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By Bahamut.Savannahlynn 2013-06-05 20:14:51  
Fenrir.Motenten said: »
Just an FYI, since it was mentioned recently: Cor spreadsheet is completed, and ready for people to find bugs in use.

And Krizz: I'd estimate about 12 hours of work to complete it, altogether.

Thank you! :D
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2013-06-05 20:15:04  
Fenrir.Motenten said: »
Just an FYI, since it was mentioned recently: Cor spreadsheet is completed, and ready for people to find bugs in use.

And Krizz: I'd estimate about 12 hours of work to complete it, altogether.
Yep, more work than my sickened state would've been able to do in the past week. Many kudos to you for all your mathy-ness and spreadsheeting. You're awesome.
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-06-06 01:04:18  
Updated: Added the guns that I forgot to fill in before. Also set so that you can select the gun on the ranged gear page instead of the melee page.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2013-06-06 01:12:25  
Awesome work. Think this can be extended to ranger as well. Helel has been working on one. Maybe it can be edited into the same format
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-06 03:56:14  
Thanks a lot Motenten!
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By Bismarck.Sesshomaru 2013-06-08 17:23:22  
Quick question, would Aphotic Kukri with Joyeuese offhand be viable until I finish farming the plasm for delve sword? Or would it be more worth my while to just single hand the Kukri?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-08 18:09:43  
I would just single wield the kuri.
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By Phoenix.Jurges 2013-06-08 19:10:02  
If you already were screwed on inventory... I'm sorry

Just to reiterate what Seha has said, COR's semi-DD use has been limited against these new NMs. Keeping 4-5 rolls is pretty much mandatory and should be your priority. If you're not a horrible COR, this should not be a problem. If so, start practicing.
Once you get your rhythms, you can pew-pew, but not the way you've been used to and you'll need to be giving up inventory space.

Below is the Magic Accuracy sets I've been using to land Light Shots to enhance Dias and Dark Shots for Dispels. Outside NMs you shouldn't have a problem BUT inside you'll need additional buffs. Which means stay near the RDM and SCHs when your GEO is ringing his dinner bell. With a GEO's Magic Acc bubble, Magic Eva Down on the Mob, Warlock's Roll and Pear crepe you should be able to help out . If not, save your cards, you won't land.

And yes that's a Magic Acc gun. And yes, I know there's still some spots that need minor upgrades.

ItemSet 303817
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-08 19:20:19  
Reaver+1 is about the same as the ele grips, but saves space. Also thurandaut pants give more and also save you a slot. Armageddon and arctier are not far behind what you posted either, and if you shoot in faith that's even better. Moepapa/arvina rings too are ideal.
Just don't kill your inventory when there's things you can actually recycle from what you already got.

Don't drop mirke also, the recast is just so important.

Earrings are really the only thing that can't be helped.
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By Phoenix.Jurges 2013-06-08 19:39:53  
Is the Magic Acc:AGI ratio 1:1?

Also to each their own on recast. Landing is the the most important part and right now its not easy. Having high Acc is the most important on these Delve mega bosses. Just my two cents. I can provide the accuracy info at a later date. Still gathering as much info as I can. And I've tried to half *** the sets. I can guarantee a standard COR will miss over 85% of the time, so its worth the inventory space if you want to do more than just roll.

Just my opinion though. Good Luck :)

Edit: Trying the pants on these next few runs
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-06-08 20:16:28  
Phoenix.Jurges said: »
If you already were screwed on inventory... I'm sorry

Just to reiterate what Seha has said, COR's semi-DD use has been limited against these new NMs. Keeping 4-5 rolls is pretty much mandatory and should be your priority. If you're not a horrible COR, this should not be a problem. If so, start practicing.
Once you get your rhythms, you can pew-pew, but not the way you've been used to and you'll need to be giving up inventory space.

Below is the Magic Accuracy sets I've been using to land Light Shots to enhance Dias and Dark Shots for Dispels. Outside NMs you shouldn't have a problem BUT inside you'll need additional buffs. Which means stay near the RDM and SCHs when your GEO is ringing his dinner bell. With a GEO's Magic Acc bubble, Magic Eva Down on the Mob, Warlock's Roll and Pear crepe you should be able to help out . If not, save your cards, you won't land.

And yes that's a Magic Acc gun. And yes, I know there's still some spots that need minor upgrades.

ItemSet 303817

You don't need to 'land' light shot to enhance dia if that's what you're implying. It can be resisted and still enhance it (unless this has been proven wrong recently, and I missed it). You might as well shoot with full -recast. The magic accuracy can be important for dark shot, though.
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By Afania 2013-06-08 20:54:36  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Reaver+1 is about the same as the ele grips, but saves space. Also thurandaut pants give more and also save you a slot. Armageddon and arctier are not far behind what you posted either, and if you shoot in faith that's even better. Moepapa/arvina rings too are ideal.
Just don't kill your inventory when there's things you can actually recycle from what you already got.

Don't drop mirke also, the recast is just so important.

Earrings are really the only thing that can't be helped.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Reaver+1 is about the same as the ele grips, but saves space. Also thurandaut pants give more and also save you a slot. Armageddon and arctier are not far behind what you posted either

Macc Erra has +MP for /WHM though!
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By Phoenix.Jurges 2013-06-08 21:46:46  
I slept Tojil lol.. good times. Just as good as a stun lmao
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-09 06:00:49  
2 agi=1 macc
1 marks skill=1 macc

so pretty much the earrings are the only extra that should be required. Rest is all stuff already there for other sets.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-10 07:59:04  
Cor and boss runs
I've been asked, but here's the deal: cor can't go to bosses expecting to deal damage.

This is my current full racc set
ItemSet 304010
(Missing abjurations for body/feet and nobody wants to do Meeble Batallia..rest is ideal)
With this, average hunter's roll and squid sushi I have something like 750ish ranged accuracy and considering Tojil guesstimated evasion is 800+ it's complete crap. Adding path B surefire arquebus and ranger sub would add 40-50 accuracy. Post agi correction adjustment we can expect 50ish more accuracy as well...still not high enough. And I'm a mithra with agi merits, other races without merits have even less.
Considering the other two naakuals are even worse in terms of evasion it goes by itself that shooting these guys is pretty bad for us.

But we have magic damage! Not really, the mobs have an insane mdb and our Wildfires, Leaden and Quick Draws are terrible too.

Give it up, for these bosses you have to play full support. Use Light shot to enhance dia, dark shot to dispel when necessary. Sub scholar and just support the dds with rolls and emergency magic.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-06-10 08:43:25  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Cor and boss runs
I've been asked, but here's the deal: cor can't go to bosses expecting to deal damage.

This is my current full racc set
ItemSet 304010
(Missing abjurations for body/feet and nobody wants to do Meeble Batallia..rest is ideal)
With this, average hunter's roll and squid sushi I have something like 750ish ranged accuracy and considering Tojil guesstimated evasion is 800+ it's complete crap. Adding path B surefire arquebus and ranger sub would add 40-50 accuracy. Post agi correction adjustment we can expect 50ish more accuracy as well...still not high enough. And I'm a mithra with agi merits, other races without merits have even less.
Considering the other two naakuals are even worse in terms of evasion it goes by itself that shooting these guys is pretty bad for us.

But we have magic damage! Not really, the mobs have an insane mdb and our Wildfires, Leaden and Quick Draws are terrible too.

Give it up, for these bosses you have to play full support. Use Light shot to enhance dia, dark shot to dispel when necessary. Sub scholar and just support the dds with rolls and emergency magic.


I guess I bought my archer's knife for nothing :(
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-06-10 08:50:31  
I've helped cure3 spam enough PLDs holding 3+ NMs when I get stuck in the tank party that I half jokingly starting working on making a cure set the other day..

But yeah you can prettymuch cure III spam like there is no tommorrow.
Healer's roll+Evoker's roll and this potency/refresh set:
ItemSet 303372
Some slots there isnt really anything good put stacking vit+mnd seems the only option for the cure formula and mnd for accession stoneskin anyways.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-06-10 09:00:05  
Valefor.Sapphire said: »
I've helped cure3 spam enough PLDs holding 3+ NMs when I get stuck in the tank party that I half jokingly starting working on making a cure set the other day..

But yeah you can prettymuch cure III spam like there is no tommorrow.
Healer's roll+Evoker's roll and this potency/refresh set:
ItemSet 303372
Some slots there isnt really anything good put stacking vit+mnd seems the only option for the cure formula and mnd for accession stoneskin anyways.


Should idle in refresh and cure in cure potency.

Cure precast
ItemSet 288315

Cure potency
ItemSet 288328
Cure potency augment on head

Made those sets ages ago for BRD mode not sure if it's up to date or not.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-06-10 09:07:50  
wouldnt swap out staff in case I have the opportunity to still be QD/WS'ing at something.

Also with other pre/endcast gear in that finger/leg/weap slot, you could miss a +3 refresh tick from oneiros grip, roller's ring (cause everyone has at least 1 roll thats an 11 right?) and refresh subligar.

Best case scenario right now you get +5 tick from tricorne+2 proc with evokers and +4/tick more from the set I listed if you spam cast enough to get into < 75% manapool range and are riding 1 roll on an 11 which is pretty sweet before you add in bard ballad.

Some days I would really kill for a corsair's equivalent of pianissimo for rolls >.>
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-10 09:25:29  
Main reason why we can't drop chatoyant staff is for the QD accuracy, we really must keep it. Although Afania's idea to swap in Sanus for heals is good, afterall if the tp is useless might as well use the added efficiency. For these runs might very well just leave offensive gear at home to make room for macc and other utility stuff like heals and refresh.
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By Afania 2013-06-10 09:41:02  
Valefor.Sapphire said: »
wouldnt swap out staff in case I have the opportunity to still be QD/WS'ing at something.

Also with other pre/endcast gear in that finger/leg/weap slot, you could miss a +3 refresh tick from oneiros grip, roller's ring (cause everyone has at least 1 roll thats an 11 right?) and refresh subligar.

Best case scenario right now you get +5 tick from tricorne+2 proc with evokers and +4/tick more from the set I listed if you spam cast enough to get into < 75% manapool range and are riding 1 roll on an 11 which is pretty sweet before you add in bard ballad.

Some days I would really kill for a corsair's equivalent of pianissimo for rolls >.>


No mage ever cast cure in refresh just because you can miss 1 tic refresh though, and COR BRD mode really needs ballad to be effective tbh.
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By fractalvoid 2013-06-13 23:23:03  
So I haven't played really in like a month and half so I'm gunna be a bit derpy here but from what I understand there's no point to using Midrium Bullets, correct? I will be meleeing for TP in delve plasm parties, and using WF (Orichalcum Bullets) or melee WS.

For QD, I'd be using Omphalos? Or is Midrium better?
Even so it's probably not even worth carrying around since I just use Damascus on RNG and carrying around a stack of bullets when I'll likely never use them seems asinine :<
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-14 03:48:33  
Midrium is the best LastStand and QD damage bullet. For WF orichalcum, for Light/Dark shots Omphalos.
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By fractalvoid 2013-06-14 10:32:26  
hrm, knew about last stand but wasnt sure how relevant it was on any new content since it doesn't even seem to be viable for plasm farm lol

good to know midrium is better for dmg qd though.i coulda just looked at the front page but didn't even think about it last night
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By Carbuncle.Drygell 2013-06-15 11:41:59  
got a derpy question about manibozho gloves ? are they worth getting and upgrading via racc path or not worth bothering with at all ?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-15 11:43:48  
If you have Sigyn, don't bother, if you don't do salvage2 then get them on path B.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-06-15 19:38:57  
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If you have Sigyn, don't bother. If you don't, do salvage2 then get [Manibozho] for preshot build.

ftfy

Also, Having just leveled COR for my LS, could someone recommend a no-AF2/3 build so I can use it if I'm asked while I'm still chasing seals/gems? atm just using some carry-over from RNG which is POSSIBLY good-enough but just wanted to ask.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-15 19:45:26  
I wouldn't bother spending plasma on it only for snapshot either. Pending exact values on gear relic hands are free.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-06-15 19:52:14  
I got them for RNG, and I'd expect they'd be higher than lv75era gear. Granted I'm currently playing COR as "RNG-lite" when not rolling so I very well could be urdoinitrong.
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By Ragnarok.Azryel 2013-06-15 20:33:30  
Carbuncle.Drygell said: »
got a derpy question about manibozho gloves ? are they worth getting and upgrading via racc path or not worth bothering with at all ?

I don't know what the level 15 values are, but the extra 10% recycle in itself isn't a bad thing for COR...

For TP I'm using this at the moment on high end content:
ItemSet 272925

My pre-shot is (largely comprised of space-saving, lazy options):
aurore beret (too lazy to get head from the past)
Augmented crimson finger gauntlets (too lazy to refarm HQ, and I don't want -1 space for relic hands)
mustela brais (same pants I use on RNG, and I don't want -1 space for AF3 legs which I otherwise presently have no use for)
impulse belt
wurrukatte boots

If I were to pick up Manibozho gloves it would be strictly for the recycle, depending on the snapshot value which hasn't really been assessed yet.
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