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By Siren.Kenesu 2014-12-25 20:06:23  
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is str or dex better for Uk'uxkaj cap?
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By fractalvoid 2014-12-25 20:08:47  
Depends on what you're using it for.
One could make an argument for DEX being better for specific things, but I'd say STR is the better choice. More useful for a greater number of things etc
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By Siren.Kyte 2014-12-25 20:10:52  
For BLU, DEX is by far the better choice. For anything else where you'd want STR, you'd want a different head entirely.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-12-25 21:03:18  
DEX is the clear winner for me. CDC, Sinker Drill (basically the only offensive magic I use that doesn't have an added effect), and it also works for the large majority of my other jobs. STR is nice, but, as BLU is my baby, DEX is by far the best for me.
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By Siren.Kenesu 2014-12-25 21:30:16  
i notice protho don't have sinker drill in his list? is it more for soloing or what?
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-12-25 21:31:26  
Page 141 is our most up-to-date PURE DD spell set. He includes it in there.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-25 21:39:57  
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i notice protho don't have sinker drill in his list? is it more for soloing or what?

He hasn't kept the OP as up to date since he quit playing as he did prior. I'm sure he'll continue to do it periodically, but he won't be out there testing and patching the OP after every update like he used to.
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By Siren.Kenesu 2014-12-25 21:45:50  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
Page 141 is our most up-to-date PURE DD spell set. He includes it in there.

thanks
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By Asura.Yamoman 2014-12-27 07:28:41  
Is Ejekamal Mask with STR +8 augment still better for blu phy attack spells or does relic hat +1 win now with changes to how blu spell damage is calculated?
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By Asura.Yamoman 2014-12-27 07:29:58  
With or without Chain affinity up also.
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By Asura.Vinedrius 2014-12-27 10:43:01  
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Is Ejekamal Mask with STR +8 augment still better for blu phy attack spells or does relic hat +1 win now with changes to how blu spell damage is calculated?

wondering the same about 119 AF and AF2 bodies
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-12-27 12:02:10  
nothing has changed to make relic head or ejekamal mask any better, but whirlpool mask has gained significant grounds as a result of the attack changed, provided you aren't capping attack.

bodies dont know, may be the same deal, but I haven't done the math
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By Asura.Highwynn 2014-12-27 13:17:45  
I feel like on any ilvl content, unless you got idris debuffs or a crapload of def down and att up on, thhr extra attack on whirlpool(and 25acc) will outweigh the extra WSC on spells. But do you really wanna have a high att set and a low att set? Maybe only use full str when CA is on? Etc. those are choices you'd have to make. Tbh i only cast spells now when low manning because if you're doing anything that requires more than 6 people, gusrantee you that your sinker drill sc will be interrupted by someone else's ws. Also sinker drill does like 6-7k on things in incursion with ca up while another cdc will do 8-12k+, so its barely any benefit anymore. Things like heavy,thrashing,delta still have uses when slowed and a mob is near death, or when Amnesia'd, or when the mob cant be TP'd like certain Chapuli NMs in skirmish/delve.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-12-27 13:34:36  
only thing spells are good for is multistep SC
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-27 14:01:01  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
only thing spells are good for is multistep SC

I've changed many of my gearsets strictly to added effect sets for that reason. Af2 head is nice when macc is more critical than physical. The same goes for af1 body if you don't have the incursion body.
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By Luthiene 2014-12-29 02:30:08  
Does anyone have a decent Glutinous Dart set? It seems to be a very inaccurate spell, and I can only cast it in my resistant set on most mobs, but the damage seems to fluctuate a lot, was doing 500-1000 on Hurkann.
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By Nazrious 2014-12-29 05:02:02  
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Can easily hit 3500+ in correct gear, with the random one or two getting an occasional resist.

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{ammo="Erlene's Notebook",
			      head="Hagondes hat +1",neck="Eddy necklace",ear1="Novio earring",ear2="Friomisi earring",
			      body="Hagondes coat +1",hands="hagondes cuffs +1",ring1="Shiva Ring +1",ring2="Shiva Ring +1",
			      back="Cornflower cape",waist="Yamabuki-no-Obi",legs="Hagondes pants +1",feet="Hagondes Sabots +1"}


2x Path A Gabaxorea

Not able to get near 3500 yet.
Getting around 2900~3000 with this


updated set...

The only hagondes that has above 19 MAB is the hago. sabots because unless I used +2 stones the manabyss pigashes would win out so for right now those are the only ones I've invested +2 stones into. The rest has at least +18/19 MAB, all from +1 stones.

one club only has +10MAB the other has +13.

Since there are no blu magical spreadsheets I used the blm and geo ones to figure for MD+ vs MAB and on Dosis it was always coming ahead vs Erlen. Also win for fenrir vs shivas since 10MD+ beat out the 18 int. Again all done without the proper spreadsheet but still best avaiable to work with.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-12-29 05:11:27  
If you want to push your subduction ahead, you should drop the Nehushtans for two path A Gabaxoreas. Tons of MAB from the two of those. Other than that, you really only have the extra MAB from Hagondes pieces to work on. I'm able to get 3300 with a full MAB spellset and a very similar gearset as you.
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By Nazrious 2014-12-29 05:26:56  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
If you want to push your subduction ahead, you should drop the Nehushtans for two path A Gabaxoreas. Tons of MAB from the two of those. Other than that, you really only have the extra MAB from Hagondes pieces to work on. I'm able to get 3300 with a full MAB spellset and a very similar gearset as you.

Yep pretty much going to have to go for gabs(a) if i want to go any further I don't see me investing heavily in +2 stones as I normally end up with everything but perfect augs of what I'm trying for. I had the 2 clubs for playing around with b4 so figured I'd put em to use in the meanwhile and it with +1 stones managed +13/10 MAB so they do the trick for now.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-12-29 05:37:15  
Yeah, the random augment system is crap for those. I'd get the highest rolls for pet MAB but wouldn't see player MAB for stacks, sometimes.

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Does anyone have a decent Glutinous Dart set? It seems to be a very inaccurate spell, and I can only cast it in my resistant set on most mobs, but the damage seems to fluctuate a lot, was doing 500-1000 on Hurkann.

I use this set for all of my physical spells and it's worked very well. On Hurkan, I normally see around 1.3k-1.8k darts without any JAs. If you have the space, swap the Ire to a tjukurrpa, and possibly one of the Ifrits for a spiral ring.

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By fractalvoid 2014-12-29 05:44:36  
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fractalvoid said: »
Can easily hit 3500+ in correct gear, with the random one or two getting an occasional resist.

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{ammo="Erlene's Notebook",
			      head="Hagondes hat +1",neck="Eddy necklace",ear1="Novio earring",ear2="Friomisi earring",
			      body="Hagondes coat +1",hands="hagondes cuffs +1",ring1="Shiva Ring +1",ring2="Shiva Ring +1",
			      back="Cornflower cape",waist="Yamabuki-no-Obi",legs="Hagondes pants +1",feet="Hagondes Sabots +1"}


2x Path A Gabaxorea

Not able to get near 3500 yet.
Getting around 2900~3000 with this

ItemSet 331951

The only hagondes that has above 19 MAB is the hago. sabots because unless I used +2 stones the manabyss pigashes would win out so for right now those are the only ones I've invested +2 stones into. The rest has at least +18/19 MAB, all from +1 stones.

one club only has +10MAB the other has +13.

Since there are no blu magical spreadsheets I used the blm and geo ones to figure for MD+ vs MAB and on Dosis it was always coming ahead vs Erlen. Also win for fenrir vs shivas since 10MD+ beat out the 18 int. Again all done without the proper spreadsheet but still best avaiable to work with.

Not sure what you mean about using +2 stones. +1 stones are sufficient for 20+MAB. I've gotten up to 26MAB using a +1 stone. I wouldn't bother pissing away gil on +2 stones if you're trying to get MAB unless you really want pdt+mdt as well. It's just not worth the money because random is still random at the end of the day.

The set I posted is not ideal by any means tho. At least afaik. I didn't spreadsheet it or anything, that's just the set I use. With Memento Mori up I sometimes see 4k, but that's rare.

Edit: also would def use Gabaxorea over the Skirmish clubs.

Crematio+Friomisi is also best earring combo but I use Novio+Friomisi til I manage to get a Crematio to drop.
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By Luthiene 2014-12-29 07:56:54  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
Yeah, the random augment system is crap for those. I'd get the highest rolls for pet MAB but wouldn't see player MAB for stacks, sometimes.

Luthiene said: »
Does anyone have a decent Glutinous Dart set? It seems to be a very inaccurate spell, and I can only cast it in my resistant set on most mobs, but the damage seems to fluctuate a lot, was doing 500-1000 on Hurkann.

I use this set for all of my physical spells and it's worked very well. On Hurkan, I normally see around 1.3k-1.8k darts without any JAs. If you have the space, swap the Ire to a tjukurrpa, and possibly one of the Ifrits for a spiral ring.

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STR Augments on Quiahuiz? Also, are you able to hit reliably with this set or are you eating acc food?
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By Nazrious 2014-12-29 11:23:09  
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Nazrious said: »
fractalvoid said: »
Can easily hit 3500+ in correct gear, with the random one or two getting an occasional resist.

Code
{ammo="Erlene's Notebook",
			      head="Hagondes hat +1",neck="Eddy necklace",ear1="Novio earring",ear2="Friomisi earring",
			      body="Hagondes coat +1",hands="hagondes cuffs +1",ring1="Shiva Ring +1",ring2="Shiva Ring +1",
			      back="Cornflower cape",waist="Yamabuki-no-Obi",legs="Hagondes pants +1",feet="Hagondes Sabots +1"}


2x Path A Gabaxorea

Not able to get near 3500 yet.
Getting around 2900~3000 with this

ItemSet 331951

The only hagondes that has above 19 MAB is the hago. sabots because unless I used +2 stones the manabyss pigashes would win out so for right now those are the only ones I've invested +2 stones into. The rest has at least +18/19 MAB, all from +1 stones.

one club only has +10MAB the other has +13.

Since there are no blu magical spreadsheets I used the blm and geo ones to figure for MD+ vs MAB and on Dosis it was always coming ahead vs Erlen. Also win for fenrir vs shivas since 10MD+ beat out the 18 int. Again all done without the proper spreadsheet but still best avaiable to work with.

Not sure what you mean about using +2 stones. +1 stones are sufficient for 20+MAB. I've gotten up to 26MAB using a +1 stone. I wouldn't bother pissing away gil on +2 stones if you're trying to get MAB unless you really want pdt+mdt as well. It's just not worth the money because random is still random at the end of the day.

The set I posted is not ideal by any means tho. At least afaik. I didn't spreadsheet it or anything, that's just the set I use. With Memento Mori up I sometimes see 4k, but that's rare.

Edit: also would def use Gabaxorea over the Skirmish clubs.

Crematio+Friomisi is also best earring combo but I use Novio+Friomisi til I manage to get a Crematio to drop.

Wow highest I have ever seen is 19. Yeah will be getting some gabroxeas
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By Siren.Kyte 2014-12-29 11:45:20  
Nazrious said: »

Since there are no blu magical spreadsheets I used the blm and geo ones to figure for MD+ vs MAB and on Dosis it was always coming ahead vs Erlen. Also win for fenrir vs shivas since 10MD+ beat out the 18 int. Again all done without the proper spreadsheet but still best avaiable to work with.

Don't use the BLM spreadsheets (unless you heavily modify them) for calculating BLU spells. Fenrir's most certainly do not beat Shiva's. There is a Charged Whisker spreadsheet somewhere out there made by Yugl- but it would require some hunting to find. It would be easier to modify that into a Subduction spreadsheet.
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By Nazrious 2014-12-29 13:53:49  
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Nazrious said: »

Since there are no blu magical spreadsheets I used the blm and geo ones to figure for MD+ vs MAB and on Dosis it was always coming ahead vs Erlen. Also win for fenrir vs shivas since 10MD+ beat out the 18 int. Again all done without the proper spreadsheet but still best avaiable to work with.

Don't use the BLM spreadsheets (unless you heavily modify them) for calculating BLU spells. Fenrir's most certainly do not beat Shiva's. There is a Charged Whisker spreadsheet somewhere out there made by Yugl- but it would require some hunting to find. It would be easier to modify that into a Subduction spreadsheet.

I will hunt for it and see.

From personal experience int does not seem to do tons for subduction, even with the -int b4 unlocking I normally don't hit gears for more than a few hundred less, and that is a pretty significant amount of int. (I leave Qutrubs alone not worth the hassle/time)
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2014-12-29 14:57:03  
Thinking of switching over to DEX Uk's cap also, and to change my Adoulin ring reward again to either Haverton (dual wield and racc piece for RNG/COR) or Weatherspoon (Macc and light elemental dmg+10%), thoughts for BLU uses?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 15:02:20  
Sylph.Hyunkyl said: »
Thinking of switching over to DEX Uk's cap also, and to change my Adoulin ring reward again to either Haverton (dual wield and racc piece for RNG/COR) or Weatherspoon (Macc and light elemental dmg+10%), thoughts for BLU uses?

I don't know if the light elemental works both directions, it could be a pretty solid cure piece, the way obi's also work defensively. Other than that, magic hammer, retinal glare, and rail cannon.
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2014-12-29 15:03:13  
Flash Nova too if I'm not mistaken
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 15:04:26  
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Flash Nova too if I'm not mistaken

It's light elemental, yeah, but no idea how the ring stacks up to other options with the WS updates.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-12-29 16:23:20  
I believe last time Flash Nova was mentioned that Weatherspoon was regarded as best in slot, but I'd have to go digging to try and find it. Personally, I think Haverton outweighs all of the other options. But that's only because all of my melee jobs focus on dual wield and I play RNG and COR a ton. If you have more mage jobs than you do melee, Weatherspoon would probably be best.
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