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Cerberus.Taint said: » Actually you can make it work just fine. You want 3.30 rounds per WS or lower. Kaiten Sets 3.26 rounds per WS Shoha Sets 3.27 rounds per WS 11.1 * 1.87 = 20.7 20.7 * 4 = 82.8 11.1 * 1.56 = 17.3 82.8 + 17.3 = 100.1 Also, can I have a link to the Usukane +1 partial set bonus testing? Sounds too good to be true, but I hope it is!
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Carbuncle.Pwnzone said: » The set I put up right before that has Duplus using Hagneia and Misuuchi, gives you +43 STP and 26% Haste. It should be enough for 5-hit. They both work fine though in terms of getting capped haste and 5-hit, I would just rather keep Pole/Duplus over Rose for WS purposes. Edit: Are you going to need Rose using the set I showed? I'm far too tired to do the math atm @.@
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Phoenix.Icemn said: » The set I put up right before that has Duplus using Hagneia and Misuuchi, gives you +43 STP and 26% Haste. It should be enough for 5-hit. They both work fine though in terms of getting capped haste and 5-hit, I would just rather keep Pole/Duplus over Rose for WS purposes. Edit: Are you going to need Rose using the set I showed? I'm far too tired to do the math atm @.@
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Playing with Fudo sets and yeah should use Rose. Maybe even 6hit after Fudo, 5hit after Shoha (if you wanna make Duplus work)...if I have time I'll math it out.
Phoenix.Sehachan said: » Phoenix.Icemn said: » The set I put up right before that has Duplus using Hagneia and Misuuchi, gives you +43 STP and 26% Haste. It should be enough for 5-hit. They both work fine though in terms of getting capped haste and 5-hit, I would just rather keep Pole/Duplus over Rose for WS purposes. Edit: Are you going to need Rose using the set I showed? I'm far too tired to do the math atm @.@ Yes, I know, that's what I was asking in my edit. I haven't slept in over 18 hours lol. Too tired to try to figure it out on my own, I'll mess up somewhere and come out with like 28 TP after the first WS swing(Joking). edit: and I now realize that I worded my first edit poorly, I blame lack of sleep for that as well. Soboro?
 Might want to consider Murasamemaru maybe. So with the partial set bonus, going off the link to testing above, how about something like this for TP?
25% haste but more DA than Tenryu Hands.
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Shiva.Paulu said: » So with the partial set bonus, going off the link to testing above, how about something like this for TP? 25% haste but more DA than Tenryu Hands. Also more acc and counter. Really really like the look of this set but to be effective really need phos +1 =/ anything lower and it's back to 24% =( Shiva.Paulu said: » So with the partial set bonus, going off the link to testing above, how about something like this for TP? 25% haste but more DA than Tenryu Hands. In that set you should use Pole/Duplus. You still maintain 5-hit with Kaiten, and 5-hit with Shoha. Using Rajas/Brutal/Tenryu Hakama+1 for Shoha will maintain 5-hit - even if only 1 hit lands. Using a 2nd Pyrosoul instead of Rajas will keep 5-hit aswell, but rely on Shoha to land 2 hits. Does Kaitens STP AM affect the initial ws to activate it too?
You make the assumption that Tenryu Hakama +1 are actually crafted on Shiva. So that can't be factored into my set yet.
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: » Does Kaitens STP AM affect the initial ws to activate it too? Yes, 7 STP. Hmm so also depending on the potency of the haste set bonus the you might be able to include the somen +1 in there and keep rose.
Shiva.Paulu said: » You make the assumption that Tenryu Hakama +1 are actually crafted on Shiva. So that can't be factored into my set yet. I assumed you were talking about possible new optimized 5-hit sets since you put Phos+1 in there. Don't need Tenryu Hakama+1 to make that set work. It's just optimal obviously. However you rely on 2 hits from Shoha to land to maintain 5-hit with Pole/Duplus assuming you WS in Rajas/Brutal. From there you need additional 6 STP during WS if you want to maintain 5-hit relying on only landing 1 hit on Shoha. That does make sense. My original post was over tping. I actually do own a phos +1 which I feel is much easier to find than someone with 110 leather, at least here. I've yet to see a single Hakama that wasn't shipped over from another server.
I'm hoping the set bonus gives enough haste to leave in rose for somen +1 while using the usu feet and hands. If not I'll most likely use zelus and duplus. Using the spread sheet, I can't find any combo that beats this:
Works for Kaiten and Shoha (need to WS in 16stp for Shoha) I haven't worked in Namas yet, if its even worth it. Saotome Sune-ate +2 work. I originally thought dropping 1 STP would lower your WS return further than .1 TP but I guess not.
Ramuh.Austar said: » Unkai+2 legs work fine and don't hurt DPS too much. Also don't need Phos+1 (which good because I'm about 0/20 ><) I'm 47 Rituals in and absolutely hate BR already. My sets are for Fudo, probably better off with Ogier's/Saotome +2.
And I have +1, so why not use it? Ramuh.Austar said: » My sets are for Fudo, probably better off with Ogier's/Saotome +2. And I have +1, so why not use it? Sell it and make 60mil? IDK lol Also with capped magic haste/hasso can swap to Phasmida for stuff like Legion. Cerberus.Taint said: » Using the spread sheet, I can't find any combo that beats this: Works for Kaiten and Shoha (need to WS in 16stp for Shoha) I haven't worked in Namas yet, if its even worth it. 1.83 * 11.1 = 20.3 20.3 * 4 = 81.2 Shoha: (Rajas, Brutal, AF2+2 Feet, Tenryu Hakama +1= 17 STP) 1.57 * 11.1 = 17.4 Have to WS in +20 STP for Shoha to make that work. Which would starting to affect WS set way too much. And you rely on 2 hits from Shoha to land to maintain 5-hit. Using Rose with that set would allow swapping to something like Potestas/Atheling for +32 ATK Kaiten AM active, and able to use better Shoha pieces like Omo sunate instead of AF2+2 feet (you make up for the loss of 3 DA here vs WS in Duplus), and a 2nd Pyrosoul (rely on 2 hits from Shoha to land to maintain 5-hit if not using Rajas). No, you only need 16 in WS for both hits.
81.2 + 17.3 + 1.5 = 100
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Shoha is a 2hit WS and the WS sets stack DA/QA. Very safe to assume atleast 2 hits are landing.
TPing in 43stp and WSing in 16-29stp puts me at 3.27 rounds per WS. 30stp during WS takes it to 3.26. WSing in 15stp takes it to 3.63. So the 16 in stp is correct. Odin.Registry said: » Asura.Psubond said: » is that optimal set for DOT with ws or is that optimal set for spike omgwtf damage every now and then for shoha? I'm still on vacation for the next day (I can't sleep ;---;) so I don't have a spreadsheet handy and can't tell you if they're actually optimal. But, normally when someone says optimal they mean highest average damage. When accuacy's capped with Shoha, you should be using Windbuffet Belt and Ganesha's Mala because they'll net you the highest average damage. I'm guessing that's mainly what you were questioning. yup, exactly what i'm asking. curious to see answer Ramuh.Austar said: » No, you only need 16 in WS for both hits. 81.2 + 17.3 + 1.5 = 100 Right, forgot 2nd hit is 1.5, thanks. Cerberus.Taint said: » Shoha is a 2hit WS and the WS sets stack DA/QA. Very safe to assume atleast 2 hits are landing. I'm well aware of Shoha being a native 2-hit WS. I made a mistake by calculating 2nd hit as +1 STP instead of 1.5 STP. My sets are based on 2 hits landing aswell so I agree with you there. I still think that the downgrades in shoha set using duplus instead of rose strap in situations with no regain, is not worth it. I'll check spreadsheets myself when I get back from holiday. |
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