The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

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 Cerberus.Jeffil
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By Cerberus.Jeffil 2016-05-12 12:36:40  
Asura.Foreverj said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
If you start with no +rate/+dmg gear and assume no penalties from the target mob then the two stats are pretty comparable given your baseline critrate for CDC (I elaborated on this topic a few pages back), but +dmg pulls ahead pretty quickly once you account for Rosmerta's, Begrudging Ring, possible use of Abnoba/Herc Vest/Thereoid, etc.


Thanks who's that tonberry npc to check how much tonberry hAte for the begrudging ring?

Tonberry Priest in Temple of Uggalepih. If you zone in from Yhoator or book, just go SW and there's a "hidden wall" he's in.

If he charges you 6k, you have max Tonberry hate. I've heard, however, that if he charges you 4k you are capped for Begrudging ring.
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By Bahamut.Alkk 2016-05-12 13:06:07  
How does BLU fare in this months ambuscade, how high can we solo? Busy with other stuff so havent had a chance to try.
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By Sylph.Staleyx 2016-05-12 15:04:53  
Currently I have a Rosmerta's Cape with Dex20,acc/att20,crit hit rate10%. Is this still the best TP and Weaponskill piece or was it ever? I plan on making a second cape if there is another set of augments that would be better for weaponskills. Can someone please give me the run down on what I should be aiming for. Thank you!
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By Siren.Kyte 2016-05-12 15:07:34  
I would backcheck this thread
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2016-05-12 15:09:29  
Pg284, Jeffil's response is pretty detailed.
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By Shiva.Nokturnall 2016-05-14 20:06:35  
Looking for some gear advice from my fellow Blue Mages for my max haste setup with DW III trait. Here is my current set. Herc boots have TA 4% and 21 acc. Back piece is DEX/acc/atk/crit. This leaves me with only 5% DW. Should I switch out the boots with a pair with 5% DW, or switch an earring with suppa, or leave this as is?


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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-05-14 20:12:33  
Easiest answer: switch Brutal to Suppa

More in-depth answer: read the last couple pages or so, you may have better options
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By Shiva.Nokturnall 2016-05-14 20:15:23  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Easiest answer: switch Brutal to Suppa

More in-depth answer: read the last couple pages or so, you may have better options

Oh, the DW cape option. Missed that entire part. Thank you.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-05-14 20:48:36  
i use suppa, kirin belt, and earring from azi dhaka i think it is. For only low buff set
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By Siren.Itachi 2016-05-16 08:46:58  
I'm not quite sure what weapon set to use. I have a Tanmogayi +1 and two Coladas(Augment 1: DMG+15 ACC/ATT+15 Store TP+4; Augment 2: DMG+8 ACC/ATT+15 Dbl Att+4). Would double coladas be better with these augments or would Tan +1 with Augment 1 Colada be better?
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By Cerberus.Jeffil 2016-05-16 09:02:46  
Siren.Itachi said: »
I'm not quite sure what weapon set to use. I have a Tanmogayi +1 and two Coladas(Augment 1: DMG+15 ACC/ATT+15 Store TP+4; Augment 2: DMG+8 ACC/ATT+15 Dbl Att+4). Would double coladas be better with these augments or would Tan +1 with Augment 1 Colada be better?

Based on my playing with the DPS spreadsheet, it appears Tanmo+1/Colada #2 will be superior DPS.

I'm still stuck with a Colada that is not better than Nibiru A.
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By Yandaime 2016-05-16 09:11:30  
Siren.Itachi said: »
I'm not quite sure what weapon set to use. I have a Tanmogayi +1 and two Coladas(Augment 1: DMG+15 ACC/ATT+15 Store TP+4; Augment 2: DMG+8 ACC/ATT+15 Dbl Att+4). Would double coladas be better with these augments or would Tan +1 with Augment 1 Colada be better?

It will take basically a PERFECT Colada to beat a Tanmo +1. DMG 20 DEX15 ACC/ATK 20 DA 4 or something close to that lol. That sword is just strong
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By Siren.Itachi 2016-05-16 09:17:42  
Thanks guys, in the back of my mind I knew Tan +1 would win but it was like these Coladas were way more tedious to get so they were somehow better. Guess I just have a really good offhand weapon for now.
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2016-05-16 12:05:03  
need some insights, whats the best offhands sword for Almace AG on mh (no tizona) and best Ambuscade back setup for 3/5 adhemar+1? (hands/head/body)
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By Leviathan.Stamos 2016-05-16 12:09:39  
With 3/5 Adhemar +1 I have DA+10 cape winning.

Colada is the best offhand for Almace AG(also with DA augment)
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2016-05-16 14:13:49  
I normally have Samurai roll and I have DA and STP capes swapping places depending on the value so I just didn't care and stuck with my Crit Rate and DW capes.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2016-05-16 20:37:17  
Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »
I am not using gearswap and I am not having any problem with having 4 herc gloves in the same bag using vanilla macros. Even if it is possible for the system to fail at times when all are in the same bag, it must be extremely rare due to some obscure bug, not anywhere near 25% for 4 pieces. When at least one pair of them are in a differen bag, it does fail mostly to wear the correct one, but not at all when all are in the same bag unless I am day-dreaming. I have checked numerous times to make sure it works.

I stand corrected. The in game macro sets does lock the specific gear you choose, as long as it remains in that bag. as soon as you swap bags, you have to re-set it. Thanks for the info Vine.
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By Boredwithyou 2016-05-18 11:31:40  
Dps wise, Tan+1/colada > non AG tizona/ non AG almace?

Just wondering if i should just shelf them both until they are both AG?
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By Odin.Slore 2016-05-18 11:40:09  
Leviathan.Stamos said: »
With 3/5 Adhemar +1 I have DA+10 cape winning.

Colada is the best offhand for Almace AG(also with DA augment)

Does sequence off a better offhand with AG Almace? Bets I can get on my colada is dmg: 13 Dex: 14 acc: 18 att: 4 crit hit rate 1%

Was gonna offhand my sequence, no not sure
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By Cerberus.Jeffil 2016-05-18 12:28:20  
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With 3/5 Adhemar +1 I have DA+10 cape winning.

Colada is the best offhand for Almace AG(also with DA augment)

Does sequence off a better offhand with AG Almace? Bets I can get on my colada is dmg: 13 Dex: 14 acc: 18 att: 4 crit hit rate 1%

Was gonna offhand my sequence, no not sure

Because you don't get the TP Bonus with Sequence unless it is in the mainhand, I'm gonna say no because you do get DEX+50 from Almace in the offhand, making your CDCs that much better.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-05-18 12:40:01  
You're generally safe to assume that Sequence is equal/better in the offhand better barring situations where you need extra acc from Colada. A very well augmented Colada can sometimes pull ahead without acc coming into play, but the above augments don't fit that criteria.

Remember, you still get STP+10 from an offhand Sequence.
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By Cerberus.Jeffil 2016-05-18 20:17:04  
Cerberus.Jeffil said: »
Odin.Slore said: »
Leviathan.Stamos said: »
With 3/5 Adhemar +1 I have DA+10 cape winning.

Colada is the best offhand for Almace AG(also with DA augment)

Does sequence off a better offhand with AG Almace? Bets I can get on my colada is dmg: 13 Dex: 14 acc: 18 att: 4 crit hit rate 1%

Was gonna offhand my sequence, no not sure

Because you don't get the TP Bonus with Sequence unless it is in the mainhand, I'm gonna say no because you do get DEX+50 from Almace in the offhand, making your CDCs that much better.

Just realized I completely misread your question. I thought you were asking which was a better choice to offhand Almace AG or Colada (presumably with Tizona). So you can ignore my post :)
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By Cerberus.Jeffil 2016-05-18 20:33:13  
So while we're talking about Colada augments, I am experimenting with them as well.

I just finished my Almace AG and am looking into the Colada augments.

I played with the DPS spreadsheet extensively a bit ago and uncovered the following information.

First, with the current gear setup (held fixed while experimenting with Colada augments of course), the DPS on my Almace AG/Nibiru A is 2158.719 (12287 WS Dmg, 3.80 rounds/ws)

Here are the augment combinations I tried out for Almace AG/Colada. the #s in parenthesis are the average CDC damage and rounds/WS

dmg+10, dex+10, att/acc+15, da+3% = 2180.650 (12342, 3.78)
dmg+10, dex+10, att/acc+15, da+4% = 2191.542 (12382, 3.77)
dmg+20, *** = 2196.916 (12386, 3.78)

dmg+10, dex+10, att/acc+15, crit rate +4% = 2213.781 (12572, 3.82)
dmg+20, ** = 2230.463 (12617, .82)
dmg+20, str+10, ** = 2233.229 (12546, 3.82)

dmg+10, dex+5, att/acc+15, crit rate +4% = 2200.593 (12486, 3.82)
dmg+10, dex+10, att/acc+15, stp+1 = 2150.528 (12231, 3.82)
dmg+10, dex+10, att/acc+15, stp+3 = 2169.456 (12224, 3.74)
dmg+10, dex+10, att/acc+15, stp+5 = 2185.566 (12221, 3.68)
dmg+10, dex+10, att/acc+15, stp+6 = 2213.878 (12207, 3.57)
dmg+20, dex+10, att/acc+15, stp+6 = 2230.089 (12251, 3.57)

(I had plugged in others to see the effect on str and att as well)

My findings are:

* Damage has roughly a 1.5 DPS/dmg increase
* STR produces slightly higher DPS, but lower WS damage (+0.3 dps/str, -2.6 ws damage)
* Each point of DEX accounts for roughly 2.8 DPS
* Each point of STR accounts for roughly 2.8 DPS
* Each point of attack accounts for 1.6 DPS
* Each percentage of critical hit rate accounts for roughly 16 DPS
* Each percentage of double attack accounts for roughly 11 DPS
* Each ~2 Store TP value (in current setup, base STP = 28 for TP, 14 for WS) accounts for roughly 22 DPS, but this is the biggest variable estimate, because sometimes a +16 DPS increase would occur, but other times a 28 DPS increase would occur (see above for this). How STP affects your sets' DPS is likely dependent on existing Store TP values.

So it seems that Store TP and critical hit rate have SIMILAR DPS, but it takes max store TP and max critical hit rate to equal each other.

Store TP will allow for more frequent weapon skills (and thus easier to maintain aftermath) but lower weapon skill damage.

Crit rate will offer increased weapon skill damage, but you will weapon skill slightly less frequently.

Double attack loses out to both, as even with +4% double attack the DPS would be 2207.

To beat Nibiru A for offhand to AG Almace, Colada requires a +76 DPS sum from augments. This cannot be achieved with critical hit rate +4% alone, as that's only 2146.434 DPS (+64, in line with the roughly 16 DPS per crit rate %)

An example of augments superior to Nibiru A are dmg+10 (+15 DPS), dex+10 (+28 DPS), att/acc+15 (+16 DPS), and crit rate +4% (+64 DPS). This gives a total increase of +123 DPS, very close to the actual increase of 131 DPS the spreadsheet gives between base colada and these augments.

This will gives you a solid way to determine if your augments are superior when you are rolling for them.
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By Asura.Keaddo 2016-05-19 01:54:01  
Thank you very much for your experimenting.

I've had similar results as well with STP, and I am still looking for a decent colada augment for when I main hand Almace. This should prove quite useful.
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2016-05-20 00:51:21  
Anyone have a recommendation for a good BLU.lua? Atm im looking to use the one motenten has on github but im pretty sure thats outdated.
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By Asura.Leoheika 2016-05-20 01:41:42  
Shiva.Alistrianna said: »
Anyone have a recommendation for a good BLU.lua? Atm im looking to use the one motenten has on github but im pretty sure thats outdated.

I just used the one in the OP, it's been pretty good so far.

Edit: Oraens lua
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By Ragnarok.Figster 2016-05-20 02:54:43  
I've been using the github one. Just get one that is fairly decent and use that. Of course you are gonna have to add new spells or put your own gear in or set up your own spell sets. A functioning lua is all you really need, just put the rest in yourself.
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By Boredwithyou 2016-05-21 09:31:39  
Anyone have a high tier sudden lunge set? And dream flower set they would post
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By Sylph.Oraen 2016-05-21 09:39:14  
Both of those are currently in the OP and I don't think they're outdated.

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The only real improvements I can see immediately would be HQ versions of abjuration gear. I keep wanting to replace Miasmic, but it's rare to find both acc and macc on gear. However, if you need more macc for it, Psycloth legs are great, and for more acc, Carmine cuisses offer a bunch.
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By Valefor.Kensagaku 2016-05-21 09:53:50  
Actually, I've been meaning to ask on that Additional effect set, particularly the choice of Metamorphic Ring. Why that over the Weatherspoon Ring (+10 Macc) from above, or even something like Sangoma (+8 Macc) in place of that? Do the stat mods play that much of an effect if you're aiming for mostly sticking the status ailments?
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