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By Asura.Ghanni 2015-11-12 13:53:02  
Was in a CP party yesterday of Blm, Blm, Sch, Pld, Geo, Cor on Apex Crabs/Pugs. The Sch was SCing so I could almost afk after rolling. I got so bored I started healing with Waltz.

CP was nice though. Would clear Trizek/Capacity rings in a single kill.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-11-12 22:13:10  
Asura.Ghanni said: »
Was in a CP party yesterday of Blm, Blm, Sch, Pld, Geo, Cor on Apex Crabs/Pugs. The Sch was SCing so I could almost afk after rolling. I got so bored I started healing with Waltz.

CP was nice though. Would clear Trizek/Capacity rings in a single kill.


Tbh I've been wanting to do 5 man crab/pug pt and use kupofried for a while. Seems that if COR closes SC with leaden and use 1 nuker instead of 2 it's a lot more efficient than using 2 nukers(or 2 SCH). Leaden+ darkness SC dmg is easy 60~80k total from 1 WS, the highest I've seen was 138k total, that's without additional mattk/darksday buff too, just malaise+ voidstorm. Having 2+ dedicated nukers in the pt are just over kill.

Idk about SCH, but I think it's faster to start SC by having 2 hasted melee do WS too?

Let SCH start SC and have COR roll and afk is also waste of spot IMO, since leaden+ darkness can take out at least 50%~80% of crab/fish's HP, that's enough to replace 1 dedicated nuker with kupofried.
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By Odin.Ladyrikku 2015-11-13 01:55:57  
I just got my Herculean Helm today, randomly played around with Aug stones and got



INT+9, MACC+23, MAB+29
Pellucid Stone

RIP Pixie Hairpin+1 T_T
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-11-13 01:58:50  
Pixie should still win, honestly. Affinity is absurdly powerful. That is, however, definitely the best you can use for Wildfire and QD when capping recast reduction.

Mind sharing which NM dropped it?
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By Odin.Ladyrikku 2015-11-13 02:05:01  
It was the Ixion NM that dropped it.
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By Asura.Failaras 2015-11-13 02:39:33  
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Why would you want automated rolling? For mules?

A bit baffled cause the lengths some people would go to not play the game is impressive.
I just shitpost on this forum instead of not playing, it works a lot better than his approach.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-13 04:15:51  
Not in this thread. If you want you can be booted too.
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By Asura.Failaras 2015-11-13 04:19:17  
Well that isn't nice at all.
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By Afania 2015-11-13 06:12:26  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
however, definitely the best you can use for Wildfire and QD when capping recast reduction.

Mind sharing which NM dropped it?


Edit: Just saw noticed that helm can get higher than 35 mattk, my bad.
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By Odin.Ladyrikku 2015-11-13 06:22:27  
It has a base of 10mab so it would be 39 mab but that only me doing 10 tries, as seen in other screenshots, might be able to stack more MAB on it D:
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-13 06:28:37  
As much as I wish Pixie would last forever, these crazy augments on Herc gear might easily replace...well, everything.

Keep the info coming.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-11-13 07:11:57  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
As much as I wish Pixie would last forever, these crazy augments on Herc gear might easily replace...well, everything.


This... a quick spreadsheet check and plug in the number from formula on the 1st page showed that 25 AGI and 39 MAB from the helm has higher leaden salute dmg than 28 affinity from Pixie +1.

(time to sell the hairpin :P)
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-11-13 07:15:04  
Does your spreadsheet take into account that Pixie is affinity or does it simply consider it to be MAB?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-11-13 07:32:57  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
Does your spreadsheet take into account that Pixie is affinity or does it simply consider it to be MAB?


Just double checked, yeah it seems that in the original version of spreadsheet, pixie +1 has mab instead of affinity, which is incorrect.

But even with corrected version, 25 AGI 39 MAB still has higher numbers.

Or you can check with the formula listed on the 1st page:

{[2 * (Your AGI – Enemy INT)]} + fTP * {[152+(WeaponLevel-99)] * 2.45 + (AGI)]} * mab * staff bonus * day/weather bonuses

If player TP 3000 Base AGI: 200 MAB: 10 mob INT: 180 mdb: 50

225 AGI 49 MAB(use helm)=
(90+10x(172x2.45+225)) x 0.9= 4076

200 AGI 10 MAB 1.28 affinity = 3251

Unless I miscalculated something it seems that the helm in the SS still wins?
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By Asura.Galahadx 2015-11-13 13:51:43  
Ragnarok.Afania said: »

Just double checked, yeah it seems that in the original version of spreadsheet, pixie +1 has mab instead of affinity, which is incorrect.

But even with corrected version, 25 AGI 39 MAB still has higher numbers.

Or you can check with the formula listed on the 1st page:

{[2 * (Your AGI – Enemy INT)]} + fTP * {[152+(WeaponLevel-99)] * 2.45 + (AGI)]} * mab * staff bonus * day/weather bonuses

If player TP 3000 Base AGI: 200 MAB: 10 mob INT: 180 mdb: 50

225 AGI 49 MAB(use helm)=
(90+10x(172x2.45+225)) x 0.9= 4076

200 AGI 10 MAB 1.28 affinity = 3251

Unless I miscalculated something it seems that the helm in the SS still wins?

The problem is that affinity becomes more powerful the more MAB you have (since it's MAB * affinity factor), so you need to compare with realistic MAB values instead of just 10. On my spreadsheet, with about the ideal set from the guide, 3k TP leaden on 'Delve fodder' with no extra buffs is:

Pixie +1: 18474
Herc helm with +29 (+39 total): 18157

If you can get +35 though, herc helm with 45 total MAB: 18520

This isn't factoring in all the extra MAB you can get from augs on other herculean pieces though, which would swing back in favor of pixie. Not to mention MAB from buffs. I'm not sure we'll ever phase out pixie completely, even if it becomes just a high MAB piece.

Edit: I should mention that these calculations were with DP, using a Doomsday with MAB+25/WSD+7% I'm seeing pixie pull even further ahead with ideal Leaden set:

Pixie +1: 17655
Herc +45 total: 17391
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-11-13 14:32:56  
Asura.Galahadx said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »

Just double checked, yeah it seems that in the original version of spreadsheet, pixie +1 has mab instead of affinity, which is incorrect.

But even with corrected version, 25 AGI 39 MAB still has higher numbers.

Or you can check with the formula listed on the 1st page:

{[2 * (Your AGI – Enemy INT)]} + fTP * {[152+(WeaponLevel-99)] * 2.45 + (AGI)]} * mab * staff bonus * day/weather bonuses

If player TP 3000 Base AGI: 200 MAB: 10 mob INT: 180 mdb: 50

225 AGI 49 MAB(use helm)=
(90+10x(172x2.45+225)) x 0.9= 4076

200 AGI 10 MAB 1.28 affinity = 3251

Unless I miscalculated something it seems that the helm in the SS still wins?

The problem is that affinity becomes more powerful the more MAB you have (since it's MAB * affinity factor), so you need to compare with realistic MAB values instead of just 10. On my spreadsheet, with about the ideal set from the guide, 3k TP leaden on 'Delve fodder' with no extra buffs is:

Pixie +1: 18474
Herc helm with +29 (+39 total): 18157

If you can get +35 though, herc helm with 45 total MAB: 18520

This isn't factoring in all the extra MAB you can get from augs on other herculean pieces though, which would swing back in favor of pixie. Not to mention MAB from buffs. I'm not sure we'll ever phase out pixie completely, even if it becomes just a high MAB piece.

Edit: I should mention that these calculations were with DP, using a Doomsday with MAB+25/WSD+7% I'm seeing pixie pull even further ahead with ideal Leaden set:

Pixie +1: 17655
Herc +45 total: 17391


If you're using Montenten's spreasheet, one thing about it is that the mobs there has no mdb values, just evasion/def/agi/vit/level etc.

I'm not a math wizard like some of you here, so I may be wrong. It seems that the higher mdb the mob has, the more effective mab is?

Using the same formula, if the player has 200 AGI 100 mab, mob has 180 INT 200 mdb:

With pixie+1:
6254(base)x0.6(mab/mdb)x 1.28= 4803

With herc in SS: player has 225 AGI 139 mab
6554(base)x 0.79(mab/mdb)= 5177

Seems that as the target mdb goes up, mab becomes more effective?
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By Latnemurtsni 2015-11-13 23:17:44  
I never understood the whole affinity thing and I regret not buying Pixie +1 when I hit COR 99 like 6 months ago. I can't justify paying 11M for it now. T_T Anyone ELI5 Affinity on Pixie and Archon Ring? They're the two pieces I'm missing from my Leaden set.
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By Cerberus.Abro 2015-11-14 05:09:39  
Before I go to bed I got these tonight
Herculean Trousers
I couldn't figure out how to just post the pic here I don't usually post screenshots.

I haven't gotten any higher yet but I threw about 30 of each stone at them and you get macc/mab no matter which type but I saw fern had wsd+ also on them so I went for that.

Couldn't get that and high mab yet sadly and only stat+ I have seen so far were for str mnd and int I guess I will toss more at them later.

No idea what the ranged/melee glyptics can get.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-14 05:12:16  
Affinity is a separate multiplier from mab which is why it's so powerful.

ADL at least is not too hard(just bothersome to farm), give it a try with some friend, you'll also make some marrows in doing so.
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By Sandmaster 2015-11-14 08:26:39  
I just remeember, My Leaden's at 3K tp going from 15-17K DMG to 17-20k+ DMG (unresisted depending on buffs).

I always looked at my Pixie pin and wished the INT+27 was AGL+27.
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By Latnemurtsni 2015-11-14 17:14:43  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Affinity is a separate multiplier from mab which is why it's so powerful.

ADL at least is not too hard(just bothersome to farm), give it a try with some friend, you'll also make some marrows in doing so.

Ah! Well, it'll probably be even easier now that we can bring trusts in to Dynamis now.
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By Latnemurtsni 2015-11-14 17:15:35  
Sandmaster said: »
I just remeember, My Leaden's at 3K tp going from 15-17K DMG to 17-20k+ DMG (unresisted depending on buffs).

I always looked at my Pixie pin and wished the INT+27 was AGL+27.

That seems like more than enough reason to get one even now. Haha.
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By Asura.Suteru 2015-11-14 20:43:24  
Got MAB+35 and Macc+24 on my Herculean Boots.

RIP my Adhemar+1 for Leaden.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-11-15 15:47:25  
Latnemurtsni said: »
Sandmaster said: »
I just remeember, My Leaden's at 3K tp going from 15-17K DMG to 17-20k+ DMG (unresisted depending on buffs).

I always looked at my Pixie pin and wished the INT+27 was AGL+27.

That seems like more than enough reason to get one even now. Haha.


If I understand how mab/macc works on leaden correctly, seems like we should use pixie +1 on fodder and mab/macc aug herc helm on higher lv NM when you start seeing dmg drop or getting resists?
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2015-11-15 23:12:28  
Looking forward to seeing how this does on last stand with those new bullets!

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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2015-11-16 07:33:30  
Is that the gun added to Sinister Reign?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-11-16 08:44:58  
Sylph.Hyunkyl said: »
Is that the gun added to Sinister Reign?


It's from Reisenjima.

Edit: Link to the NM

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Strophadia
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By Asura.Loire 2015-11-16 08:57:40  
Sylph.Hyunkyl said: »
Is that the gun added to Sinister Reign?
Tier 2 reisen NM, believe it was the harpy for that one.
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By Asura.Suteru 2015-11-16 17:49:02  
What's the ingredients for the new bullets?
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