A Scholar's Education (Guide)

No one is arguing that Helices can't do 700+ in Abyssea.
I took advantage of this myself to do my Arka IV trials.
Atma will do that.

Outside of Abyssea, where you're not getting 100+ dINT and MAB all over the place ...


Also if you think that SCH would be used for anything outside of Alacrity stun if Embrava didn't exist, you're pretty dense.

Um I still get 400-550 Helixes outside abby: My gear is far from top notch. I lack Neo nysle and the red VW set as well as PW itself. Yet I can pull off the number started above in Kindered crest fights.


I can use It on sky NM's Genbu, and others. So no I wouldn't say it is useless. And what do I care to get invited to with the exception of VW where I won't lumen helix for mega dmg anyway.

As I stated many times I do this and my banish spells for solo or low man events.

Once my gear s complete, I will do almost as much outside abby as I do inside. As it is when I started shattersoul set, all I ised was MM atma to help me for the +50. INT. As I gotten gear, I been able to do the same dmg outside abby with that weaponskill.

And you assume I use atmas to enhance my helixes inside abby what I don't.

MM + sea daughter + cosmos. That's my basic setup for atmas While I do use others, those three I use often.

...Why don't you go out and show us one of your "renowned" Helices, without INT bonuses then? Just go farm a Genbu pop, and go kill it with Banishes and LUMINOHELIX. God. :c

MM is +50 INT, that's a ridiculous enhancement to Helix.

Don't forget cruor buffs!

While you're doing 700 dmg helices in Abyssea, the rest of us are using real atma setups and one-shotting everything that looks at us the wrong way.

Bincks I still haven't seen you on SCH :|.

Funny all schs I see run around are great for embrava and nothing else,

By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-09-13 08:08:19
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No one is arguing that Helices can't do 700+ in Abyssea.
I took advantage of this myself to do my Arka IV trials.
Atma will do that.

Outside of Abyssea, where you're not getting 100+ dINT and MAB all over the place ...


Also if you think that SCH would be used for anything outside of Alacrity stun if Embrava didn't exist, you're pretty dense.

According to him all of you schs are useless. Good thing I don't think like him or you guys. And as for his stun comment. I rought up the fact that schs were best stunners over a year ago. Only to have rdms and others complain "rdm has chain spell, we are best stunners and schs are good at nothing"

But now you again see my point. Maybe in 6-12 more months you will see my point again on this. And you are totally dense. Without us. No one can beat Neo Nysle Isle. They not only need one of us, but they need two.
Lets not get into legion, or PW fight. Again a without sch, 95% fail.



http://s1070.photobucket.com/albums/u498/kasain76/?action=view&current=632af262.png Baishga 2 2k+

I feel so bad for Faf, thanks for totally wailing your giant head all over the place Kyron, you're a pretty swell guy.

Before you ***up this thread more, I suggest you stop please.

Cause your fatass always hogs that spot. Plus, you like my WAR more. <3

Ok, normally, spelling doesn't bother me, but can't you spell a little better? Baishga? rought? I think RDM still are technically pretty good at stunning, while Chainspell is up, so when that's up, they might be better, but SCH's lasts till Embrava wears, and if you have a set for it. (Or something and what not, haven't looked around on SCH stuff for a while.)

I love how all of your examples of uses of SCH outside of alacrity stun were Embrava related, when I said "If embrava didn't exist ..."

One shotting mobs is so much fun when you see your spells doing double of what a blm can do. So you post lolabyssea damage where even my elf sch has massive amounts of int go try and do that outside abyssea. I want a genbu SS of you doing a 600+ helix amd 2,5k banishga II until then you havent proved your point. To think i go hoover and it all kicks off. ;-;

.............What?

^what Creaucent said. Don't really care about your SS dmg on worms, so why don't you prove your point, get out of abyssea, and get dmg SSs of Genbu?

Edit: You're late to the conversation, Butti. And, time to go to school ;( gonna miss all this.

; ; ohfine

So in which universe is a 2.5k banishga II better than an 8k blizz V or thunder V in abyssea or 1.4k to a 4-5k outside? Hell that 8k wasnt even an MB.

Not to take sides or anything in this war, but regardless of who plays what job for what reason, Sylow is simply arguing logical mathematics. Oh wait, I guess I am taking sides. Sylow's calculations are hard to disagree with.

You're arguing with a guy who bought gil specifically so he could afford a 30m algol in 2007.

(Though I think Sylow is very wrong about SCH's uses, it's the best healer for trash content. I'm sure some silly discussion could be made over melee WHM with relic/kc vs SCH buffs, but that's not a realistic option for everyone and I still think the buffs come out ahead.)

I said I could do two banishgas and I didn't MB the ones in picture.

Furthermore now that yoru taking 8k for 300 MP with thunder 5. Lets talk effency with numbers

If I can do 8-10+ with 35 MP

Luminhelix + stone + shattersoul. Then why should I even bother doing thunder 5? Oh yea and those 10k's are on NM's not exp mobs.

35 mp is far more efficient to get the job done and stronger than thunder 5 MB or not.

The only spells truly worth MBing are IMPACT or KAUSTRA.

You can drop a monster even in legion if you get off IMPACT 1st due to the 20% down then when kaustra hits it DoT is dmg and much stronger.

So yea I rarely have any reason to t5 anything.

Efficiency is almost always going to be vs time, not MP.

-If you're in abyssea, you don't need to manage MP because of restore chests, temporary items, and refresh atma.

-If you're doing voidwatch, you have more MP than you can spend from your temporary items.

-If you're doing legion, and really, really care about your nukes, there's at least one gjallarbrd and a corsair there.

-If you're soloing dynamis or something of the sort, your moogle has a wonderful button labeled 'Job Change'. If your only job is scholar, make friends or level another. If you're doing it to prove something to yourself, hi-elixirs are dirt cheap and provide an essentially unlimited MP source.

As a side note, you're arguing for MP efficiency using a method that requires giving up convert. Just a thought.

Its not 300mp its 265mp ill say it again you really need to learn the mp costs when you are trying to compare damage with false mp costs its throwing damage off. Being efficient in abyssea doesnt mean mp vs damage output its time vs damage output. Im casting 1 spell and one shotting the mob or taking a massive chunk out of the NM while you are casting 2 spells to kill a mob which is taking more time. You will just be finishing your mob while im killing my 3rd. Id like to see you kill orthrus with just banish spells and luminohelix.

Tbh i dont think you have a clue at being efficient. Even in limbus without meds mp was never an issue since i have convert and 400+ mp off sublimation. Thats with taking item boxes instead of bene boxes. Vw is just procing and loads of temps there not sure about legion and NNI is fine with just sublimation.

So you are one shotting mobs in legion with lumino + stone + shattersoul and impact/kaustra MB. You heard it here folks Kryon is dropping legion mobs like they are flies.

I didn't say I was dropping them like flies, but with the Japanese group I go with some NM they do like kaustra . especially since I already embraved them and my two hour is active.

Thats where you said it.

Yes and it does fall. Not by me alone, but through the MB at start it will take 90-360 second longer. And time is important in that event.

So you lied then you dont drop the mob. The other 17-35 people do.

Can we try to stay on topic here? I think Sawtelle said it best (back on page 3...)

The original request was for there to be a Divine Magic gearset, which is reasonable enough (especially for spellcast users - many XMLs already have gearsets for each magic type). I think the argument of when it'd actually be practical isn't suited for this thread, as it's not adding anything constructive to people wanting to learn how to play SCH, or improve their current playstyle.

O.o

Anyway, as promised I believe this set is ideal to the best of my knowledge assuming banish follows standard magic damage calculations and I didn't miss any obvious pieces.


Af3+2 hat if rapture.
Fenian ring if the banish effect on undead comes into play.

It all depends on the job(s) you're healing. Evasive dual wielders will benefit most from a Bard. Versus trash content, melee white Mage with Mjollnir / KC has endless MP, high damage output, and similar buffs available when Aura isn't up but it works better if melees are low maintenance types.

I should have been more clear; I meant serious uses (places where sch would have a nigh unreplaceable niche). Being the best at things that don't really matter too much kind of makes Scholar the Dancer of the Mage world. (appropriately so)