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 Fenrir.Pirinolon
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2012-01-09 14:57:11  




Hello, looking for some advice on gear sets for TP, Kaiten and Namas.
this is what i'm currently using
Thanks in advance
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2012-01-09 17:30:08  
i cant figure out how to link my item sets :(
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-09 17:32:14  
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-01-09 17:34:31  


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 Fenrir.Pirinolon
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2012-01-09 17:54:24  

TP


Kaiten


Namas

Ok, hope this works XD

Well what u guys think about my current sets, i'd really apreciate if u suggest me some upgrades and why. Thank you
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-01-09 18:19:17  
Aim for Mekira-oto (+1) and Avant Mail +1 until you get Ace's mail for your kaiten set.

You also might want to heavily consider going 5/5 on Tachi: Shoha
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-01-09 18:20:57  
For Kaiten Avant+1/Ace's/Byrnie+1 come to mind.

For Namas I am thinking Twilight Mail or whatever that +1 Ranged Attack/AGI body is called.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-01-09 19:54:55  
Byrnie +1 is dead for SAM :/
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-10 11:20:21  
TP - Hasso


TP - No Hasso


Fudo - Should be the same as Kaiten or very similar


Namas


Shoha


Shura Head has WSdmg3% SCdmg3% Att6
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2012-01-10 11:39:56  
So an augmented Kabuto beats Mekira +1? I've been wondering this but haven't seen anyone talk about it.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-10 15:06:38  
Yes it does.
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2012-01-10 17:40:02  
Oh really that's awesome cause i can augment it myself, do you have any math backing that up? just to see how much of a diff between mekira+1 and kabuto+1
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-10 18:18:35  
Fenrir.Pirinolon said: »
Oh really that's awesome cause i can augment it myself, do you have any math backing that up? just to see how much of a diff between mekira+1 and kabuto+1


How would you like it mathed? I math all my gear/sets with DPS and a basic spread sheet i made.

Edit: There are times where Mekira+1 does pull ahead, like when the Att is being used for Fudo/Kaiten.

Ideally you would have both, but with Temps in VW and mainly spamming Shoha on harder mobs Shura comes out ahead slightly.

Shoha - Fodder
2615 2613

Shoha - Qilin
2208 2206

Fudo - Fodder
2834 2809

Fudo - Qilin
1849 1921
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 Fenrir.Pirinolon
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2012-01-10 18:22:31  
Sure that'd work beautiflly
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-01-14 02:58:05  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
TP - Hasso
According to my calculator, this is a 6-hit (at least for 1-hit WS, such as Fudo), unless I've overlooked something several times. :/

Edit: Nvm, Ikishoten merits. >_<
Is that actually, reliably better? You're not too much short for a 5-hit either.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-01-14 02:59:53  
Carbuncle.Grandthief said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
TP - Hasso
According to my calculator, this is a 6-hit (at least for 1-hit WS, such as Fudo), unless I've overlooked something several times. :/

store tp merits and job trait? (not counting Ikishoten hits for 5hit)
That set is 20.8 tp a hit. You just need 16.8tp return on your WS (grip +8 more sTP)
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-01-14 03:08:31  
Erm, watch the original post. There is Unkai back in the hasso set and in the quote there is the STP back suddenly..
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-01-14 03:11:42  
I always assumed it was the sTP back lol
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-01-14 03:13:29  
Lol. I didn't even pay attention, since I've assumed it's to be a full Zanshin set..

Well, it's weird anyway. If STP is intended, it's all good.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-14 08:40:17  
Carbuncle.Grandthief said: »
Lol. I didn't even pay attention, since I've assumed it's to be a full Zanshin set.. Well, it's weird anyway. If STP is intended, it's all good.


Yeah was supposed to be Misuu I fixed it.

I was playing with 2hit VW builds and had to put everything back, forgot to change Misuu because it looks the same as Unkai and I was rushing.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-01-16 08:49:30  
taint, would you be a dear and math out how shura surpasses mekira in some situations? my LS doesnt seem to believe in anything outside eyeballing things, and could use definitive evidence.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-16 10:06:51  
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
taint, would you be a dear and math out how shura surpasses mekira in some situations? my LS doesnt seem to believe in anything outside eyeballing things, and could use definitive evidence.


Just quick math

Shura+1
114 - damage

20 - fSTR

214 - STR
100 - Mod (5/5)
0.85 - Alpha

181.9 - WSC

2.575 - fTP

2.25 - pDIF


1830.245625


103% - Shura+1 WD3%


1885.152994

119% - Overwelm

2243.332063


Mekira+1

114

20

224
100
0.85

190.4

2.575

2.25


1879.4925


100%


1879.4925

119%

2236.596075
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-01-16 11:06:37  
Cerberus.Taint said: »

Just quick math

Shura+1
114 - damage

20 - fSTR

214 - STR
100 - Mod (5/5)
0.85 - Alpha

181.9 - WSC

2.575 - fTP

2.25 - pDIF


1830.245625


103% - Shura+1 WD3%


1885.152994

119% - Overwelm

2243.332063


Mekira+1

114

20

224
100
0.85

190.4

2.575

2.25


1879.4925


100%


1879.4925

119%

2236.596075

Great info. Just curious Taint; would Shura+1 be optimal when zerk is down aswell for Shoha?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-16 11:09:47  
Odin.Zelphes said: »

Mekira+1 pulls ahead when pDIF isn't capped, so zerk down on tier6 VW mobs it prob pulls ahead slightly. (40% att bonus favors Shura)

At the end of the day its very close but Shura is slightly better in most situations and its a ton cheaper. I have less then 2mil in my Shura+1 and that includes buying sky pops, cursed -1 and tatters.
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2012-01-16 11:31:55  
1/18 on the Abj. for my MNK... 2.5mil for the -1, 3mil plus in tatters, and all I have is ws damage +3%... I think my main will be sticking with Mekira +1 for a while haha.
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By Asura.Ccl 2012-01-16 11:35:03  
So ws damage from gear and overwhelm are 2 separate term into the damage calculation ? *1.03 and *1.19 instead of *1.22 at the end ?

What about relic boost on ws damage for kaiten, is it separate too ?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-16 12:39:03  
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
1/18 on the Abj. for my MNK... 2.5mil for the -1, 3mil plus in tatters, and all I have is ws damage +3%... I think my main will be sticking with Mekira +1 for a while haha.


Lucky may Vary?

I paid 400k for my Sieryu pop, 1.2mil for the -1 and spent 500k on tatters but only used 9/62.

Yes WSdamage and OW are seperate.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2012-01-16 13:21:43  
There was a post on BG that describes the effects of "Elemental effect on day" adding a certain amount of fTP to a WS matching the corresponding day of the week. As shoha is Fragmentation/Compression, it will enhance the FTP to the same amount as an elemental gorget/Belt on Windsday, Darksday, and Lightningsday. Mekira should win on those days.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108199-Random-Facts-Thread-Other?p=4979350&highlight=Mekira-oto+%2B1#post4979350

The damage is so similar, it isn't worth killing yourself for either one. I personally use Mekira +1 because of re-sellability,, horrible luck with synergy, less instances of -HP gear, and not needing to swap to something else for weaker mobs.

Also Taint, you have light gorget listed on your shoha set. (Shouldn't it be breeze, shadow, or thunder?).
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