The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

Incorrect. I never, ever said that. I even said I accepted his information is he was confident in his results. He never said that, only kept stating it was 20~0 until he got around to checking the link.

You guys are trying really really hard to alter what I said and strawman my statements.

I've even explained my reasoning and laid out the rational. No bullsh!t, no deception, not even any emotion until the dude showed off his ego. Essentially he expects everyone to believe whatever he says whenever he says it, because it's him. He even goes so far as to explain (in regards to his pDiff model) that he doesn't want to post things with information because he doesn't want to defend them.

Essentially it's his attitude that I take issue with, I've explained this already. Instead of making a polite apology about forgetting something, he throws out the ego again.

Of course none of this will alter your strawman attempts or personal attacks. This will soon devolve into a discourse that resembles a junior high locker room.

I paraphrased but that was the meaning, you're just trying really hard to "win the argument". He did say the info on bg came from him and that he wasn't aware it was there until you mentioned that's where you took it from, at first he was assuming you were using the same requiescat info as him. He did go to bg to post about it right after as well. And the fact about yourself is just as true becase you were arguing against him using his own older info.
The stuff about the pdif model is an extemporary thought and it has nothing to do with the topic, whether you disagree or not with him not sharing it.

You're full of it. I didn't change the subject and didn't attack you.

That's the thing, I wasn't trying to "win the argument" at all. I had results, he had results, they were different. I sought to flesh out the differences, even volunteering possible scenarios (acc on off hand being different / different monster stats ect ..). That's how Thaud vs Ux vs Whirlpool got settled, but no matter what I put in the earrings always came up different. It wasn't until after we posted Req fTP that he actually bothered to check the source I had originally stated (BGwiki). He then posted that he had done testing to show otherwise. That's when I requested that information (I hadn't realized yet he was the source for the original info) be made available. More posting and then it comes out that he did the original -10% post and he admits that he probably made mistakes and later corrected them but didn't post them.

After that is when the ego came out. That we should believe what he said because he said it and that if I didn't like that to suck it.

You most certainly are making a personal attack. You purposefully altered the tone and delivery such to make Proth seem innocuous and me insane. Essentially you created a strawman of what I stated then mocked that strawman.

No, that wasn't the intention, don't be so malicious please.

Meh, pot, kettle, black. You've been spiteful to people on ffxiah before, not me but it is something ive observed.

One of two things. Either you deliberately constructed it that way or you were foolish / misguided and didn't see the strawman you were creating. I tend to give people generous benefits of doubt in their mental capabilities so I assumed you were smart enough not to accidentally mischaracterize people.

Now again, without malicious intent, go reread the thread. I just did to be absolutely sure I didn't miss something, and I didn't. Everything was civil until this.


This was not in reference to the pDiff but about Req. Now he could of misstated it, he's human and human's do that.

And then it begins


After several times of me stating that if he was confident then I'd accept his info. I never attacked him and made it a point to be civil until the above statement. My reply was that additional information needs to be put out for the community to use otherwise we end up with bad decisions. He was using the right info but nobody else even had it to use it.

And then Proth starts with the personal attacks and attitude. You of course scan through my posts while reading his and end up distorting everything.

That's enough, stop.

Here I thought there would be some constructive information getting tossed around with all this posting :/. I dont get it, why don't you just do some tests on req & show your results? As far as I can see, all this stems down to is you're mad about him saying his old numbers(20/15/10) that people used for a while were incorrect. Even if he doesnt feel up to finding the tests/results for his new numbers, if you went off his old numbers without testing yourself, why are you bitching about his new numbers without testing yourself? It might take a long time to do, but a lot of time is getting wasted here. not trying to fuel the fire, just trying to understand how you are trying to help the situation.

All things aside, Murasamemaru is dead. Took BLU to Ceizak last night and Mastop/Bee were laughable. They could also be laughable with RNGs, but *** RNG.

If you actually read the posts then you'd know I never doubted his info once he stated he had done testing. I even posted saying I accepted his information. This entire thing is just Proth puffing up his ego after I stated that not posting correct information hurts the community and that "because I said so" isn't good enough. The "because I said so" part isn't in reference to the fTP on req (which everyone seems to be thinking) but on specific gear sets which was the overall topic being discussed.

I realize in this world of 30s sound bite TV that following such a discussion might be difficult.

Yes I was pushing people to use BLU there even before the update. BLU makes the final three NM's stupid easy. Your doing full damage on Taxet from the very beginning while other people need to slowly ramp up their damage over the course of the fight (assuming your using the BRD + GEO debuff method). You walk over Mastop and the Bee is like "damage reduction, what damage reduction".

Also, I don't know what they did to physical spells but I decided to try them since we can't really WS the Chapuli anyway and Delta Thrust was easily doing 1800 damage and CA Quadratic Continuum ~4k, so uh?

As an aside note JP wiki also suggests that the attack penalty of Requiescat is completely gone at 300%, but JP wikis rarely source anything so that's not necessarily very useful.

Is it reasonably possible to push acc high enough to Heavy Strike reliable on higher end stuff? I wish they'd have showed BLU some love before I got fed up and unsubbed.

I read the discussion but the discussion ended when you made this out to be about his "ego" which was just an attempt at "winning the argument" even though it was over. Excuse me for ignoring a majority of that part & for hopping in the personal feud I had no business in. I figured the personal business would be taken to messages or just not posted here unless you're trying to prove something thats actually relevant?

I think you should be able to land it easily on most targets now.


I'm not really sure how much better that is- I remember getting pretty good numbers on it the week it came out (so weaker casting gear on top of no base damage adjustment). It kind of sounds like maybe it did affect blue attack after all? QC did well (I think Efflux+CA was ~3k with no -def debuffs) but Delta was much lower.

Blue magic attack is still subject to standard pDIF, yes? Defense down practices were quite a bit more haphazard when Adoulin was released, so having seen substantially lower numbers would make sense

I was under the impression that the ratio was now tied to the iLVL of your mainhand.

Se mentioned quadratic capping out but delta thrust is higher level. I should also mention that I have the physical spell handling commented out of my blu spell cast at the moment for remodeling purposes (I levelled fly instead of finishing spellcast rewrire before delve! ) so these were numbers in my fast cast gear.

That too- when I went BLU all of 1 or two times, we at most had Angon and maybe Dia II (but very likely neither). Still though, 1800 on Delta Thrust in fast cast gear does suggest that there's more than just a very minor (+20-30) base damage boost.

With all this new acc/m.acc ***, can BLU land Sudden Lunge on ADL and keep em stunned for 10-15s per cast? If so, total win.

You could before, there just wasn't a real reason to bring BLU to ADL because SMN's could stunlock it and you'd already have them there for PD. Why split marrows with another person when you didn't need them?

I'll do some formal tests later, however my experiences are lining up with Sylow's, something is changed or different.

SE better not nake physical spells useful or I'll feel bad for wanting to 5/5 diffusion!

+D is definitely subject to caps (not one to believe SE, they're idiots, so I had to make sure), tested with pinecone bomb really quick and damage was at expected value with or without buramenk'ah.

on a ronfaure rabbit:

440skill
98+112STR
83+53AGI

37D
58WSC
52 fSTR
2.25 fTP (+.25 due to correlation)

Expected damage = 1101. That's what I got. :(

Added an additional note to TP sets. Dudgeon+Heartseeker combo is superior to Suppanomimi+Brutal if you are not getting either +5 Marches or Haste Samba. Thanks to Sylow for pointing that out.

Getting some of my answer to the question I'm about to ask already but with the spell update and the 1hander update has blu how has it been meshing with new content now and how is it ranking DPS wise in comparison to other jobs?

Should report it as a bug!

I figured BLU would be useful in ceizak, considering how good it is in foret, but there's no reason why you can't bring RNG. It's the one zone where you don't really need MNKs. BLUx3 and RNGx3-4 would work fine, and is probably the best/fastest setup possible.

The chapuli was always susceptible to BLU spells, including heavy strike. Even on kurma I was able to get QC to 3k with CA pre-update. Hopefully they'll increase the damage more as my regular attack rounds tend to do over 1k anyway.

iirc I could not get absolute terror to land on scorpion, but if it's possible, then that would be 'immensely' helpful with 2-3 BLUs.

I've found terror to be very helpful on the uragnite in foret and orobon. If you use terror on uragnite around 80%, you can kill it before the doom aura can even pop. Prolonging belch on orobon is helpful, or if you have shitty stunners, you can use it @ start to prevent mayhem.

Doesn't make a huge difference, but harden shell prevents defense down from the shark, and I would assume the other bosses as well. You should be able to keep it up in the entire party for ~3m with diffusion, more with merits (since you'll get hit with wild card reset). I suppose with 2+ BLUs you could keep it up the entire fight, though I can't imagine tojil would take longer than 3m now. Shark still seems to take ~5m for us, fast enough for 1 SCH to stun. I imagine bee would take less than 2 minutes with BLUs and RNGs. Would be funny to watch.

Could you guys elaborate a bit more on what makes BLU exceptional in Ceizak? I know very little about BLU but I'd love some sort of readiness checklist that I could present to possibly-not-hardcore friends who may want to come BLU to our runs.

From the above, I have these two so far:
- Requiescat on Mastop
- BLU magic on Chapuli to speed it up when you aren't WSing
- ???

Thanks

Requiescat isn't subject to Muyingwa's DT, either