Voidwatch JP Shouts/Yells

The reason they called Botulus Rex マツコ(Matsuko)　is in reference to the JP talent マツコ・デラックス (Matsuko Delux).

I won't say there aren't some differences ... but really, Sylow, this is just another over-generalization hyperbolization that perpetuates the problem. Yeah?

I'm speaking from experience. Yes, there are good and bad parties on both ends, but the probability of a JP alliance going smoothly is much higher than a not-run-by-me NA alliance.

I can only speak for Bahamut server, but as an Eng. speaker, I reply to JP VW shouts all the time and have only gotten invites if they were 17/18 and needed a COR.(they will usually use Auto-translate if this is the case and they are willing to invite anyone) I don't really care what they're fighting, just want to do something with my time online.

Other than that I never have gotten a <<no thanks>> or a <<i'm sorry>> they just plain ignore you on our server, yet, I have noticed that many JP's do join our ENG shouts and we are always accommodating to them.

I share your frustration OP.

I'd love to get in on JP groups, just because I don't ever have to speak besides listing off procs. I'm always the one who has to explain ***to someone, somewhere. Never get invited though. :/

I don't think my post said that Japanese are close-minded. But when I'm in VW most of the time I write in English faster than auto-translate and depending on the PUG time is of the essence. Now, I haven't VW'd with randoms in a LONG time as I'm out of stones again and after buying hundreds of voiddust for Pil, so PUG's could be different, I can only speak of my experience.

And I have people asking me what the hints mean in /tells even now and how the 1 3 5 system works. There are always new people coming into voidwatch.

I'm not saying to not try and join the shouts, just that is what the Japanese people have told us that is what to expect from those shouts.

A few things:

1.) JPs tend to have the exact jobs they're seeking listed in their search comment (サチコ). Notice the OP:


If you respond to them and don't tell them a job that's in their /seacom, they're not going to respond back because you didn't follow their simple instruction.

Sometimes they'll have specific requirements e.g. (赤 『スタン』 -- RDM - "Stunner" ) listed too.

2.) A little politeness goes a long way

I'll often introduce myself, politely, in Japanese. I'll say "Nice to meet you, I'm a foreigner, but I speak some Japanese. I can read the characters for weaknesses." I've never been turned down at this point for a JP shout when I had a job they were seeking.

Often (about half the time) even though I'm able to read Kanji and they know that I can understand weaknesses, the leader will specify that I"m a foreigner and ask people to use auto-translate if there's a weakness specific to me.

3.) Manners

Upon joining a JP alliance you'll notice a spam of variations of よろしく (Yoroshiku). It's a greeting. When someone joins the alliance, you should say "Yoroshiku onegai shimasu" even if you can't do it in Japanese characters.

At the end of the PT, you'll notice people saying おつかれさま, お疲れ様でした, or some variation of it (Otsukaresama deshita). This means "Thank you for all your hard work." (It's traditionally said to your coworkers when going home from the office.)

4.) Game

JP players expect that if you're joining an alliance for a fight you've read up on it and know what to expect from it, and know what you're supposed to do already. They expect that you know what your triggers are. They expect that you have all weapon skills / spells ready and raring to go. They expect that you have appropriate gear for whatever you're doing ready to go. They expect that you will join for however many fights they were shouting for. NA players are particularly notorious or not doing this. Stereotype or truth, JP players are usually worried that NA players are going to leave halfway through the # of fights they had specified in their shout or search comment.

So basically, if you want to join JP, learn JP.

Cool thanks.

I don't know Japanese and I greet them with Yoroshikudes~ as well. It's extending a hand to make them feel comfortable, regardless of the situation. Knowing a culture will help you integrate, or at the very least function within, better. Sylow makes good points.

It won't hurt you to learn a few words and a few characters in Japanese, no.

If you've got a problem with that, Sai, well, yeah, I can see why they wouldn't invite you with that attitude.

Not just learn jp, u must think about ur manners with them.
Lost the count of how many times ppl just get wht they want in VW and just leave saying its an ls event or whatever, they dont even wait till the end of the run.
Also, they really remember names, so if u screw with them one time, thats it.

Problem?!

This is what I get too. I used to have a friend named Tenchi, he could speak their language for me and tell me what they were saying. Every single party he'd point out some way they were making fun of us. Then he'd respond in their language basically saying "we can read what you're saying" and they'd shut up.

From what I'm reading I'm guessing Bahamut and Ramuh got the short end of the stick with the JP population. I've tried many, many, many, many times to get in on JP shouts for a variety of things, and every single time I get a "No Thanks" "English", a "Goodbye" or nothing at all in response.

As far as people saying JP players never afk or leave till it's done, that's a crock. I dunno how many times I made a group and had a few JP in there and get halfway through only to see "I'm sleepy" "Goodbye" or something to that effect.

I've met plenty of JP players that were really good, and met a bunch that really stank. As far as I can tell, they're just as good as we are, and there's some that will work both sides of the language barrier but the majority will not and it sucks. :/

Leaves me with a question though. Why do they translate half the shout if they don't want english players? o_o

JP players will GTFO a crappy group. (That's what I'm sleepy means).

I find, 9/10 times, I can rely on a JP to do their job, and more by contrast to their English speaking peers. Can't tell you how many times I've seen a JP RNG pull a clutch Dagger proc just when we needed it. I remember their names too, and they always get a spot when I see them again.

Yeah, that's the big thing. There are rotten eggs in the JP barrell, too, but they're in general much more reliable.

Yes, I can see how the JP could know my attitude towards learning their language by a /tell like,

-Hello!- -Ranger- / -Samurai- / -Thief- / -Ninja- -Do you need it?- -Thank You!-

Your post makes no sense.

sorry if this was talked about, i didn't back read but, why do jp players put times in their VW shouts? ie: "name" 21:00-00:00 >info in jp ect...

They probably had those jobs listed as full in their /seacom :)

[Hello!] etc. doesn't differentiate you from a typical English speaking player. Taking the extra step means you're taking it a little bit more seriously, and that very well may be the cultural tipping point for their accepting you into the alliance.

JPs will shout for events that will occur later, and occasionally specify an end time.

Actually, for big events JPs will sometimes shout to fill slots for events that will occur tomorrow ... and people actually show up!

Last JP I bothered responding to was a Kalstraux that was @3 when I /t them. Tried again @5. Never bothered to even say -No Thanks- so I dont waste my time with them anymore.

I get where you're coming from. I think it's downright rude when they don't respond, but at the same time they might think it's downright rude that we respond with jobs that they aren't asking for. Give-take, I guess... but they've been doing the no-response thing for years. Ask them if they want a party, no response, and they're even zoning through Jeuno or running around and I can see them. Culture.

That's fine, more slots for those of us that put forth the effort to interface culturally.

Even if you just say <hello> <____> <do you need it?> <japanese> <i can speak a little>

regardless of how much you speak, they respond (and don't expect you to actually understand anything in japanese)

I personally wouldn't be comfortable with saying that, since I can't speak or understand any of it. I only recognize yoroshiku for the most part. I also don't go out of my way to translate JP shouts unless I'm uber bored and looking for something to do, but I rarely, rarely ask to join.

Its unfortunate that SE does not provide the option of region specific servers.

Its obvious that there are plenty of people from all sides that would rather not play at all then have to interact with people of different backgrounds.

It would be nice to give them a place to go so the rest of us that would interact arent forced to deal with the many *** who wont.

No, it really wouldn't, because we'd be neglected. Region specific servers is a can of worms you don't want.

EDIT: Plus, I've met a lot of people and had a great many friendships that cross borders that I wouldn't give up for the world.

Anyway, I'm not saying that it's right that JPs will ignore English players, but it is understandable that it happens when (1.) NA players are viewed as being (a.) rude according to JP customs (b.) and less reliable than JP players and (2.) JP culture is naturally more xenophobic (3.) JPs who know English are often afraid to use it because they'll make a mistake (this is a linguistic difference between English and Japanese speakers. When someone speaks broken English, the language structure supports "mistakes" more so it's easier to understand, but Japanese is structured differently so grammatical/"spelling" errors are much more likely to make a huge difference in/completely destroy the meaning).

I'm just offering advice on how to get around it. Put forth a little bit of effort, and you'll be able to get in just fine.