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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2013-05-22 08:40:21  
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All new crafted weapons require stupid things like delve Naakual mats. For now, just ignore Donderbuss existance and work on a Surefire Arquebus. I recommend path B since cor needs all the ranged accuracy it can get.

But when do we get a good corsair-only weapon that doesn't look like butt? =(

Still waiting on a true end-game Hexgun. They made such a big deal about them at corsair's launch, but they've never truly been the best options.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-22 08:42:06  
I can't wait to see the naakual gun! I bet it'll come from the thunder bird and have some golden colour! Either way it'll be supercool! But I suspect rng/cor so probably not hexagun.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2013-05-22 08:51:27  
Wish Alex came in faster. Still not quite halfway through with the wife's, let alone mine...and as time goes I find myself desiring Death Penalty more and more despite it's increasingly dubious worthiness. But playtime has been so limited recently. Haven't even been able to do Salvage daily.
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By Afania 2013-05-22 11:42:48  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I can't wait to see the naakual gun! I bet it'll come from the thunder bird and have some golden colour! Either way it'll be supercool! But I suspect rng/cor so probably not hexagun.


SE going to release new gun next update? ;0
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-23 04:44:44  
Yup! Next 3 naakuals should have gun, gs, gaxe, club, staff, katana and maybe bow and scythe(probably not). EXCITEMENT!
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-23 06:27:53  
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Yup! Next 3 naakuals should have gun, gs, gaxe, club, staff, katana and maybe bow and scythe(probably not). EXCITEMENT!


SE said that or we're just guessing because delve boss doesn't drop ex/rare gun? I thought delve boss already drop AH craftable version of super weapons.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-23 06:32:19  
Not delve, naakuals. Which will then translate to the new Delve Naakuals. It's pretty obvious.
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By Cerberus.Balloon 2013-05-23 06:53:41  
I'd love more hexaguns, I always thought they should sit somewhere between an xbow and a gun in terms of Dmg and Delay, and I really don't see the need to make it job specific.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-23 06:55:18  
Hexaguns are corsair specific, they're related to the Epharamadian Pirates lore.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2013-05-23 07:22:05  
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I'd love more hexaguns, I always thought they should sit somewhere between an xbow and a gun in terms of Dmg and Delay, and I really don't see the need to make it job specific.

Additionally, they already do -- mostly -- sit in the position as you described. Generally lower damage/delay that regular guns, but higher than some crossbows...though that's not a hard and fast rule; there are a few hexguns that are extremely low damage/delay and there are a variety of crossbow types with varying delay/damage/stat attributes.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-26 06:58:00  
I've had doubts for a while but was too lazy to actually check, but here's the Quick Draw guns hierarchy:

1. 99 DP

2. Surefire Arquebus

3. 99 Armageddon / Hgafircian with max damage

4. Ice Erra

5. 90 Armageddon

Ignored Donderbuss since it's not even obtainable. So, we actually don't need the ice gun anymore!
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-26 15:30:10  
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I'm parsing about 67% acc on ceizak delve fodder which is about 10% lower accuracy than the DD in my party im supporting when I do cor/dnc. thats with 40acc from gear and eating sushi on cor/dnc.

The DD have been fine tuning their gear and havent been able to go higher than 80% avg on fodder farms because the super evasion boosts kick in and screw everyone over the length of the whole run.

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Remember Ceizak Delve will occasionally floor your acc, so it'll throw your parser off most times you go in there.
It's probably best to try another zone for a more accurate result.

Did morimar fodder farm earlier, parsed about 93% accuracy with March x2+ Chaos+ fighter roll without sacrificing tones of dmg for acc. DW head and 25 haste, meeble back piece, rest all thaumas body/legs and such. I have rank 2~3 path A weapons, and it's possible to cap acc with higher rank or path B. Acc song/roll aren't needed with sushi I think.
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By Ragnarok.Umisith 2013-05-27 05:39:59  
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Did morimar fodder farm earlier, parsed about 93% accuracy with March x2+ Chaos+ fighter roll without sacrificing tones of dmg for acc. DW head and 25 haste, meeble back piece, rest all thaumas body/legs and such. I have rank 2~3 path A weapons, and it's possible to cap acc with higher rank or path B. Acc song/roll aren't needed with sushi I think.

How much %dmg difference VS a samurai or warrior in fracture? I know that cor will lose but i want to see if its worth to spend 90k in 3 weapons for cor or not.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-27 06:48:18  
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Did morimar fodder farm earlier, parsed about 93% accuracy with March x2+ Chaos+ fighter roll without sacrificing tones of dmg for acc. DW head and 25 haste, meeble back piece, rest all thaumas body/legs and such. I have rank 2~3 path A weapons, and it's possible to cap acc with higher rank or path B. Acc song/roll aren't needed with sushi I think.

How much %dmg difference VS a samurai or warrior in fracture? I know that cor will lose but i want to see if its worth to spend 90k in 3 weapons for cor or not.
I have the delve sword, dagger and gun.

Corsair is there to make the other DDs better with their rolls, and even melee'n+shootin your heart out with delve weaps you'll do 1/2 to 1/3 of what a competent+ well geared delve samurai in your party benefiting from your rolls is doing.
Without a delve weapon you'll do far worse so its a significant upgrade if you want to help your overall plasm farming speed.
A DD party without a cor and its rolls+doing damage isn't going to perform as well, so the party slot is totally justified and you shouldn't get hung up on 'we only do half a samurai's damage'

Theres some quirky cases like the chapuli NM where /dnc +delve sword+dagger tp phase damage and 20% critrate will put you in the top 5 that grind the NMs hp down low (before its low enough for it to be finished off by ws spam).

If I had to do it all over again, i'd still stick with getting sword->dagger->gun in that order since requiescat spam and plasm farming is a majority of my time.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-27 06:54:40  
Should always do more damage with Exenterator than Requiescat, unless the enemy has pdt.
We don't really use Last Stand on anything so I agree the gun is oddly not a priority(unless you want to maximize your QD output...which is very relevant on naakuals, mind you).
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-27 07:05:48  
Exenterator spikes nicer but i'm better geared for requiescat and have it merited more because I blu sometimes, so my bias is showing on ws choice.

Also Requie looks cooler :P
just need that Chocaliztli Mask still....
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-27 07:14:41  
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
I'm parsing about 67% acc on ceizak delve fodder which is about 10% lower accuracy than the DD in my party im supporting when I do cor/dnc. thats with 40acc from gear and eating sushi on cor/dnc.

The DD have been fine tuning their gear and havent been able to go higher than 80% avg on fodder farms because the super evasion boosts kick in and screw everyone over the length of the whole run.

Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Remember Ceizak Delve will occasionally floor your acc, so it'll throw your parser off most times you go in there.
It's probably best to try another zone for a more accurate result.

Did morimar fodder farm earlier, parsed about 93% accuracy with March x2+ Chaos+ fighter roll without sacrificing tones of dmg for acc. DW head and 25 haste, meeble back piece, rest all thaumas body/legs and such. I have rank 2~3 path A weapons, and it's possible to cap acc with higher rank or path B. Acc song/roll aren't needed with sushi I think.

That's great, I was talking about Ceizak though.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-27 07:28:13  
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Corsair is there to make the other DDs better with their rolls, and even melee'n+shootin your heart out with delve weaps you'll do 1/2 to 1/3 of what a competent+ well geared delve samurai in your party benefiting from your rolls is doing.


1/3? That's impossible. According to my experience in fracture if COR isn't pulling it's around 60%~70% or 2/3(at minimum, 50%, but 30% is way too low) of competent delve DD, obviously pulling lowers output but it's necessary if your DD pt is good enough. Also kind of dependent on whether your BRD has 4 songs or not(SAM DRK may get less benefit from 2 more attack song than COR I think), and whether your mage needs evoker or not. SCH usually doesn't need evoker, so I don't sacrifice pt output to evoker them.

If COR isn't busy with pulling, and can't do more than at least 50%~70% of most delve DD on fracture fodder, it's either:

1. You didn't tweak TP set. Ideally you'd need 2 TP set based on whether DD needs hunter/acc songs or not. Some lower tier delve DD can't cap accuracy without hunter/acc song, if BRD only has 2 songs I do chaos+hunter instead, then I'd change TP set around for higher dmg. If DDs can cap acc with just chaos/DA/attk song, then I'd TP in a TP set with higher acc. The TP set posted on 1st page may not have enough accuracy on delve fodder if hunter/acc song not on. Personally I used thurandaut hands and tiercel neck to cap haste + thaumas leg + meeble acc back piece if I don't use hunter's roll and not getting acc songs, everything else same as setup on 1st page. You should be able to reach cap if you have high enough acc augment on delve feet/weapons. There may be other better setup though.

2. You're using wrong WS. Req is bad on delve fodder unless you have a 4 song BRD and singing 2 attack songs. And if they do have 4 songs for extra attack, exen/last stand should still do more(exen if you want to be cheap like me, last stand if you want to epeen by tossing gil). If you don't have enough attack, may as well just wildfire all the way. Most of the groups I been to light shot help sleep isn't necessary, and I have 2hr/random deal for emergency sleep, so I mostly just burn fire shot on wildfire. Fireshot + Firestorm from SCH or WHM can boost wildfire dmg to okish level if you don't have enough attack. Nothing as epic as shoha, but still better than req.

3. Your DDs are way too godly. I pt with many DD and I've never seen any DD can do 3 time more dmg than COR not pulling nor dying, not yet.


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Should always do more damage with Exenterator than Requiescat, unless the enemy has pdt.
We don't really use Last Stand on anything so I agree the gun is oddly not a priority(unless you want to maximize your QD output...which is very relevant on naakuals, mind you).


We don't last stand on anything because new bullets are too precious ._.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-27 07:37:17  
Hunter shouldn't be needed for plasma farming, if it is it means someone didn't eat his pizza. In Ceizak when the mobs get eva boost hunter isn't going to help you either, just have to deal with the whiff fest.

I also believe the bard should pull and not us. But I've always been a "princess cor" :p
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-27 07:37:42  
Ceizak fracture boost is every 3 minutes right on the dot and kills your acc for ~30 seconds so 17% of the time your acc is garbage so an overall parse accuracy of 75-80% is good if all you have is data for that zone.

Someone in our shell runs a script that puts a 5second warning in chat before the boost is about to happen so it saves people from blowing their ws at a bad time.

Morimar stuff is squishier and easy to cap acc on, cor can expect to see 50-100k more overall damage output there.

Ceizak slow/atkdown/amnesia/eruca cocoon hurts our damage output more than the status down effects you get from morimar fodder, although I wanna strangle an eft whenever it dispels my 11'd rolls in morimar.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-27 07:38:54  
Ceizak really sucks, yet it seems it's the only one people do <.< I prefer Morimar much more.
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By Afania 2013-05-27 07:42:44  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Hunter shouldn't be needed for plasma farming, if it is it means someone didn't eat his pizza. In Ceizak when the mobs get eva boost hunter isn't going to help you either, just have to deal with the whiff fest.


You don't need it if your DD knows what they're doing. But many DDs I pt with can't cap accuracy without hunter, for the sake of my plasm gain and everyone else's, I'd just do hunter for them anyways. I usually turn off log filter so I know who is missing swings entire time so I can change rolls. And trust me, PUG delve DDs that can't cap accuracy without hunter is more common than you think ._.

Edit: I'm talking about morimar. Some ppl still rocking at 77% hit rate and full time twilight in morimar, with a delve weapon.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-27 07:48:11  
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Hunter shouldn't be needed for plasma farming, if it is it means someone didn't eat his pizza. In Ceizak when the mobs get eva boost hunter isn't going to help you either, just have to deal with the whiff fest.

I also believe the bard should pull and not us. But I've always been a "princess cor" :p


I don't always pull if my pt camps near entrance, because 1 BRD for pulling is enough. But if DD pt goes to section 2 in morimar, it may need more than one puller, in that case I just let BRD stay and help sleep and I go pull, because if BRD goes out and pull and COR stays for sleeps, there may not be enough sleep charges when puller bring 5 mobs back ._.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-27 07:51:33  
What sub job is ideal for COR for delve in general?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-27 07:52:49  
Dancer should be your best bet. Can dualwield delve dagger+sword and haste samba.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-27 07:54:55  
ok, works for me, thanks!
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-27 08:08:38  
This is what I TP in atm because noone does NNI and my tags are busy being used for other things atm:
/dnc of course.
ItemSet 302286
I kinda cling to this build because the sphereboost for the others, the acc from sword+dagger skill on the pieces, plus 17acc and its one of the few builds I can pull off 25-26% haste and still get ~22% parsed critrate for myself at the same time.
For food I bounce between sushi if we do NMs, otherwise ycb cause my alexandrite habit takes its toll on my pocket :P

Nearly all the time for fodder or NMs we only have 2song bards so we only get double marches and when we rotate bards for NM its marchx2 madx2.

If a cor can do over 200k total damage dealt per run without a 3-4 song derpaderpharp bard i'd love to know how. I also stop to pull/cc adds with lightshot and roll evokers for mages sometimes which kills my own damage output.

I dunno what classifies samurais as godly but ours do 600k+ damage total per run each sometimes and they spike 8-9k shohas >.>
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-27 08:19:16  
This is what I'm using as a temporary stop gap, until I get more delve stuff for it, I've been slacking with it to be honest though.

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Been using exenterator most of the time, but it generally has the same output as requiescat for me so far.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-27 09:36:03  
@Sapphire: Heartseeker+dudgeon earrings are the best upgrade you can make if you need extra accuracy, aside from Letalis.

@Leo: thurandaut chapeau, skadi hands and manibozho feet would be ideal. Otherwise any haste+4 hands to bring you to 25 without needing the head.
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