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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-10 01:48:59  
Delve NMs don't have very high DEF
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-10 04:14:29  
I didn't notice cor could use the new sword, thanks for pointing it out.

I have the same issue as Afania though, no room for a Req build ._. aside from cor having poor options in general.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-10 12:08:07  
About Manibozho set augments:

Head: path A for Requiescat.

Body: path B fully augmented beats Tessera Saio(but saio still wins cause it's pretty while jerkin is terrible).

Hands: path B alternative to Sigyn for the same purposes - shooting and LS, but slightly inferior.

Pants: melee tp, but can skip.

Feet: good melee tp for a set that implies Thurandaut chapeau for dualwield. Also beat Thaumas for Last Stand if using path B.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-10 12:57:13  
I think my main concern with going melee cor with /dnc in delve is having sufficient accuracy during the tp phase for it to not be a whiff-fest.
Halachuinic Sword main with Aphotic Kukri offhand would give +34 acc though, but a 5-hit ws will be hard to land all its hits on adoulin monsters.

Having the option to melee for tp and do fair damage with requiescat would be a nice option. On cor and rng just shooting i'm lucky to get more than a couple shots off on fodder monsters before something dies in a cloud of reso/shoha/upheaval spam.
I can't count the number of times a fodder monster dies while I am mid-shot/barrage.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-10 13:03:07  
Going ranged on fodder monsters is so pointless. Should only be considered for bosses.
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2013-05-10 13:13:31  
Afania said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
With buffs and an OK requiescat set I was doing pretty consistent 2k requiescats even to mobs with PDT

Since I was /DNC I even popped sambas and used steps lol


O.O I thought req gonna suck on those NMs due to attack penalty, that's pretty interesting....

Although I have 5/5 merit in it, not enough inv for COR req build :(

^This and this exactly. I would have to leave behind a full set to gimp myself on performance to build a req. set. With my current sets I am 74/80 on space as is and im missing a few pieces still to fill those spots in other sets.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-10 13:49:35  
I mean I had to stop pretending that firing mostly missed ranged attacks and half-resisted wildfires was providing any sort of contribution

Wildfire works well on some of the NMS but at least half of them seem to resist the hell out of it (especially in Foret and Morimar where mobs are Water and Fire based - respectively)

It would probably be better if the BRDs were giving me Preludes but since we're almost always rotating 8+ songs and the BRDs also need to toss songs on the mages it's really just a burden imo (and since we're doing stuff in fractures we have ~10m to kill each NM and be on schedule so COR's ranged attacks *really* are not making a contribution compared to me subbing DNC adding an additional debuff (eva or def down) and an extra source of attack speed - Samba is also really effective at making the Wamoura spam exuviation btw!)
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By Bismarck.Nesumi 2013-05-11 07:59:03  
Final augments as of now, pretty sure many of these beat a lot of the old gears.

Manibozho Beret
DEF:45 Ranged Attack+15 Ranged Accuracy+10 AGI+10 DEX+10 INT+10 MND+10 Accuracy+12 Evasion+12 Haste+6%

Manibozho Jerkin
DEF:68 Ranged Attack+15 Ranged Accuracy+10 DEX+15 AGI+25 Accuracy+17 Attack+17 Haste+4%

Manibozho Gloves
DEF:40 Ranged Attack+25 Ranged Accuracy+10 AGI+10 Enmity-7 Enhances "Snapshot" effect "Recycle"

Manibozho Brais
DEF:51 Ranged Attack+15 Ranged Accuracy+10 AGI+10 STR+12 DEX+12 Attack+15 Evasion+10 Haste+6%

Manibozho Boots
DEF:32 Ranged Attack+15 Ranged Accuracy+10 AGI+10 MP+45 Attack+12 "Double Attack"+2% Haste+4%
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-11 08:01:37  
I just posted in this very page what the augments are worth.

Just didn't add to the first post yet cause there's a lot of rewriting to do for the alternatives.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-11 13:44:07  
Help me on this: for cor/dnc I am wondering if Mextli harness could be ideal(dw 3%). Does the increase on the party's dps(crit rate+3% during tp phase) outweight the slight increase in the cor dps using Thaumas body?

Something like

Manibozho/Asperity/Dudgeon/Heartseeker
Mextli/Thurandaut/Epona/Rajas
Letalis/Twilight/Manibozho/Manibozho

thoughts?
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By Lakshmi.Rooks 2013-05-11 13:47:30  
I think that scenario involves so many variables you couldn't really have a right answer unless you plugged in everything about your party. Like, what WS are your party members using - crit rate matters more if it's all Ukko's and Smite, than if it's Resolution, etc.

My gut says "If you have a solid Requiescat set, your own DPS is probably going to win, or it'll be so close it won't matter".
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-12 12:38:26  
Updated the gearsets with delve gear. As usual all alternatives are explained beneath each set.
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By Bismarck.Nesumi 2013-05-12 14:29:08  
Hmm, I'm not sure if Kheper or even Khepri body is better than Manibozho..

Khepri
DEF:64 STR+15 DEX+15 AGI+15 Accuracy+18 Ranged Accuracy+22 Adds "Regen" effect, + WS 5%

Kheper
DEF:63 STR+12 DEX+12 AGI+12 Accuracy+15 Ranged Accuracy+19 Adds "Regen" effect

Manibozho Jerkin
DEF:68 Ranged Attack+15 Ranged Accuracy+10 DEX+15 AGI+25 Accuracy+17 Attack+17 Haste+4%?

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What about the NQ version vs Manibozho?

For Last stand,

Wouldn't Manibozho beat Siyns?
Manibozho
DEF:40 Ranged Attack+25 Ranged Accuracy+10 AGI+10 Enmity-7 Enhances "Snapshot" effect "Recycle"

Sigyn's Bazubands
DEF:31 STR+8 AGI+8 Ranged Accuracy+12 Ranged Attack+12 Marksmanship skill +6 Enmity-5
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-12 14:34:15  
Did math for Khepri, it still wins. Didn't check kheper, but I would guess it's about the same damage as Manibozho.

For hands, Sigyn have more accuracy which is what makes them more desirable, and the str offsets the lesser attack.
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By Ragnarok.Bepe 2013-05-12 14:36:01  
Quick comment on the guide. You never show a full ranged tp set for corsair on high end evasive content that is still 5 hit such as delve NMs. I know that you said shooting is probably not worth it but I think we could make it worth it with a max acc set no? Perhaps subbing ranger(lol) for the ranged acc trait as well. Meleeing some of those nms just seem like unneccessary tp feed/bonus healing mages have to do. Currently I just sit back and quickdraw = leaden salute or wildfire when I get tp from quickdraw.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-12 14:38:44  
There is an ideal accuracy set under Legion. I should move it among the other sets sorry, not the first time it goes unnoticed.
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By Ragnarok.Bepe 2013-05-12 15:23:54  
Ahh ty, sorry for missing it!
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-12 16:36:14  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Help me on this: for cor/dnc I am wondering if Mextli harness could be ideal(dw 3%). Does the increase on the party's dps(crit rate+3% during tp phase) outweight the slight increase in the cor dps using Thaumas body?

Something like

Manibozho/Asperity/Dudgeon/Heartseeker
Mextli/Thurandaut/Epona/Rajas
Letalis/Twilight/Manibozho/Manibozho

thoughts?
I'm parsing about 67% acc on ceizak delve fodder which is about 10% lower accuracy than the DD in my party im supporting when I do cor/dnc. thats with 40acc from gear and eating sushi on cor/dnc.

The DD have been fine tuning their gear and havent been able to go higher than 80% avg on fodder farms because the super evasion boosts kick in and screw everyone over the length of the whole run.

I've been tp'ing in a saio but I thought about going with my mextli for the good of the DD in my pt since 2H DD crits with these weapons are pretty beastly, maybe rogue's roll can be viable instead of chaos roll?

For now I have been doing tactician+chaos and able to fulltime haste samba while still being able to Requiescat spam. My party is doing better damage and outperforming the other parties by an even larger margin than usual with me on cor instead of coming as a 2song bard >.>;
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-12 16:45:10  
Let's not forget Mextli also offers a huge accuracy boost. Around +24.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-12 16:49:42  
Valefor.Sapphire said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Help me on this: for cor/dnc I am wondering if Mextli harness could be ideal(dw 3%). Does the increase on the party's dps(crit rate+3% during tp phase) outweight the slight increase in the cor dps using Thaumas body?

Something like

Manibozho/Asperity/Dudgeon/Heartseeker
Mextli/Thurandaut/Epona/Rajas
Letalis/Twilight/Manibozho/Manibozho

thoughts?
I'm parsing about 67% acc on ceizak delve fodder which is about 10% lower accuracy than the DD in my party im supporting when I do cor/dnc. thats with 40acc from gear and eating sushi on cor/dnc.

Remember Ceizak Delve will occasionally floor your acc, so it'll throw your parser off most times you go in there.
It's probably best to try another zone for a more accurate result.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-12 16:56:34  
I would not put significant effort into melee accuracy builds at this point in time because we know they're going to mess with the dex/acc ratio next month

That said if you're having issues with accuracy on fodder mobs I would advise you to either start bringing a BRD with at least 90 harp or ask a mage to cast blindna on you
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-12 17:24:58  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Let's not forget Mextli also offers a huge accuracy boost. Around +24.
Yup i'm fairly certain integrating the mextli body into my tp set and getting the aphotic kukri for an offhander would make acc no longer an issue for a corsair trying to hit delve mobs and match the acc of the heavy dd.
Is +1 sword skill still +1acc?, I thought it started dropping off to 0.8 or 0.9 acc per skillpoint past a certain amount.

One thing i'm not sure about is how much accuracy needs to be integrated into requiescat builds to get all the hits to land on harder content.
I'm seeing a large damage spread right now that im attributing to some of the hits in the 5hit ws missing based on my accuracy parse %.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-12 17:33:19  
Manibozho/gorget/brutal/ghillie
Thaumas/athos/aquasoul
Letalis/elebelt/thaumas/thaumas

This should work for Requiescat accuracy set.

Edit: bladeborn+steelflash set may work better actually.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-05-12 17:35:12  
Valefor.Sapphire said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Help me on this: for cor/dnc I am wondering if Mextli harness could be ideal(dw 3%). Does the increase on the party's dps(crit rate+3% during tp phase) outweight the slight increase in the cor dps using Thaumas body?

Something like

Manibozho/Asperity/Dudgeon/Heartseeker
Mextli/Thurandaut/Epona/Rajas
Letalis/Twilight/Manibozho/Manibozho

thoughts?
I'm parsing about 67% acc on ceizak delve fodder which is about 10% lower accuracy than the DD in my party im supporting when I do cor/dnc. thats with 40acc from gear and eating sushi on cor/dnc.

The DD have been fine tuning their gear and havent been able to go higher than 80% avg on fodder farms because the super evasion boosts kick in and screw everyone over the length of the whole run.

I've been tp'ing in a saio but I thought about going with my mextli for the good of the DD in my pt since 2H DD crits with these weapons are pretty beastly, maybe rogue's roll can be viable instead of chaos roll?

For now I have been doing tactician+chaos and able to fulltime haste samba while still being able to Requiescat spam. My party is doing better damage and outperforming the other parties by an even larger margin than usual with me on cor instead of coming as a 2song bard >.>;

Pretty sure rogue's roll will never replace chaos roll, but you could replace tact roll with it (I wouldn't). I've also been doing tact+chaos, mainly because, even with a puller, there can be quite a bit of downtime between fights, so the regain really makes a difference. It makes even more of a difference in ceizak when the dreadful energy crap occurs, as you can then have enough TP to weapon skill when it wears off.

Ladybugs are also extremely evasive in there. The beetles/diremites/crawlers are very easy to hit for most DDs (I think). I eat RCB on RNG and have no problems with accuracy. The ladybugs suck though. I have to save sharpshot just for those.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-12 17:36:33  
If attack is capped I'd do fighters rather than rogue. I'd keep regain as well for these.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-12 18:23:25  
We have 2-3 aggressive pullers for plasm fodder runs so I agree tacticians has been totally worth it.

Choice of the 2nd roll is what i've been second guessing since stuff is dying ridiculously fast already and 6k+ plasm a run is becoming the norm.
Does a capped attack situation for delve mean rcb+double minuet?
The normal buff situation so far has been double march+chaos+tactician with some dd on sushi and others geared well enough to go back to rcb's for food.
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By Bahamut.Orinthia 2013-05-13 00:50:37  
Eating squid sushi, hunters, two preludes, and around 130 racc in gear, managed around 60% racc on Tutewehiwehi (outside in morimar). This as cor/sch, giving myself firestorm and spamming wildfire, managed around 12% dmg for the group (26 wildfires, avg 1774dmg), which was on par with some of the melees. I shot 99 times (used 68 bullets btw), though we just couldn't kill the thing before depop.

Depressed at how terrible racc is for most of these things. It is a bit refreshing after having a power rush for the past couple years, but still depressing...

If I could get someone to cast firestorm on me, I'd give /rng a try. Mages are too busy keeping folks alive and generally aren't /sch. Haven't fought much else though besides ceizak delve and a couple morimar NMs.

Can leaden salute be really geared for and made decent? Even with a modded wildfire set (archon ring, agi belt) it's just terrible... no real saving it is there?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-13 02:24:40  
Only difference from WF for a Leaden set is Archon ring and Anrin obi, but damage won't be as high as WF unless you have a mythic, and even then it's still not as good, so don't expect too much.

Sadly I've only fought 3 nms so far cause there's never a shout in my playtime, so can't help much yet, I'll trust what you guys are saying as far as damage/acc parsing goes.
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By Bismarck.Nesumi 2013-05-13 07:13:22  
Cerberus.Balloon said: »
Cerberus.Stalkster said: »
Missing % etc with say ninja roll, would it be possible to just have it say "(current roll)Lucky#4 Unlucky#8(+?Evasion)" Instead of a error pop up.

Sorry about that! Had it set as Ninja's roll rather than Ninja roll, have pushed a fix now and it should be merged in the next couple of hours
Cerberus.Stalkster said: »
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'Ello Cors and Cor-settes.

Don't you hate how long it takes for the Roll messages to display in your chat log? Ever accidentally doubled up on an 11 or Lucky roll?

Well I made a lua addon to try and fix that.

RollTracker adds information about each roll, simplifies the message and makes it show instantly after the roll (instead of the 5 second delay). It also prevents you from doubling up on a lucky roll by prompting you before hand.

Enjoy:

Missing % etc with say ninja roll, would it be possible to just have it say "(current roll)Lucky#4 Unlucky#8(+?Evasion)" Instead of a error pop up.

Seems to be missing Courser's roll data or somehow it keeps crashing me when I use this roll.
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By Bismarck.Nesumi 2013-05-13 07:16:57  
Bahamut.Orinthia said: »
Eating squid sushi, hunters, two preludes, and around 130 racc in gear, managed around 60% racc on Tutewehiwehi (outside in morimar). This as cor/sch, giving myself firestorm and spamming wildfire, managed around 12% dmg for the group (26 wildfires, avg 1774dmg), which was on par with some of the melees. I shot 99 times (used 68 bullets btw), though we just couldn't kill the thing before depop.

Depressed at how terrible racc is for most of these things. It is a bit refreshing after having a power rush for the past couple years, but still depressing...

If I could get someone to cast firestorm on me, I'd give /rng a try. Mages are too busy keeping folks alive and generally aren't /sch. Haven't fought much else though besides ceizak delve and a couple morimar NMs.

Can leaden salute be really geared for and made decent? Even with a modded wildfire set (archon ring, agi belt) it's just terrible... no real saving it is there?


130 is just too low. I had about 160 with /dnc so another 10 from job trait (also using one trailer kukri) and was at 75% R. Acc on Cei Boss Run (we typically go after butterflies and moth). The new content really requires as much as R. Acc we can get.

So this

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/269459

or this, if you don't have salvage hands, Meeble belt and/or until the neck piece becomes available.

http://www.ffxiah.com/members/item-sets?id=300210

Also, on boss runs, I'm already switching to new gun. Higher base dmg add about 30-40% QD dmg. Last stand isn't too bad with a lot of r acc.
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