Fetuses are parasites, biologically. But it certainly doesn't help out the antichoicers.
No, not technically.
A parasite decreases the biological fitness of the host, which is the likelihood of surviving and passing on one's genetic material.
A fetus is the manifestation of passing down genetic material, so the fetus feeding off of you actually increases your fitness as long as it doesn't get you killed.
Are you at all educated on pregnancy? It causes a major upset to the person's body. Parasites and hosts often enjoy mutually supportive relationships. I don't even know what you're arguing though.
which is no different that any other life :/ if you're so gung-ho about life, go make a difference in africa where they machete people for their livestock, or some of the other horrid places where they kill people for stupid reasons. i guarantee you more people have died that way instead of by abortions.
Fetuses are parasites, biologically. But it certainly doesn't help out the antichoicers.
No, not technically.
A parasite decreases the biological fitness of the host, which is the likelihood of surviving and passing on one's genetic material.
A fetus is the manifestation of passing down genetic material, so the fetus feeding off of you actually increases your fitness as long as it doesn't get you killed.
Are you at all educated on pregnancy? It causes a major upset to the person's body. Parasites and hosts often enjoy mutually supportive relationships. I don't even know what you're arguing though.
Another way to think of fitness in a biological sense is reproductive capacity. In other words, a parasite reduces the reproductive capacity of the host (by harming it).
The fetus is an essential component to the woman's reproductive capacity (she can't reproduce without nursing a fetus).
As a result, the fetus-mother relationship fails at least one part of the definition of parasitism.
(It actually fails the biological definition of parasitism by default, since parasitism is a heterospecific relationship, but that's beside the point.)
Its possible to be Pro-Life personally while being Pro-Choice which is what several people have said here.
Sure, you would never have an abortion, but what gives you the right to force your beliefs onto someone else? Thats basically all you are doing.
I, personally, would never want my wife to have an abortion. But I also recognize her right and every other person's right to do with their body as they please.
I suppose that makes sense. It still doesn't mean anything different in regards to the properties of the fetus in relationship to the pregnant person that are illustrated through the word, though.
Its possible to be Pro-Life personally while being Pro-Choice which is what several people have said here.
Sure, you would never have an abortion, but what gives you the right to force your beliefs onto someone else? Thats basically all you are doing.
I, personally, would never want my wife to have an abortion. But I also recognize her right and every other person's right to do with their body as they please.
"1) An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body."
Its possible to be Pro-Life personally while being Pro-Choice which is what several people have said here.
Sure, you would never have an abortion, but what gives you the right to force your beliefs onto someone else? Thats basically all you are doing.
I, personally, would never want my wife to have an abortion. But I also recognize her right and every other person's right to do with their body as they please.
Basically this, except two things:
1) This form of "pro-life" is actually exactly what pro-choice is (nobody likes abortion, people!).
2) And the only people that can actually state this are those incapable of bearing children, for whom the decision doesn't matter anyways, etc. etc.
Ultimately, it is the decision of the person carrying the child. There's only one person carrying that baby to term, not two. But, because it is never a decision to be taken lightly, despite what antichoicers may believe some think, discussion will usually occur anyways.
Leonlionheart, I thought you were done. We don't need another straw-man. Nobody said the child and the person carrying it are the same individual.
I was, then I googled some stuff out of interest.
Not the same individual, not the same body, therefore not part of the mother's body. Just because there's a tapeworm in your intestine, doesn't make it part of your body.
I mean, obviously if a couple decides to have a baby and, after getting pregnant, the person decides they want an abortion, they are very well in the realm of being a manipulative ***, but it is still their right.
Basically, conceiving a child is the decision of someone with sperm and someone with an egg. Carry a child is the decision of someone with a uterus to do so.
Obviously you aren't going to change your mind but you give to much power to the woman.
Its just like in legal battles for custody of a child. No matter how bad the woman is as a mother, the courts will almost always side with the mother. For some reason, we as a society always think a child is more of the mothers then the fathers.
That really doesnt make sense since you would think the women who is making the decision to conceive would also understand they would have to carry, lol.
Nope, it's not. At some point in the pregnancy, the child becomes in some way or another, lucid. So it's the child's decision whether or not he wants to live and be born, to some extent (not that it would know better, because at this point all of these actions appear to be instinct).
Same site that I posted earlier:
"9) Sir Albert Lilley (the "Father of Fetology") made this observation in a 1970 speech entitled "The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?"
Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.... It is the embryo who stops his mother's periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself. He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus. And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated."
To clarify, I wouldn't say that the person shouldn't get a voice in deciding what happens, but ultimately it wouldn't be their decision if they are not the one carrying the child. These sorts of situations almost never occur though, so devoting too much attention to this sort of situation is quite unbefitting.
That really doesnt make sense since you would think the women who is making the decision to conceive would also understand they would have to carry, lol.
Complications occur. As stated above, this sort of thing isn't at all to be considered the norm. Abortion is never a quick decision. It is thought out, it is planned..
Nope, it's not. At some point in the pregnancy, the child becomes in some way or another, lucid. So it's the child's decision whether or not he wants to live and be born, to some extent (not that it would know better, because at this point all of these actions appear to be instinct).
Same site that I posted earlier:
"9) Sir Albert Lilley (the "Father of Fetology") made this observation in a 1970 speech entitled "The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?"
Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.... It is the embryo who stops his mother's periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself. He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus. And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated."
That's great. If you personally would never want your g/f or wife to have an abortion, that's awesome. Still doesn't give you a right to tell others what to do with their lives.
Nope, it's not. At some point in the pregnancy, the child becomes in some way or another, lucid. So it's the child's decision whether or not he wants to live and be born, to some extent (not that it would know better, because at this point all of these actions appear to be instinct).
Same site that I posted earlier:
"9) Sir Albert Lilley (the "Father of Fetology") made this observation in a 1970 speech entitled "The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?"
Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.... It is the embryo who stops his mother's periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself. He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus. And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated."
That's great. If you personally would never want your g/f or wife to have an abortion, that's awesome. Still doesn't give you a right to tell others what to do with their lives.
Except when their actions cause fatal harm to another human being's life
Nope, it's not. At some point in the pregnancy, the child becomes in some way or another, lucid. So it's the child's decision whether or not he wants to live and be born, to some extent (not that it would know better, because at this point all of these actions appear to be instinct).
Same site that I posted earlier:
"9) Sir Albert Lilley (the "Father of Fetology") made this observation in a 1970 speech entitled "The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?"
Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.... It is the embryo who stops his mother's periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself. He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus. And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated."
That's great. If you personally would never want your g/f or wife to have an abortion, that's awesome. Still doesn't give you a right to tell others what to do with their lives.
Except when their actions cause fatal harm to another human being's life
No. NOTHING gives you the right to tell people what they can and can't do with their lives.
You do not have the right to control someones life, sorry.
Nope, it's not. At some point in the pregnancy, the child becomes in some way or another, lucid. So it's the child's decision whether or not he wants to live and be born, to some extent (not that it would know better, because at this point all of these actions appear to be instinct).
Same site that I posted earlier:
"9) Sir Albert Lilley (the "Father of Fetology") made this observation in a 1970 speech entitled "The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?"
Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.... It is the embryo who stops his mother's periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself. He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus. And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated."
That's great. If you personally would never want your g/f or wife to have an abortion, that's awesome. Still doesn't give you a right to tell others what to do with their lives.
Except when their actions cause fatal harm to another human being's life
No. NOTHING gives you the right to tell people what they can and can't do with their lives.
You do not have the right to control someones life, sorry.
Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage (1) can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.... It is the embryo who stops his mother's periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself (2). He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus (3). And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated (4)."
1) Zygote.
2) Personifying a bodily function to a minimally functioning organism does not make it so.
3) See 2.
4) Have you heard of forced labor? What about CPD?
Nope, it's not. At some point in the pregnancy, the child becomes in some way or another, lucid. So it's the child's decision whether or not he wants to live and be born, to some extent (not that it would know better, because at this point all of these actions appear to be instinct).
Same site that I posted earlier:
"9) Sir Albert Lilley (the "Father of Fetology") made this observation in a 1970 speech entitled "The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?"
Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.... It is the embryo who stops his mother's periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself. He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus. And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated."
That's great. If you personally would never want your g/f or wife to have an abortion, that's awesome. Still doesn't give you a right to tell others what to do with their lives.
Except when their actions cause fatal harm to another human being's life
No. NOTHING gives you the right to tell people what they can and can't do with their lives.
You do not have the right to control someones life, sorry.
K gonna go on letting my neighbor kill his family
not gonna butt into his life
Good it has absolutely nothing to do with you it is their choice.
