Oh Canada!

then i hope you never have children, or walk outside for that matter.

this is a real ***load of crap and a waste of a thread. This was a either a opinion based on a pole by a bunch of ppl, aimed at a specific land mass. Its all over.. and to be quite frank, everyone has their own set of rules. I may be old skool, and had my share of spankings or what I heard was called " a licking" from our parents, I nvr turned out to be a bad kid.


Exactly. Where I live, there are alot of kids, who cry, "i'm gonna call the cops on you for you hitting me." and play that card. tbh, if you let a child get away with murder, what's next? Some disipline never hurt any child, and tbh if you ask a good % of ppl on here, if they got spanked, did it change them in a bad way?

Maybe the OP needs to do a POLL on here and find some better statistical response, rather than just go and " Blame Canada"

COP OUT...

not even going to go into the details of how one cannot measure their own development as "fine" as it's unscientific and biased.

nor does ones perception of others match up to two decades of research specifically on the subject.

(not trying to call you a liar or stupid but seriously your views contradict the evidence).

like the article said: this isn't really a debate anymore about if it's harmful or not, we know it is.

what? did you read the link the op posted at all?

You posted this on FFXIAH fully knowing where it would go and what would happen. This is the second / third spanking children topic you have made?

I neither fully agree nor disagree with your opinions but most advocates against spanking tend to blur the line between spanking and abuse.

Also. I normally don't put much stock into research put forth by psychologist piggybacking on medical studies that did not have their basis set in finding the psychological effects of said study. Again, the line gets blurred and you have mainly cases of actual child abuse that gets toted as mild spanking.

basically that is their mindset...


then don't post here, and like I've already said: people's views of their owning rearing are distorted, especially in the realm of abuse, very similar to battered wife syndrome.

edit: also I never said "blame canada..."

I read it, and I made my opinion here like everyone else. Excuse me.

It says Toronto-Reuters, I know... I know CHEO all too well.. its just a opinion from some rich professional nutbag is all.

No Hitting at all. If you can't handle a child without hitting them then don't have kids.

its very easy.
1. my brothers are all ok as well as many many of the people i grew up with who had similar upbringings.

2. my views are based on almost 3 decades of viewing the subject matter. not every kid who gets spanked as a child grows up to be a card carrying psychopath.

3. from what i read this wasnt a 20 year study they just examined 20 years of evidence and im sure it wasnt from a very large demographic.

idk how many I've made, but this is the first I've seen this study.

I know where it's gone in the past and like I said I'd prefer to avoid it, I'm trying my part.

(also it's not a matter of blurring as it's considered an act of abuse by many)

do you really not understand the difference between abuse and a spanking when you do something wrong?

again your limited perspective and ability to determine these things is extremely limited in comparison.

I didn't intend to imply that it was a twenty year study, my bad.

I understand what you consider the difference being.

I don't agree that hurting a child (physically/mentally) under the guise of "discipline" isn't abuse.

so because i dont have a doctorate or some rich guys money my observations based on real world experiences are skewed? good to know

I made an opinion like everyone else. You watch.. This thread will be locked b.c now your aiming this at a specific person... GTH

pardon me, sometimes ignorance is just bliss.

that's not why, if you didn't understand it from what I said, I don't expect you will. Maybe somebody else can do a better job of explaining the scientific process. (sorry I'm not that great at explaining semantics).

i would love to see this scientific process that they used. pretty sure it wouldnt include dredging up old newspaper clippings and other peoples research exclusively. this im sure allowed them to pick and choose what went into their report based on if it agreed with their hypothesis or not. ive seen that version of science a lot over the years too.

Considering they published their findings in a scientific journal which will be reviewed by other scientists, I doubt that.

hence the purpose of publishing their findings.

Since I can't see my report button, hopefully Krizz will.

I'll bookmark it and see if I can access the journal via my school.

I have to take 112 if I'm transferring to ODU so I may write a paper on it.

(I loathe writing).

That article was horrible.

Psychological studies are typically made up to be fact in the media, like it was done here. When psychological studies aren't like scientific discoveries, they just display statistics.

The meaning behind those statistical observations are what most people miss and why the story seems so disturbing.

All of the facts in the article could easily be because of the parents and genetics. Smarter more educated parents aren't going to hit their kids as much. The uneducated stupid parent's are going to hit their kids more. Does this mean that spanking makes kids dumb and lowers their IQ? Well probably not. It just means they are inheriting their parents genetic traits.

Also this article and perhaps the study doesn't draw a line for spanking kids.

There is a big difference between parents who spank their kids once in a while to parents who do it all the time. The severity of the spanking is also a big factor. Neither of these things are accounted for. And if you try to tell me that a kid who is spanked once is the same as a kid who is beaten repeatedly, well that is just ridiculous.

And this is coming from someone who actually has anxiety and other problems that may have come from being beaten all the time as a kid. I wasn't spanked, I was smacked around repeatedly.

Until the data is more formalized and actually proves something, it's kind of useless.

so show me the studies that they included that show the positive results of corporal punishment.

I'll even agree on that note.

while I agree that they are all abuse, even abuse has severity differences and can occur just once or multiple times.

as for the article: it suggesting that the children end up "dumber" is a bit of stretch imo...that would be damned hard to measure, well unless we start mass cloning (that would be a more accurate study).

Sounds almost like Pavlov's Theory... Bell & Salivate theory... Do good behaviour reward system.. bad behaviour.. no reward... so in this situation... well sorta.. behavior play key role here.

the more i keep reading this article the more it continues to sound like biased one-sided conjecture. its like jesi said, the media grabbed a hold of it and sensationalized it. im sure a lot of it was taken out of context as well.

What the hell do Canadians know anyway! Stupid Canadians!

traitor!!

LOL

Just for that, might as well stay there.

spanking is most definitely violence, not all violence is a crime however.