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 Odin.Jassik
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-08 12:20:32
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
What exactly were you even trying to test? Because it adds up to 100. 20.8 TP per hit 16.8 from WS 20.8 * 4 = 83.2, 83.2 + 16.8 = 100.

Mathing it out isn't 100% foolproof, as my brainfart a few pages back proves. I can see the want to test it in the real world.

and ya, using a setup like taint showed is pretty simple even without spellcast, I ran my RDM macros like that for a long time, 2 step macros, I'd just use the oposite pallate for the change.

so like CNTRL 1, 1, 1 = enhancing gear
CNTRL 1, 1, 1 back to idle
or CNTRL 1, ATL 1, 1 back to TP gear

its a pain, but doable.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-12-08 12:24:00
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
What exactly were you even trying to test? Because it adds up to 100.

20.8 TP per hit
16.8 from WS

20.8 * 4 = 83.2, 83.2 + 16.8 = 100.

Odin.Zelphes said: »
Using Atheling+Mars
1.87*11.1 = 20.757
20.757*4 = 83.028

Total = 83.028+17.095 = 100.123~100.1

I see what I did wrong. I was short of 1 STP in my calculations.

All that testing for nothing /sigh
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-12-08 12:34:45
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Mathing it out isn't 100% foolproof, as my brainfart a few pages back proves. I can see the want to test it in the real world.

Actually the math is right, usually a human error that causes it to not math out.

It was simply

1.88 * 11.1 = 20.8
20.8 * 4 = 83.2

Kaiten AM adds 0.7 STP during WS for calculation.

1.52 * 11.1 = 16.8
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-08 12:40:59
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Odin.Zelphes said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Mathing it out isn't 100% foolproof, as my brainfart a few pages back proves. I can see the want to test it in the real world.
Actually the math is right, usually a human error that causes it to not math out. It was simply 1.88 * 11.1 = 20.8 20.8 * 4 = 83.2 Kaiten AM adds 0.7 STP during WS for calculation. 1.52 * 11.1 = 16.8

hence the remark about my brain... And get your mule a decent refresh body >.>
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-12-08 12:45:26
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What's wrong with my mule!? It's rocking them +2 fresh bodies.
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-08 19:50:34
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She was idling in anhur this morning lol
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-12-08 23:37:50
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Odin.Jassik said: »
She was idling in anhur this morning lol
It's just my town-idle gear. Piece was such a *** to get so wanna flash it.
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By Ragnarok.Chronictreets 2012-12-14 08:34:40
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Has anyone checked out how the new usukane sune-ate +1 will change hit builds for sam? I'm probably gonna try to build a pair even if just for the extra acc and att. I'm just curious if it will open up any interesting builds with the 4 extra store tp. My first thought was just dropping misuuchi kapa for atheling or tryants for mars in low acc situations.
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-14 11:26:34
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Mars would be nice, but I'd like to see some possibilities, maybe tp in rancorous or atheling, or drop rose for duplus if you have tenryu legs for ws.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2012-12-18 10:49:31
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Bullwhip/Phos belt, Ace's Leggings, Rose Strap, Unkai Mimikazari.

Edit: Derp. Misuuchi also.
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-12-18 10:50:45
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You're really low on haste in that set. I suggest something closer to this.
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The belt doesn't have to be +1 but at least using bullwhip would be a larger improvement than the DA you're adding by removing haste.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-12-18 10:55:04
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Odin.Hiddenshadow said: »
i am currently working on tenryu gloves +1 but for now i am using brego in this set i get 20.5 tp a hit and i have plenty of double and quadruple attack so. here it is any suggestions welcome

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/282124


Seems like a confused build.

Capping haste is more important then going from a 6hit to a 5hit.

Do you have a Rose strap? If not I would focus on just 6hitting.

What kind of content? Letalis mantle would be a pretty extreme ACC piece for anything but Mul Legion mobs.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-18 12:27:35
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You can 5 hit without a Rose now if you get usukane +1 boots. Small loss in WS damage by using hagneia, though.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-12-18 12:29:26
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
You can 5 hit without a Rose now if you get usukane +1 boots. Small loss in WS damage by using hagneia, though.


Yeah looking forward to playing with builds once I have Usu feet +1. Not sure if I'll drop Rose or Missu.
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-18 12:32:04
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
You can 5 hit without a Rose now if you get usukane +1 boots. Small loss in WS damage by using hagneia, though.

5-hit capped haste without rose had been doable for a while, i assume you meant with Mala.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-18 12:32:57
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Well I have tenryu +1 for WS, so not 100% sure. Probably drop missuchi for rose, and keep ammo and feet slot for WS if you do that. Also allows you freedom for letalis if acc is needed.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-18 12:34:10
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
You can 5 hit without a Rose now if you get usukane +1 boots. Small loss in WS damage by using hagneia, though.

5-hit capped haste without rose had been doable for a while, i assume you meant with Mala.
duh? i'm sorry but if you didn't have a rose strap you were gimp.
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By Odin.Jassik 2012-12-18 12:35:25
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
You can 5 hit without a Rose now if you get usukane +1 boots. Small loss in WS damage by using hagneia, though.

5-hit capped haste without rose had been doable for a while, i assume you meant with Mala.
duh? i'm sorry but if you didn't have a rose strap you were gimp.

You just made a lot if people retrace, lol
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-12-18 13:01:52
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Well I have tenryu +1 for WS, so not 100% sure. Probably drop missuchi for rose, and keep ammo and feet slot for WS if you do that. Also allows you freedom for letalis if acc is needed.


I use Amano/Yoichi, which opens up some freedom as well. AM stp, Shoha 2hits and Namas being 20tp+ return. I have 3 different TP sets depending on the WS I use. I'll play around with some sets and post them. I'm 2nd in line for Usu feet so it'll be next week until I have them.
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By Lakshmi.Toxicityy 2012-12-25 23:03:28
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new optimal sets?

Shoha
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Fudo
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By Phoenix.Icemn 2012-12-26 00:41:13
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Omo feet would be good for Fudo as well, 5 attack for 3% DA is pretty good imo.
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By Asura.Psubond 2012-12-27 04:27:33
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Lakshmi.Toxicityy said: »
new optimal sets?

Shoha
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Fudo
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is that optimal set for DOT with ws or is that optimal set for spike omgwtf damage every now and then for shoha?
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By Odin.Registry 2012-12-27 04:34:21
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Asura.Psubond said: »
is that optimal set for DOT with ws or is that optimal set for spike omgwtf damage every now and then for shoha?

I'm still on vacation for the next day (I can't sleep ;---;) so I don't have a spreadsheet handy and can't tell you if they're actually optimal.

But, normally when someone says optimal they mean highest average damage.

When accuacy's capped with Shoha, you should be using Windbuffet Belt and Ganesha's Mala because they'll net you the highest average damage. I'm guessing that's mainly what you were questioning.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-27 05:28:30
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Btw, Usukane+1 has partial set effect, so you get +3% haste from 2 pieces. So head+1 and Feet+1 might be dope as hell considering the DA on the head is 4% or some jazz, if you can manage to now drop the STP from the head slot.
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By Odin.Registry 2012-12-27 06:06:04
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Pretty sure that'd only work with Koga sets.

(again, off the top of my head, I'll double check when I have my computer tomorrow lol)
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By Phoenix.Icemn 2012-12-27 06:37:42
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I think this would be better if someone wants to run it through the spreadsheet.
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By Lakshmi.Toxicityy 2012-12-27 07:29:02
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or this if my half asleep stp calculation are right >_>
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an 26%haste if set bonus is 3% for 2x pieces
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2012-12-27 07:48:07
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Lakshmi.Toxicityy said: »
or this if my half asleep stp calculation are right >_>
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an 26%haste if set bonus is 3% for 2x pieces

Dayum Hagneia! Why you gotta be 1sTP short from letting people use their Duplus/Pole grip
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-12-27 08:26:08
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Actually you can make it work just fine. You want 3.30 rounds per WS or lower.

Kaiten Sets 3.26 rounds per WS
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Shoha Sets 3.27 rounds per WS
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