Kikoku Owners

For all the people who own a Kikoku 75-99 version. is it any decent in Abyssea at all? i will get my stage 2 tomorrow morning so wondering if i should focus on getting it 99 or work on kannagi on the side, even though Sobek pisses me off because of Gukumatz. With Kikoku inside Abyssea, im guessing i should focus on Jin, but i would like to see some pics of Metsu inside abyssea if you have any~ plz n thank you!

You will be severely underwhelmed with kikoku in abyssea. Kikoku is mainly an outside piece for utility rather than high damage.

Stick with Kannagi inside and kikoku outside.

^ what celll said

99 here and its nothing for abyssea...even tho the crits are nice but still...

I'm pretty sure Metsu is always a bad decision.

metsu has stable damage unlike other katana ws but it wont beat jin inside abbsyea

yeah i know metsu is ***in aby, i just want to see pics of what other ppl have done if they have any. i prolly gonna work on kannagi once i hit stage 4.. to much stuff going on lately between me, friends relic club and trying to get friends arma to 90-95

Everyone i've ever seen with a Kikoku has it offhanded with a kannagi in their mainhand even for outside of abyssea. Ive seen several 85 kannagi mainhand 99kikoku offhanded, its weird.

One of my friends has a 99 kikoku and he leaves it on his manequinn...

Just because there is competition for an abyssea NM or you think a NM sucks isnt really a good excuse to not make a kannagi and make a kikoku instead.

never said i wasnt going to do kannagi~ im already 80% done with it, just got 30 skins to go and the camped nms left.

Having 70 out of 100 items for the 85 version and no camped NMs = 80%.... mind blown.

Well I did first of all a Kannagi too jist decided to make 3 months ago a Kikoku. All what i read/heard is the same as here.

Kannagi wins ofc in Abyssea what I've seen yet.

Today I got finally my Kikoku well I can't speak with the 95-99'er Kikoku owners yet but what I tested confirmed my thoughts.

Outside of Abyssea it works pretty stable, where Kannagi often fails.

And thats the only reason why I made a Kikoku cause outside its cooler (as I think)

Sry u asked for dmg pics I don't have any yet, but the difference between hi and metsu in abyssea is big.
Just do the Kikoku if u love playing Ninja ^^.

Question to the other Kikoku owners are u guys using Blade: shun with kikoku mainhand or Metsu cause of the dmg% + later on?
Outside I mean ofc

Thank you :)

If you are doing dynamis for currency/buying currency for a kikoku you'd probably be better off spending it on mercs and getting a kannagi to 85 first then switching back to working on a kikoku if you still really want one.
Chances are you'd have way too much fun with your kannagi in abyssea and forget about making a kikoku if you went this route.

glad someone could blow whats left of that mind~ god knows we surely needed it.

I personally run with Metsu over shun, as a few others have posted it tends to be the more consistent of the three outside of abyssea. Also I already have like 6 diff. sets of gear for my ninja for certain things, i don't need more gear for a job I hardly play anymore.

Kannagi 90, Kikoku 99 here.

I don't use Kikoku in Abyssea at all. Sorry, it's just not the better performer.

Exactly, I think the highest metsu i had seen inside abyssea was around 5.5k and that was with RCB, stalwarts, VV, RR, and I think i was using stout arm for the added attack boost, not sure on that last part. I also had 2x minuet, chaos, zerk, innin and aggressor up hitting from behind the mob. With all of that and a small change to atmas i would have more than likely hit for about 7-9k with Hi

This was a trash mob anyways, im more then sure it would have been in the mid to upper 3000 mark had it been an NM.

I don't think I've ever found myself using RR VV SA on nin. I generally use RR GH SS. Two hand weapons never benefited as much from attack boosts, well rather they get gimped by the attack vs defense calculations. I remember trying SA on NIN but wasn't happy with it. I just go with capped haste, multi-attacks, dual weild, and then gear/atmas what boost my crit hit damage. 2-5k Jins are normal on higher tier NMs like apademak or orthrus.

Would expect Metsu to do better or did SE gimp another relic ? ._. Here I was debating getting a Kikoku, I've always wanted one since the old days but might change my mind after reading all this ._.

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3.0 ftp 60% Dex *.4 vs 4.4375 ftp 100% dex -8% attack for Metsu/Shun.

Really don't see either beating Hi on anything that doesn't have crit rate/damage -%, and anything that does you probably won't be bringing a nin to.

planned to do kannagi inside abyssea all the time once i finish friends gun. kikoku was more outside/semi-dream since i wont do bravura since im always nin now. big question is now, what wep is best for VW content?

If you're just asking about katanas then I'd say it doesn't really matter. Bring whatever you want, it's voidwatch.

Kikoku with Shun 5/5 should be your best option everywhere but Abyssea.

Shun being a 100% DEX Mod WS is huge. Yes the move is pretty ATK starved, but since NIN gets plenty of Massive DEX+ pieces, and stacking so much DEX+ should cover ACC needs on most things, Shun is just too good to pass up. For something like Hi you to worry about balancing more stats.

Also from a utility stand point, Kikoku is more flexible. OTD isn't tied to your ability to WS, meaning it can stay up while you're busy procing. The large +ATK is better than the +AGI in general. Also, getting Kikoku to a higher level is more accessible to most people.

Take this with a grain of salt. I had Shun 5/5 and was going for Kikoku, and didn't have a Kannagi on my personal character. I can however tell you that Shun is a pretty amazing WS for NIN and should average better numbers than Hi outside Abyssea. Your TPing should be better as well.

Not that I'm gonna get a Kikoku, but how Potent is the paralyze on it?

Its about as good a jubaku: Ichi maybe a bit weaker.

That doesn't sound too bad

stable-y worse on average by over a few 100dmg on DC dyna mobs + VWNM

And that's assuming you have the 99 vers. so Metsu gets beefed up. If Kikoku had a nice AM like Mandau Metsu would probably be worth using.

The 90 Kikoku comes with the hidden effect:
Blade: Metsu: Not even once.

I wouldn't say that. Depending on the situation you might want some consistency in damage and that's a good time to use Metsu. Probably outdoes Shun a bit on stuff with high evasion. But then, if you're fighting something with high evasion, it's probably something you're engaged with long enough to be taking advantage of Kannagi's AM.

If it has high evasion, then it's probably high level. Which would make Hi more valuable than Metsu.

I so wish this was actually effective. If only Kikoku retained just the +40 attack, then it'd be an amazing offhand weapon. As it is, a Fire Arisui outdoes it except on the most fodder of fodder, which is kinda sad.

We're not even like other DW jobs which can offhand their Empy for a great stat boost, we get stuck with shitty AGI. >_>

If it's any consolation, it's not behind by very much since NIN is so TP phase-heavy. I'm sure most people who do that only do it to show off/look cool. That's about the only thing NIN is good for anymore. =P

Gonna depend on buffs as well, but you have to try pretty damn hard to have ACC trouble with Shun unless you're doing it very wrong or fighting a rare moderately high lvl THF Mob.

I mean you're looking at something ridiculous like +80-100 ACC in WS gear for Shun, before any JAs, Foods, or Meds.

The Aftermath is pretty useless for the most part. The only real use for Metsu is doing trials lol.