The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

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By Ophannus 2013-12-04 12:47:56  
I think cuz Cerberus' AoEs hit ppl outside of alliance like KB's Meteor etc. In that case I guess if he hits you with an AoE you're on the hate list somehow?
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-12-04 12:57:17  
Ophannus said: »
I think cuz Cerberus' AoEs hit ppl outside of alliance like KB's Meteor etc. In that case I guess if he hits you with an AoE you're on the hate list somehow?

Naw, getting hit with a true AoE doesn't put you on the hate list, you have to have taken an action on the mob or someone on the hate list. Even initial aggro doesn't put you on the hate list.

Like I said, it might be a glitch, but I know that instances are dodgy when it comes to hate. Some things are ally hate, others are zone hate, etc. I don't know if that affects learning spells, though.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-12-07 17:56:47  
Assimilator Bazubands - +11% chance to learn blue magic
Assimilator Shalwar - +10 magical base damage w/ Burst Affinity
Assimilator Charuqs - +20 physical base damage w/ Chain Affinity


from JPwiki, they got their information from magazines. hands just as useless as I always assumed, legs are also pretty bad. feet we already knew about
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-12-07 18:04:51  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
from JPwiki, they got their information from magazines.
Off topic, but anything about Wakido Kote?
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-12-07 18:09:54  
Adds another 1% to Hasso.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-12-07 18:13:33  
Hm. I guess either the original testing/formula was flawed or they're broken. :[
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2013-12-07 18:20:05  
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Ophannus said: »
Man I'm like 0/3 on Blistering Roar and 0/2 on Cacharian Verve. Does your pt need to get the kill shot or something? I've been wearing AF hands while the mob is readying it and also at moment of death. Sigh...

I learned gates of hades watching someone solo cerberus on BST. I don't know if it was a glitch, but I always thought you had to have claim on the mob when it died. But, instances are a different animal, I think you just have to have taken action on the mob at some point and witnessed it readying the move.

I had someone kill a Beastman for Dart, I was max exp distance never hit the mob and got the spell.

you do not need hate on a mob to learn the spell.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2013-12-07 18:21:26  
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Was told recently that Mavi Kavuk +2 isnt worth macroing in but with the new feet would it then be? would be +40 dmg right?

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Assim feet have reasonable stats, and my testing is showing +20 DMG, Doctorugh also posted some data on BG wiki that shows as +20 Damage.

Mavi has NOTHING other than the Base D, these have Base D and STR+8 DEX +15

Next best option is either Iuitl or Manibozho which are again similar, STR +10 dex+19 (Iuitl) or STR+10 Dex+8 (Mani)

The only major factor would be Accuracy from manibozho would factor in more heavily with Spells with low Accuracy like Heavy Strike, or sinlge hit spells. Or if you were fighting High end content.

But yes, Assim. Charuqs are the best piece 95% of the time.

With reference to the Mavi Hat, its 20D vs the bonuses of Whirlpool, which beat the base 20 D by a considerably margin and would still continue to do so with Assim. Charuqs.

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This is because they stack but do not Augment each other (so its not +20D x 1.2 or w.e it would just be +40 D vs +20 D and STR+24 DEX +20 Agi+20 VIT+22 etc). Whirlpool still wins.

We will need to see how the 115 versions work on CA though for a conclusive account. I would assume it would still be exactly the same.

I didnt think to use whirlpool for head, been using Uk'cap, you mention 95% of the time AF Feet I also assume you mean even with CA down for STR spells?
Thanks

There are better options than Assimilator Charuqs if you're not using CA, but that should be abvious when you look at the stats needed for the spell, and the stats available.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-12-07 18:26:53  
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ophannus said: »
Man I'm like 0/3 on Blistering Roar and 0/2 on Cacharian Verve. Does your pt need to get the kill shot or something? I've been wearing AF hands while the mob is readying it and also at moment of death. Sigh...

I learned gates of hades watching someone solo cerberus on BST. I don't know if it was a glitch, but I always thought you had to have claim on the mob when it died. But, instances are a different animal, I think you just have to have taken action on the mob at some point and witnessed it readying the move.

I had someone kill a Beastman for Dart, I was max exp distance never hit the mob and got the spell.

you do not need hate on a mob to learn the spell.

So, it seems that the only actual requirements to learn blue spells is to be in EXP range when it dies and it has to have readied the move at some point, not necessarily in your presence.

I wonder if they changed the requirements at some point or if it's always been that way.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2013-12-07 18:37:27  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ophannus said: »
Man I'm like 0/3 on Blistering Roar and 0/2 on Cacharian Verve. Does your pt need to get the kill shot or something? I've been wearing AF hands while the mob is readying it and also at moment of death. Sigh...

I learned gates of hades watching someone solo cerberus on BST. I don't know if it was a glitch, but I always thought you had to have claim on the mob when it died. But, instances are a different animal, I think you just have to have taken action on the mob at some point and witnessed it readying the move.

I had someone kill a Beastman for Dart, I was max exp distance never hit the mob and got the spell.

you do not need hate on a mob to learn the spell.

So, it seems that the only actual requirements to learn blue spells is to be in EXP range when it dies and it has to have readied the move at some point, not necessarily in your presence.

I wonder if they changed the requirements at some point or if it's always been that way.

Back when BLU first came out, I learnt Pollen by AFKing and had a 75 RDM spam dia 1 on Bees for me. It has always been this way
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-12-07 19:01:16  
I learned blood saber from ghouls in Gusgen Mines while a friend was getting their skull, I never left the zone entrance and still learned it despite the person killing skeletons being way out of range.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-12-10 12:45:26  
Well this sword looks interesting:

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By Carbuncle.Arcksan 2013-12-10 13:00:50  
I love the style. Perfect off hand with Buramenk'ah I supose ^^
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By amadis 2013-12-10 13:38:25  
Really did no expect to put my Almace back on the shelf again so soon...
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By amadis 2013-12-10 13:40:41  
I'm hoping the feet having Burst not chain affinity on them is a mistake
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-12-10 13:46:08  
well, BLU sure got treated well with this update
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-12-10 13:56:20  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
well, BLU sure got treated well with this update

Indeed! They even gave a work around on Yumcax wand.


amadis said: »
I'm hoping the feet having Burst not chain affinity on them is a mistake





Yeah.. wtf.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-12-10 14:09:35  
Yay sanguine blade
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-12-10 14:17:16  
So how does Almace i119 compare to Buramenk'ah and Anahera? I know the damage is a bit lower but does ODD do anything to make it compare?
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-12-10 14:21:28  
No, because Chant du Cygne did not age well.
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By amadis 2013-12-10 14:22:16  
119 Almace was just an offhand unless your just using CDC (which is not very often) or you can build 300 tp before the start of a fight or you do Voidwatch. Maybe it will still be a better offhand than this new sword in some situations but I think the new sword will probably win most of the time.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-12-10 14:43:14  
; ; That's sad.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-12-10 14:56:40  
You work on crying, I'll work on beating the ***out of things with an Ark Angel weapon. We can both do our part.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-12-10 15:28:51  
I like the AA weapons. It's an awesome model that I've waited nearly my entire play time to actually use in serious play rather than a lv 1 999 delay pos. So I am thrilled about that. Was just really hoping all the work I'd put in to Almace would have been worth it. I mean we wear two weapons, I'd like to have both!

The lack of chant's utility is also a downer. Req doesn't look bad or anything. I just have a special affinity for flaming "Z"s. Though I still use it on certain mobs where req damage seems oddly low.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-12-10 15:29:49  
I didn't even bother upgrading my Twashtar! Empyreans really got the worst end of the deal.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-12-10 15:33:31  
Wow two new magic damage weapons, +200 now or more we can reach. Interesting!
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-12-10 15:48:27  
Tourbillion may have been fixed, 2 for 2 on a land outside of adoulin. 1:30 and 1min durations. Barbed crescent isn't landing.
 
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-12-10 16:18:14  
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Tourbillion may have been fixed, 2 for 2 on a land outside of adoulin. 1:30 and 1min durations. Barbed crescent isn't landing.

those are both resists, just not full ones
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-12-11 01:10:42  
Going through the new gear and preparing an update for the guide, have some good news/bad news:

Good news: Espial set is pretty boss for CDC. It comes within 0.8% of a mix and match set with delve, skirmish, and WKR gear at nearly max buffs/debuffs on a delve boss (yes, really) and slowly comes out ahead by around 1.5% on fodder with no buffs/debuffs except for Nat. Meditation and Dia II. So if you don't have perfect augments on Iuitl, like pretty much everyone, then this is great news.

Bad news: Inventory space god damn it





Going to be doing a bit of a restructure on the Equipment section as well. Legacy sets are going to be removed and replaced with new tiered sets. There will be three tiers, in most cases, with a fourth set illustrating all of the max accuracy pieces per slot that can be swapped in if accuracy is required.
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