Guttler, Did I Just Waste My Time?
Guttler, did i just waste my time?
What exactly is "pretty solid"? I haven't mathed the two weapons but everything I know about BST and the various onehand Mythics suggests that it wouldn't be much of an improvement if it actually is an improvement at all.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
What exactly is "in-game testing"? I haven't mathed the two weapons but everything I know about BST and the various onehand Mythics suggests it's going to be ~even at best.
Looks pretty solid to me.
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Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Looks pretty solid to me.
Looks can be deceiving... Might actually be hollow.
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Think we're taking Aymur for granite.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Think we're taking Aymur for granite.
Badumch
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Think we're taking Aymur for granite.
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This thread has gotten too far sha ken up from the original topic.
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
This thread has gotten too far sha ken up from the original topic.
Open it... >.>
Aymur looks cooler.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Probably because the only known person with one doesn't gear swap.
It's not ignorance when I've seen it firsthand.
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Bahamut.Haublice said: »
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
I only have lvl 4 runiator but onslaught still out dmgs it in most cases and with the aftermath makes it worth always using. My onslaught set isnt the best but i havent had any issues with it and always use the ws.
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Bahamut.Haublice said: »
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
I only have lvl 4 runiator but onslaught still out dmgs it in most cases and with the aftermath makes it worth always using. My onslaught set isnt the best but i havent had any issues with it and always use the ws.
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Bahamut.Haublice said: »
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
I only have lvl 4 runiator but onslaught still out dmgs it in most cases and with the aftermath makes it worth always using. My onslaught set isnt the best but i havent had any issues with it and always use the ws.
If you are going to disagree u can at least elabroate.
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Bahamut.Haublice said: »
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
I only have lvl 4 runiator but onslaught still out dmgs it in most cases and with the aftermath makes it worth always using. My onslaught set isnt the best but i havent had any issues with it and always use the ws.
If you are going to disagree u can at least elabroate.
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Bahamut.Haublice said: »
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
I only have lvl 4 runiator but onslaught still out dmgs it in most cases and with the aftermath makes it worth always using. My onslaught set isnt the best but i havent had any issues with it and always use the ws.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Bahamut.Haublice said: »
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
I only have lvl 4 runiator but onslaught still out dmgs it in most cases and with the aftermath makes it worth always using. My onslaught set isnt the best but i havent had any issues with it and always use the ws.
If you are going to disagree u can at least elabroate.
I dont have a ruinator set to post cause i dont use it, but i do find it amusing how ppl can disagree when they obviously dont know the facts.
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Bahamut.Haublice said: »
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
I only have lvl 4 runiator but onslaught still out dmgs it in most cases and with the aftermath makes it worth always using. My onslaught set isnt the best but i havent had any issues with it and always use the ws.
If you are going to disagree u can at least elabroate.
I dont have a ruinator set to post cause i dont use it, but i do find it amusing how ppl can disagree when they obviously dont know the facts.
So you make a claim that onslaught is better but don't use ruinator. What is the basis of your comparison?
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Xilk said: »
Any comparisons of just the master dd compared w/ a "heavy" dd to know where they fall? Frankly I've not been able to find any comparison. I don't think there has ever been a good one. That would at least give a base point for how much damage the pet would need to make up. I am not at all certain that BST doesn't already compare w/ "heavy" DD's. I think Ruinator was the last thing bst needed to be more competitive.
The only truly viable end game we have atm that isn't recycled content is VW. Unfortunately regardless how much damage the master puts out compared to a heavy DD it will be for naught in the VW arena. Considering the event is built around temps which do not extend to pets you'll spend the majority of fights w/o 50% of your DD output while you wait on Call Beast timer. Not gonna win any parses like that.
Hopefully Legion will be slightly more friendly to pet jobs. Having to heal pets frequently? I can live with that. Good Bst's can time their rewards to coincide with WS/snarl for minimum tp loss. However, having to watch CB timer with 1:30 or 2mins remaining is a deal breaker to ever being taken seriously in a DD slot.
Bismarck.Nevill said: »
So you make a claim that onslaught is better but don't use ruinator. What is the basis of your comparison?
You do know that Ruinator takes time to proc right? so either
A. He isnt waiting long enough.
or
B. 4/5 ruinator sucks and it doesnt shine until you put that last sweet merit into it where it becomes whole. 5/5 is where the monies at.
Bismarck.Nevill said: »
So you make a claim that onslaught is better but don't use ruinator. What is the basis of your comparison?
Exctally i dont use it, i didnt say i never used it
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bismarck.Nevill said: »
So you make a claim that onslaught is better but don't use ruinator. What is the basis of your comparison?
You do know that Ruinator takes time to proc right? so either
A. He isnt waiting long enough.
or
B. 4/5 ruinator sucks and it doesnt shine until you put that last sweet merit into it where it becomes whole. 5/5 is where the monies at.
See is this so hard for ppl to say? Back up ur facts instead of saying ur wrong.
How can someone think that a 2.75 fTP ws with a 60% dex mod will outdo a 5.0 ftp WS (6.0 if you're doing it right, 7.2 if you're dual wielding and doing it right) 4.0 ftp WS (4.8 if you're doing it right, 6.0 if you're dual wielding and doing it right) with a 100% STR mod (I guess 80% in his case)?
Edit: Added a hit to Ruinator.
Edit: Added a hit to Ruinator.
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Bismarck.Nevill said: »
So you make a claim that onslaught is better but don't use ruinator. What is the basis of your comparison?
Exctally i dont use it, i didnt say i never used it
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bismarck.Nevill said: »
So you make a claim that onslaught is better but don't use ruinator. What is the basis of your comparison?
You do know that Ruinator takes time to proc right? so either
A. He isnt waiting long enough.
or
B. 4/5 ruinator sucks and it doesnt shine until you put that last sweet merit into it where it becomes whole. 5/5 is where the monies at.
See is this so hard for ppl to say? Back up ur facts instead of saying ur wrong.
No. 4/5 Ruinator will still outdo onslaught, or you're gearing for Ruinator entirely wrong.
138 STR
154 DEX
586/436 = 1.344 cRatio
((74+16+(154*.6*.85))*3.85 = 648 x 1.344 = 872
127 STR
602/436 = 1.380
((74+16+(127*.8*.85))*5.5 = 969 x 1.380 = 1338
DC mob defense, since all BST is good for is dynamis, and I doubt you use food. I used hume for your base stats, and Ruinator isn't even 5/5 or belt+gorget, just gorget. You also have more DA in your rampage set which favors Ruinator even more.
154 DEX
586/436 = 1.344 cRatio
((74+16+(154*.6*.85))*3.85 = 648 x 1.344 = 872
127 STR
602/436 = 1.380
((74+16+(127*.8*.85))*5.5 = 969 x 1.380 = 1338
DC mob defense, since all BST is good for is dynamis, and I doubt you use food. I used hume for your base stats, and Ruinator isn't even 5/5 or belt+gorget, just gorget. You also have more DA in your rampage set which favors Ruinator even more.
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