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[Dev] BST Issues Addressed
 Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-16 19:16:04  
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Don't respond to Emanuelle/Latifah/w/emulehepostson, not worth the time!
I had to read this twice to notice w/e mulehepostson was one person and not w, and emulhepostson. Was like, who the hell is emule?
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2012-03-16 19:18:38  
Okay, seriously guys, tone down the petty arguments and continue the discussion, please.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-03-16 19:19:41  
Ragnarok.Anye said: »
Okay, seriously guys, tone down the petty arguments and continue the discussion, please.

'kay
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2012-03-16 19:29:28  
So that would be a topicban for you, and all your socks? 'kay.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-03-16 19:32:50  
Just occurred to me how badly I want the answer to what possible rationale they have to make Confrontation status despawn pets and why it's been "needed from the start". It's just an annoyance similar to pets despawning when zoning, except the JA timer isn't as likely to be up every time.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2012-03-16 19:37:23  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Don't respond to Emanuelle/Latifah/w/emulehepostson, not worth the time!
I had to read this twice to notice w/e mulehepostson was one person and not w, and emulhepostson. Was like, who the hell is emule?
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2012-03-16 19:41:45  
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What SE failed at was not making a successful MMO. They failed at keeping it relevant with other competition in the industry, and mostly failed at listening to what players asked for vs beating them over the head repeatedly with what SE felt made the most sense.
This.
The abyssea era was perfect.... but then they did a whole 180 after it ended.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-03-16 19:52:36  
Phoenix.Fredjan said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
What SE failed at was not making a successful MMO. They failed at keeping it relevant with other competition in the industry, and mostly failed at listening to what players asked for vs beating them over the head repeatedly with what SE felt made the most sense.
This.
The abyssea era was perfect.... but then they did a whole 180 after it ended.

This is what i meant by its harder than u think to make a MMO fresh over the years.

I know that plenty of ppl didnt like lolabyssea or the "newbs" it produced.

and i know plenty of ppl loved abyssea and thought it should be like that forever.

just like are ppl who love and hate VW. I dont mind it myself, But i wouldnt miss it if it was gone..
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By Cerberus.Kiori 2012-03-16 20:18:25  
I'd love to see Jug pets be able to zone...I think cost should be the effect of why they should implement this.

I payed 200-300k for a stack of the new turtle, just to try it out. I haven't played much on BST...but for a pet like that...I don't want to feel restricted for the hour or how ever long the pet lasts...the new ones last at least 2 hours now (i think the sheep is one of them)
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By Sylph.Knala 2012-03-16 20:47:04  
or there is people like me who have a middle of the road view on aby, liked how gear didnt take forever in a day to get gear, however the overpowering nature of atma and cruor buffs could have been toned down a bit something more akin to atmacites(though they still got that a bit wrong)
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By Asura.Tot 2012-03-16 21:15:19  
SE really should start listening to the people more.

1: making jug pets able to zone with you makes 100% sense and i see no way how that could be "unblanced", whats the point in giving them a time limit if its not the case?

2: give us real PvP! make it like turning on a party flag, no bullsh*t rules or npcs! i wanna smack my friends like i smack a mob :P

3: remove the double up option once a 11 is rolled on cor... so many 11's wasted on a mis-macro ; ; lol..

4: i had a really good point to make but i forgoted it :(
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By Bahamut.Fistandantilus 2012-03-16 21:39:15  
Asura.Tot said: »
SE really should start listening to the people more.

2: give us real PvP! make it like turning on a party flag, no bullsh*t rules or npcs! i wanna smack my friends like i smack a mob :P

This ^ x100
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-03-17 04:44:37  
My words were taken wrong earlier, I meant that making charmed pets zone is stupid, I was only for the jugs being allowed to do it.
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By Bismarck.Xdudemanx 2012-03-17 04:57:14  
i would like to be able to zone with my jug pets but i could care less since i craft most of my stuff so it doesnt cost much when i lose one...as far as dynamis goes..people still do dynamis? ....
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-03-17 05:02:06  
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Asura.Tot said: »
SE really should start listening to the people more.

2: give us real PvP! make it like turning on a party flag, no bullsh*t rules or npcs! i wanna smack my friends like i smack a mob :P

This ^ x100

Ymm Thats pretty much impossible. They would need to rebalance all jobs to make a REAL pvp option and at the same time keep the balance vs mobs. You really dont want this.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 05:06:12  
SE needs to nerf DNC.
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By Valefor.Zolan 2012-03-17 11:08:51  
So to the OP... Basically I just read nothing is changing Fin~?
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By joelchiquito 2012-03-17 11:27:19  
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Asura.Tot said: »
SE really should start listening to the people more.

2: give us real PvP! make it like turning on a party flag, no bullsh*t rules or npcs! i wanna smack my friends like i smack a mob :P

This ^ x100

Ymm Thats pretty much impossible. They would need to rebalance all jobs to make a REAL pvp option and at the same time keep the balance vs mobs. You really dont want this.
pve have nothing to do with pvp, no need to balance mobs in order to fight a real person, the game needs a duel button/flag to pvp outside towns, it will be the same as ballista/brenner but without stupid reservations or npc/waiting times
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By Bahamut.Fistandantilus 2012-03-17 11:31:39  
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Asura.Tot said: »
SE really should start listening to the people more.

2: give us real PvP! make it like turning on a party flag, no bullsh*t rules or npcs! i wanna smack my friends like i smack a mob :P

This ^ x100

Ymm Thats pretty much impossible. They would need to rebalance all jobs to make a REAL pvp option and at the same time keep the balance vs mobs. You really dont want this.

They don't "need" to rebalance anything to make a PvP on/off command or a duel option. Most people just want to fight their friends, and LS mates. Regardless of whether you wanted it for that option or if you wished to battle random people it's very simple.

If someone is on a *** cheaty job you simply decline to fight them, or suggest they change to a different job more suitable for an even fight. Personally I wouldn't care wtf job they were on considering the stagnant nature of the PvE in XI. It would just be a nice change of pace.

It's not as if people running around telling everyone how WTFBBQ they are at PvP yet they only ever duel on Rdm,Blu, or Paladin would not quickly gain a reputation as a massive tool. Same as morons catch a bad rap now for sucking at VW.

Gimme "unbalanced" PvP that is uncapped, and accessible in any zone you find normal mobs, and I will gladly take my chances against w/e job combos.
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By Bahamut.Yeffebel 2012-03-17 11:50:10  
I think what they are going to change is not the jug time but rather the NM pop issue in Dynamis. As it is right now whenever a new NM is popped all pets disappear. Might not seem like a major issue, but if you are popping several NMs in a row with a group, 1 new jug every pop isn't very nice.
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By Bahamut.Razorback 2012-03-17 11:53:51  
Bahamut.Yeffebel said: »
I think what they are going to change is not the jug time but rather the NM pop issue in Dynamis. As it is right now whenever a new NM is popped all pets disappear. Might not seem like a major issue, but if you are popping several NMs in a row with a group, 1 new jug every pop isn't very nice.

If so, they should change it for Voidwatch. Not sure if its been resolved for that but when it first came out I went as bst with some smns and we all lost pets. I haven't done VW in months.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-03-17 11:54:31  
Bismarck.Xdudemanx said: »
i would like to be able to zone with my jug pets but i could care less since i craft most of my stuff so it doesnt cost much when i lose one...as far as dynamis goes..people still do dynamis? ....
You can make millions a day doing dynamis not to mention the +2 relic gear is pretty awesome for some jobs.
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By joelchiquito 2012-03-17 12:14:20  
Josiahkf said: »
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Asura.Tot said: »
SE really should start listening to the people more.

2: give us real PvP! make it like turning on a party flag, no bullsh*t rules or npcs! i wanna smack my friends like i smack a mob :P

This ^ x100

Ymm Thats pretty much impossible. They would need to rebalance all jobs to make a REAL pvp option and at the same time keep the balance vs mobs. You really dont want this.
jobs don't need to be balanced to put on a pvp flag in the middle of some zone and kill your friends for fun or boredom while waiting for a NM spawn. like sparing to master your job but bring reraise lol

they could even make it "only party members with the pvp icon clicked can engage one another" so it can't be exploited competing for a NM. everyone else would see "You cannot attack that target. the Josiahkf is claimed." if not in party etc

1. option to ignore duel requests to avoid spam
2. leaving zone will automatically remove hostile mode
3. can't attack mobs/nms

it's not that hard to code really >.>, i'm glad ff14 will have all these pvp features on patch 2.0
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-03-18 06:08:27  
Idk maybe I'm just too careful but I think IF we would have pvp option like that then morons on OF would start spamming ***like "Do something with x job because its too weak in pvp" at massive scale.
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