Im actually Pro life, women and men have all these dang things. condoms, that thing women can put in there vagina then take out w/e, men can get vasectomy, women can get Tubes tied, I hear theres that plan b thing, and im sure there's alot of other things I didn't name and, im sure nothing I did name is 100%, but still
When I hear abortion, I don't think of it being Immoral, Imo its just laziness......
Only time im in favor of abortion is when the women was raped, or there is a chance that the mom or baby could die giving birth, or if the baby has a chance of being born with a serious birth defect.
as much as im against abortion, I hate it when people are giving heat to Groups like Planned Parenthood just for performing abortions, these guys are just doing their jobs....
This a*hole claims that abortion is 90% of what planned parenthood does, when in reality its only I think 4%.(I also only posted to post this video) >_>
I also consider abortion to be the most Sane way to terminate a pregnancy, If the woman doesn't want to have a baby, there is plenty of other(f**kd*up) things a woman can do to terminate a pregnancy.
the question is: even if it was just being lazy (which it's not) why is that any of your or anyone elses business?
That's like asking What business of yours is it that he murdered someone else?
In our society we form rules for what we consider to be right or wrong. That's why, currently, you can't get an abortion legally when you have crossed a certain point/ The argument has always been "when does life begin?" Abortion is only legal to a certain point. The argument still rages on.
no it isn't...
other people have rights, you're comparing unlike things.
the argument isn't that btw, not for people who understand anything about the development of a fetus...
I don't get it then... is it not a law that we enforce that you can have an abortion only up until the point of "fetal viability"? To me, at least, that is determining when life is sustainable by the child still inside the womb if it was brought into the world right then. A person who is 8 months in can't say "oops don't want it now."
So there is a point where we examine life and viability. There is a point where we determine the action to change from one person's own personal choice to being a legal issue. There is a point where it becomes someone else's business. Maybe not mine or yours but we are all still entitled to our own opinions.
people know where that point is (is what I was getting at, as in it's not a question) the argument is people's beliefs trying to be infringed upon others.
As to a currently law stating such, idk I've never felt the need to research it.
I'm actually curious on how vasectomy works......does it just completely stop any semen from coming out lol? (would look it up, but kinda eating atm....)
No it just prevents sperm from entering the rest of the fluid.
If a guy doesn't wear a rubber and then is all pissed about getting a girl preggo then I will just laugh at him lol... Be prepared to accept the consequences.
If a woman wants to get an abortion well I hope she would at least talk to the guy first and whoever else because I know a few girls who have gotten them and they all regret it. Those are just the ones I know though, I'm sure there are others that don't or it was just right for them at the time. It's a big decision. For those that use them as birth control... I came across a woman that had 5 abortions... It gets to the point that you start to ask yourself "why?" After that she actually could not have kids anymore so I guess it worked out for her.
I don't get why guys complain about condoms. Even if the woman is on the pill, you can get so many nasty diseases from doing the nasty. Why risk your health or financial future for a few minutes of pleasure, especially when slipping a condom on takes seconds. XD
I can understand not wanting to use one if you're in a committed relationship, but people still lie. :(
you obviously don't understand how much they suck, tbh I'm surprised people bother with them...
if he's doing you with a rubber on, he really likes you ^.O
I'm actually curious on how vasectomy works......does it just completely stop any semen from coming out lol? (would look it up, but kinda eating atm....)
No it just prevents sperm from entering the rest of the fluid.
If a guy doesn't wear a rubber and then is all pissed about getting a girl preggo then I will just laugh at him lol... Be prepared to accept the consequences.
If a woman wants to get an abortion well I hope she would at least talk to the guy first and whoever else because I know a few girls who have gotten them and they all regret it. Those are just the ones I know though, I'm sure there are others that don't or it was just right for them at the time. It's a big decision. For those that use them as birth control... I came across a woman that had 5 abortions... It gets to the point that you start to ask yourself "why?" After that she actually could not have kids anymore so I guess it worked out for her.
If a woman is using abortions like birth control, I'm glad she isn't having children.
I don't get why guys complain about condoms. Even if the woman is on the pill, you can get so many nasty diseases from doing the nasty. Why risk your health or financial future for a few minutes of pleasure, especially when slipping a condom on takes seconds. XD
I can understand not wanting to use one if you're in a committed relationship, but people still lie. :(
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Agree.
When I'm married I'll consider not using a condom fulltime but before that? Naw, never can be too careful.
If a woman gets all bitchy about a condom, my inner admiral ackbar starts talking.
I definitely respect guys who are adamant about using them. It shows to me that they have at least more than one brain cell. (And they use it) Brains are sexy. >.> <.<
I don't get why guys complain about condoms. Even if the woman is on the pill, you can get so many nasty diseases from doing the nasty. Why risk your health or financial future for a few minutes of pleasure, especially when slipping a condom on takes seconds. XD
I can understand not wanting to use one if you're in a committed relationship, but people still lie. :(
Well it's easy to do when you're in a committed relationship. People do lie indeed... My friends wife (now but not at the time) gave him herpes. Easily avoidable by proposing that each person gets tested before the hanky panky commences.
I know girls that don't like the feel of condoms either so it's sometimes asked of guys if the girl is on the pill. All in all though if you're not going to take precautions be ready to accept the consequences. If you're that unlucky couple that does and still gets it then well my condolences.
The decision is usually a very hard one to make and well yeah...
If a guy doesn't wear a rubber and then is all pissed about getting a girl preggo then I will just laugh at him lol... Be prepared to accept the consequences.
If a woman wants to get an abortion well I hope she would at least talk to the guy first and whoever else because I know a few girls who have gotten them and they all regret it. Those are just the ones I know though, I'm sure there are others that don't or it was just right for them at the time. It's a big decision. For those that use them as birth control... I came across a woman that had 5 abortions... It gets to the point that you start to ask yourself "why?" After that she actually could not have kids anymore so I guess it worked out for her.
If a woman is using abortions like birth control, I'm glad she isn't having children.
I agree but I don't understand why a pro-choicer would say that... I mean I'm told over and over again that it is not a life and that is why it is acceptable to do. So why would a person who is pro-choice care one way or another? It's not our business and some cells are just being flushed right? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything I just don't get it.
I definitely respect guys who are adamant about using them. It shows to me that they have at least more than one brain cell. (And they use it) Brains are sexy. >.> <.<
I've seen too many people go down in a ball of flames because of trying to shortcut birth control. Just this summer alone the pull out method claimed another pair of individuals I know, setting them both down the path of having to deal with a baby before they were both ready.
Perhaps it's just paranoia or the sex-ed course worked.
I just think the excuse of, "She said she was on the pill" is old. People advocate sex ed, but they themselves say they don't want to use a condom because it doesn't feel good. Personally, I don't see the point in casual sexual flings anyway, so I should probably be quiet and count my blessings. :x
I definitely respect guys who are adamant about using them. It shows to me that they have at least more than one brain cell. (And they use it) Brains are sexy. >.> <.<
I've seen too many people go down in a ball of flames because of trying to shortcut birth control. Just this summer alone the pull out method claimed another pair of individuals I know, setting them both down the path of having to deal with a baby before they were both ready.
Perhaps it's just paranoia or the sex-ed course worked.
Just watch scrubs to further that paranoia... He didn't even make it in...
I just think the excuse of, "She said she was on the pill" is old. People advocate sex ed, but they themselves say they don't want to use a condom because it doesn't feel good. Personally, I don't see the point in casual sexual flings anyway, so I should probably be quiet and count my blessings. :x
Either way you look at it... It's both of their faults lol. All she has to say is put it on or you're not getting any.
As for casual sex... it's not my scene either but it works for some.
I agree but I don't understand why a pro-choicer would say that... I mean I'm told over and over again that it is not a life and that is why it is acceptable to do. So why would a person who is pro-choice care one way or another? It's not our business and some cells are just being flushed right? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything I just don't get it.
I care because if the child was born to such an irresponsible mother the likelihood of that individual growing up in an environment conducive to being a productive member of society would already be compromised. There are always exceptions of course.
Ultimately it's the mother's choice to have the child one way or another (thus pro-choice) but if you're using abortions as birth control the mother is not in control of herself so it's safe to infer she probably couldn't handle the enormous responsibility of raising a child to begin with.
I definitely respect guys who are adamant about using them. It shows to me that they have at least more than one brain cell. (And they use it) Brains are sexy. >.> <.<
I've seen too many people go down in a ball of flames because of trying to shortcut birth control. Just this summer alone the pull out method claimed another pair of individuals I know, setting them both down the path of having to deal with a baby before they were both ready.
Perhaps it's just paranoia or the sex-ed course worked.
I have a cousin who got knocked up by a guy in Africa. She's the same age as me and has a 3 year old. I'm soooo glad I wasn't that stupid. Sometimes seeing other people's misery is a good reminder to be safe.
Edit: The father was a lecturer on abstinence in a Christian college in South Africa. He had a fiance, I believe they still got married. >.>
I agree but I don't understand why a pro-choicer would say that... I mean I'm told over and over again that it is not a life and that is why it is acceptable to do. So why would a person who is pro-choice care one way or another? It's not our business and some cells are just being flushed right? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything I just don't get it.
I care because if the child was born to such an irresponsible mother the likelihood of that individual growing up in an environment conducive to being a productive member of society would already be compromised. There are always exceptions of course.
Ultimately it's the mother's choice to have the child one way or another (thus pro-choice) but if you're using abortions as birth control you're not in control of yourself so it's safe to infer you probably couldn't handle the enormous responsibility of raising a child to begin with.
Having multiple abortions makes you an irresponsible person?
I definitely respect guys who are adamant about using them. It shows to me that they have at least more than one brain cell. (And they use it) Brains are sexy. >.> <.<
I've seen too many people go down in a ball of flames because of trying to shortcut birth control. Just this summer alone the pull out method claimed another pair of individuals I know, setting them both down the path of having to deal with a baby before they were both ready.
Perhaps it's just paranoia or the sex-ed course worked.
I have a cousin who got knocked up by a guy in Africa. She's the same age as me and has a 3 year old. I'm soooo glad I wasn't that stupid. Sometimes seeing other people's misery is a good reminder to be safe.
Edit: The father was a lecturer on abstinence in Christian college in South Africa. He had a fiance, I believe they still got married. >.>
Not all that uncommon. I had a friend in the marines who hooked up with someone in the marines with her. He got her preggo then told her he was engaged... Still got married to his fiance and she is now a single mommy.
Pro-Choice. If a woman is not ready to take on the burden of supporting a child, she should not be forced to.
If you are Pro-Life for religious regions, please keep your beliefs out of government, thank you.
Also, there is nothing "sacred" about life. There are 7 billion of us, and the human race will do just fine without the to-be-aborted children (probably better actually, considering overpopulation).
I have a cousin who got knocked up by a guy in Africa. She's the same age as me and has a 3 year old. I'm soooo glad I wasn't that stupid. Sometimes watching other people's misery is a good reminder to be safe.
Women need to learn that they're in control of the sex and that guys need to be put in place for their own sake at times. A horny dude is about as reliable as a drunk dude and women stand to lose more should things go awry.
Guys don't get stuck raising a baby either and the option to flee has been used since the dawn of time. Too many women out there think that all guys are capable of stepping up to the plate when a baby comes knocking unannounced.
Having multiple abortions makes you an irresponsible person?
Yes?
Well let's put it this way. If you have the birth control fail multiple times resulting in numerous abortions you're either the most unlucky person on the planet or you're doing it wrong.
Having multiple abortions makes you an irresponsible person?
Yes?
Well let's put it this way. If you have the birth control fail multiple times resulting in numerous abortions you're either the most unlucky person on the planet or you're doing it wrong.
Having multiple abortions makes you an irresponsible person?
Yes?
I wouldn't say that it does but it does certainly imply it, at least if you've had 5.
So you're pro-choice and you see nothing wrong with abortions but if you have too many you're doing something wrong (in terms of birth control) or just unlucky? What if the person just doesn't want a kid at that time and this is the easiest way for her to deal with it?
Could make a convincing case for either side of this, so it's an endless debate.
Almost every pregnancy, with the exception of rape victims, could have been avoided if caution was exercised. Sexual intercourse is how we reproduce. From a pro-life standpoint, no one should practice the process of reproduction without the intent to reproduce, I don't care how good it feels.
From the other point of view, why should any woman be forced by law to carry a child that she doesn't want to deliver, given that it can safely be terminated? Any of you remember being in the womb in the first trimester? BUT W8 U CULD ADOPT! You can save years of trauma and teach a valuable lesson with a simple procedure.
Pro-Choice. If a woman is not ready to take on the burden of supporting a child, she should not be forced to.
If you are Pro-Life for religious regions, please keep your beliefs out of government, thank you.
Also, there is nothing "sacred" about life. There are 7 billion of us, and the human race will do just fine without the to-be-aborted children (probably better actually, considering overpopulation).
Sacred or not... With that logic why can't anyone just go around killing people at will then?
Having multiple abortions makes you an irresponsible person?
Yes?
Well let's put it this way. If you have the birth control fail multiple times resulting in numerous abortions you're either the most unlucky person on the planet or you're doing it wrong.
Having multiple abortions makes you an irresponsible person?
Yes?
I wouldn't say that it does but it does certainly imply it, at least if you've had 5.
So you're pro-choice and you see nothing wrong with abortions but if you have too many you're doing something wrong (in terms of birth control) or just unlucky? What if the person just doesn't want a kid at that time and this is the easiest way for her to deal with it?
I didn't say that it does mean it but it certainly does imply it, aka there's other factors that you'd have to consider. There's no blanket statement.
Could make a convincing case for either side of this, so it's an endless debate.
Almost every pregnancy, with the exception of rape victims, could have been avoided if caution was exercised. Sexual intercourse is how we reproduce. From a pro-life standpoint, no one should practice the process of reproduction without the intent to reproduce, I don't care how good it feels.
From the other point of view, why should any woman be forced by law to carry a child that she doesn't want to deliver, given that it can safely be terminated? Any of you remember being in the womb in the first trimester? BUT W8 U CULD ADOPT! You can save years of trauma and teach a valuable lesson with a simple procedure.
The concept of sexual intercourse for only reproduction is ridiculous beyond comparison.
Could make a convincing case for either side of this, so it's an endless debate.
Almost every pregnancy, with the exception of rape victims, could have been avoided if caution was exercised. Sexual intercourse is how we reproduce. From a pro-life standpoint, no one should practice the process of reproduction without the intent to reproduce, I don't care how good it feels.
From the other point of view, why should any woman be forced by law to carry a child that she doesn't want to deliver, given that it can safely be terminated? Any of you remember being in the womb in the first trimester? BUT W8 U CULD ADOPT! You can save years of trauma and teach a valuable lesson with a simple procedure.
The concept of sexual intercourse for only reproduction is ridiculous beyond comparison.
