2 Acc+8, and don't have Enif)
ItemSet 297042
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By Asura.Jem 2013-04-16 12:52:35  
I'm not quite sure what X-hit you're going for there. The top one is overshooting a 5 hit SAM sub by quite a lot (You're at 59 STP I think so could drop like 9 ish). If it's WAR sub then it's overshooting 6 hit by a ton but are just short of a 5 hit.

Same deal with the bottom one. Overshooting 6 hit by a lot if SAM sub. 7 hitting WAR sub.
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-16 12:58:57  
Asura.Jem said: »
I'm not quite sure what X-hit you're going for there. The top one is overshooting a 5 hit SAM sub by quite a lot (You're at 59 STP I think so could drop like 9 ish). If it's WAR sub then it's overshooting 6 hit by a ton but are just short of a 5 hit.

Same deal with the bottom one. Overshooting 6 hit by a lot if SAM sub. 7 hitting WAR sub.

Top "standard set" - Armadaberk is 5stp/2da. Only other options I have are Shadow Breastplate, Karyieh Haubert, Ace's mail.

Other options I have for head besides phorcys salade atm are Ares+1 Mask, Karyieh helmet or Bale+2.
Waist have Phos belt.
No Duplus grip either.

Appreciate the advice/critique.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-04-16 13:06:22  
Here are the sets I'd use with apoc /sam

standard

6 hits multihit focus

5 hits haste uncapped

5 hits haste capped

Edit with Anger bomblet on 6 hits build.

#1 : 6 hits multihit focused
#2 : 5 hits haste capped
#3 : 5 hits haste uncapped
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By Asura.Jem 2013-04-16 13:09:14  
Easiest change would be Bale +2 Head and Ammo to whatever (Bomb Core or Bomblet I guess).

An alternative, which I haven't ran the numbers on would be Phorcys Dirs > Ares +1, Bale Gauntlets +2 > Ares +1, Goading Belt > Istio Belt.

Both would leave you at 50 STP I think which should 5 hit assuming you WS in Rajas + Brutal. I think not using Rajas on WS would leave you at 99.8 though (20.8 * 4 = 83.2. 16.6 on WS)
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-04-16 13:16:24  
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Here are the sets I'd use with apoc /sam

standard

6 hits multihit focus

5 hits haste uncapped

5 hits haste capped

1st : 5 hits haste capped
2nd : 6 hits multihit focused
3rd : 5 hits haste uncapped

How do ares feet +1 do against Phorcys schuhs for your multihit set?
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-16 13:16:37  
thanks Detzu and Jem. And yeah I do WS in rajas/brutal due to having problems with macros changing slots with items of the same name.
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