Hello, I haven't played sam for quite a while now and quite out of touch where it is concerned. I have used the FFXIcalculator and I think I have found a set that is available to me. If possible can number whiz double check. I'm not looking for the BEST sets just a 5 hit with fudo/shoha.
I have 5/5 STP merits.
TP
WS
Any advice would greatly be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Sam Gear Lvl 99
Sam gear lvl 99
AF3+2 legs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phorcys, no contest there.
Drop goading and use Phos+1 > Phos > Bullwhip
Get a rose strap and missushi (sp) mantle.
Drop goading and use Phos+1 > Phos > Bullwhip
Get a rose strap and missushi (sp) mantle.
With capped magic haste, using hasso and getting haste samba, Phorcys would be better? or no?
But how often do you have someone /dnc or DNC in your pt? :/
Could they also be useful if you're using seigan?
But how often do you have someone /dnc or DNC in your pt? :/
Could they also be useful if you're using seigan?
Thank you for the elitist advice /bow. Not what I was exactly looking for because I'm thinking that is an optimum set. I don't want to nor will I ever get rose strap or spend 20M+ on a belt. Again I don't want the BEST set just a simple 5 hit with fudo/shoha.
Rose strap takes like 20 minutes every 5 days (or longer, if you wish.)
What servers are phos 20m on? Bullwhip is free.
Not elitist advice, simple stuff to get, considering you already have the NNI gear that you need.
What servers are phos 20m on? Bullwhip is free.
Not elitist advice, simple stuff to get, considering you already have the NNI gear that you need.
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That's not even optimum, that's just reasonably obtainable. NQ phos is about 5-6M depending on server, and I don't understand why people don't want to get a rose strap. It's not even that hard, and the sooner you start on it the sooner you'll get one.
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rose strap is all about time... the effort involved is nonexistent. you could afk on 1 campaign mob and have enough rank up points when you get back these days
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
With capped magic haste, using hasso and getting haste samba, Phorcys would be better? or no?
But how often do you have someone /dnc or DNC in you pt :/
Could they also be useful if you're using seigan?
But how often do you have someone /dnc or DNC in you pt :/
Could they also be useful if you're using seigan?
They changed the Hasso enhancement to JA haste from Magic haste, so Unkai Haidate+2 should be in your set regardless.
What the above posters mentioned are cheap/easy upgrades (Rose Strap/Bullwhip Belt) for functional 5-hit/25% haste TP sets.
You may wanna grab Prosilio belt and Justicer's Torcque for your Fudo WS set. It's a good catch-all combo for any ATK-setting.
Odin.Zelphes said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
With capped magic haste, using hasso and getting haste samba, Phorcys would be better? or no?
But how often do you have someone /dnc or DNC in you pt :/
Could they also be useful if you're using seigan?
But how often do you have someone /dnc or DNC in you pt :/
Could they also be useful if you're using seigan?
They changed the Hasso enhancement to JA haste from Magic haste, so Unkai Haidate+2 should be in your set regardless.
What the above posters mentioned are cheap/easy upgrades (Rose Strap/Bullwhip Belt) for functional 5-hit/25% haste TP sets.
You may wanna grab Prosilio belt and Justicer's Torcque for your Fudo WS set. It's a good catch-all combo for any ATK-setting.
I'm aware of it not being magic haste, but there is still a total delay reduction cap. There can be situations, like I mentioned, that you cap total delay reduction and the JA haste from af3+2 legs won't benefit you. Granted, I used a kind of rare situation that isn't very likely, I was just trying to find SOME possible use for phorcys legs over unkai, but haven't actually checked if the att/DEX would outweigh the STR in whatever situations, nor do I really care because I don't roll in the same PT with DNC and /dnc.
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
I'm aware of it not being magic haste, but there is still a total delay reduction cap. There can be situations, like I mentioned, that you cap total delay reduction and the JA haste from af3+2 legs won't benefit you. Granted, I used a kind of rare situation that isn't very likely, I was just trying to find SOME possible use for phorcys legs over unkai, but haven't actually checked if the att/DEX would outweigh the STR in whatever situations, nor do I really care because I don't roll in the same PT with DNC and /dnc.
How is this possible? If gear haste caps at 26 (25.5 or w/e), and magic haste caps at, what is it, 40? How do you come up with the other delay reduction other than the JA haste from hasso? Does other stuff count like Embrava but don't count towards the magic cap, even though it's a spell? Or Blitz roll? Yes serious question btw.. I haven't played on sam really under PD/Embrava situations and I thought you had to have some form of JA haste or DW to hit the floor.
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
I'm aware of it not being magic haste, but there is still a total delay reduction cap. There can be situations, like I mentioned, that you cap total delay reduction and the JA haste from af3+2 legs won't benefit you. Granted, I used a kind of rare situation that isn't very likely, I was just trying to find SOME possible use for phorcys legs over unkai, but haven't actually checked if the att/DEX would outweigh the STR in whatever situations, nor do I really care because I don't roll in the same PT with DNC and /dnc.
How is this possible? If gear haste caps at 26 (25.5 or w/e), and magic haste caps at, what is it, 40? How do you come up with the other delay reduction other than the JA haste from hasso? Does other stuff count like Embrava but don't count towards the magic cap, even though it's a spell? Or Blitz roll? Yes serious question btw.. I haven't played on sam really under PD/Embrava situations and I thought you had to have some form of JA haste or DW to hit the floor.
252 gear haste, 448 magic haste (Embrava+Haste), 127 JA haste (Hasso+AF3 legs) = 827/1024 = 80.7%
Just barely above delay reduction cap.
ok yeah no but that is what I'm getting at.. you NEED hasso's haste... Xenhas was trying to find a way to fit Phorcys into his build, and I thought that was impossible because you need Hasso's JA haste, no? I think you completely missed my question L
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Xenhas was trying to find a way to fit Phorcys into his build, and I thought that was impossible because you need Hasso's JA haste, no?
If I missed your question again try rephrasing it. Apologies.
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Xenhas was trying to find a way to fit Phorcys into his build, and I thought that was impossible because you need Hasso's JA haste, no?
*insert noreally.jpg* Seriously? lol Yes, I do.
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
In which case yeah you would need Haste Samba to cap delay reduction if you choose to not use AF3 legs.
THIS. That is what I was asking. You basically do need it, because then you'd be dependent of yet another job for more haste (the dancer), so in a zerg where you're getting embrava, you're more than likely to not have a dancer right? So phorcys still seems like a bad choice. Thank you.
I was trying to form a good response, but then I saw a hoard ring with your amano and got sad.
I'm sorry for throwing out a completely obscure situation involving a DNC or someone /dnc. I just feel all sorts of dirty right now, because hoard ring seems like a bad choice on top of other things. Thank you.
I'm sorry for throwing out a completely obscure situation involving a DNC or someone /dnc. I just feel all sorts of dirty right now, because hoard ring seems like a bad choice on top of other things. Thank you.
I really don't know how my personal gear choice matters whatsoever. Like I said, I don't do end-game stuff on sam where PD/Embrava is used anyways. Like I said are dncs or /dncs really that common in a zerg where you are getting embrava? I really wouldn't think so. ANYWAYS, keep on hating? I rarely play anyways. I was simply asking for clarity in case I do come back to actually participate in events.
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
I was trying to form a good response, but then I saw a hoard ring with your amano and got sad.
I'm sorry for throwing out a completely obscure situation involving a DNC or someone /dnc. I just feel all sorts of dirty right now, because hoard ring seems like a bad choice on top of other things. Thank you.
I'm sorry for throwing out a completely obscure situation involving a DNC or someone /dnc. I just feel all sorts of dirty right now, because hoard ring seems like a bad choice on top of other things. Thank you.
EL OH EL
but seriously you need af3+2 legs to hit delay- cap on samurai in most situations. which is why most sam's use af3+2 over other options still.
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
I really don't know how my personal gear choice matters whatsoever. Like I said, I don't do end-game stuff on sam where PD/Embrava is used anyways. Like I said are dncs or /dncs really that common in a zerg where you are getting embrava? I really wouldn't think so. ANYWAYS, keep on hating? I rarely play anyways. I was simply asking for clarity in case I do come back to actually participate in events.
You were sure as hell giving quite a lot of attitude in your posts considering you were "simply asking for clarity." Your personal gear choices were my form of attack on you, just as your arrogance was towards Llewelyn. Also, I'm not "hating," you're just wearing a ring that can easily be replaced on the AH considering you own a weapon worth over 100m
I would probably take this one person in my LS on DNC and stick them in the BRD pt over the majority of other DD on my server in a VWNM run. So that could be a situation where I could cap haste without AF3+2 legs off of the top of my head.
You could also be getting blitzer's roll and having a DNC and ride seigan for the counter rate! *** YEAH SILLY BUFFS IN OBSCURE SITUATIONS
(I should probably stop posting past 2am)
So you were white knighting for a guy that wasn't even offended...? OK carry on sir. I didn't personally attack you, so I'm not sure why you attacked me. /shrug. I really don't care to farm more dynamis to get a tyrant ring or a hag stone. I might, but really, I don't care at this point in time. Oh noes, I'm missing like 11 attack in the TP phase, but getting the same STP as tyrant ring. Anyways, carry on folks.
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
I'm aware of it not being magic haste, but there is still a total delay reduction cap. There can be situations, like I mentioned, that you cap total delay reduction and the JA haste from af3+2 legs won't benefit you. Granted, I used a kind of rare situation that isn't very likely, I was just trying to find SOME possible use for phorcys legs over unkai, but haven't actually checked if the att/DEX would outweigh the STR in whatever situations, nor do I really care because I don't roll in the same PT with DNC and /dnc.
Lets keep it simple and stick with Unkai Haidate+2~
I'm sure in those "few" situations you roll with a DNC or /DNC, and not atk capped, Phorcys could be better. But I for one don't roll with DNC like yourself.
Relying on a DNC or /DNC to cap delay reduction is such hassle eitherway.
edit: For some reason I read that as if you meant Hasso was magic haste. Regardless of that we seem to arrive at the same conclusion ;-)
Valefor.Neokenesis said: »
Thank you for the elitist advice /bow. Not what I was exactly looking for because I'm thinking that is an optimum set. I don't want to nor will I ever get rose strap or spend 20M+ on a belt. Again I don't want the BEST set just a simple 5 hit with fudo/shoha
mfw a guy posting sets including 4/5 phorcys accuses others of being elitist when they suggest rose strap and bullwhip belt
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Valefor.Neokenesis said: »
Thank you for the elitist advice /bow. Not what I was exactly looking for because I'm thinking that is an optimum set. I don't want to nor will I ever get rose strap or spend 20M+ on a belt. Again I don't want the BEST set just a simple 5 hit with fudo/shoha
mfw a guy posting sets including 4/5 phorcys accuses others of being elitist when they suggest rose strap and bullwhip belt
Unrelated to the topic, but related to your post:
YOU CAN'T SAY MFW AND NOT POST A PICTURE
Hi people, so i had a quick question about how Mustela Gloves compare to heafoc mits in terms of damage for Shoha slight diff or .... Thanks I was just wondering for times when ACC isn't capped.
Mustela even if accuracy is capped. And man I completely forgot about that show. :/
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Mustela even if accuracy is capped. And man I completely forgot about that show. :/
Thanks Don't Get Eliminated!!!
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Valefor.Neokenesis said: »
Thank you for the elitist advice /bow. Not what I was exactly looking for because I'm thinking that is an optimum set. I don't want to nor will I ever get rose strap or spend 20M+ on a belt. Again I don't want the BEST set just a simple 5 hit with fudo/shoha
avant-garde posting
Does anyone know the hit distribution of the Occ attacks 2-4 times magian katana? Want to play around with the numbers for some namas arrow sam builds.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Does anyone know the hit distribution of the Occ attacks 2-4 times magian katana? Want to play around with the numbers for some namas arrow sam builds.
40/30/20/10
Yoichi just doesn't seem worth it anymore for SAM unless you are WSing a piercing mob.
SAM gets TP extremely fast as is and the GKT WSs are too good now.
At 75 Namas (capped att) was better then any other GKT WS. Fudo/Shoha crapped on that Parade. If I could trade my Yoichi back in for coins I'd do it tomorrow.
Ya, I figured it hasn't been getting much attention for good reason. Against high level mobs it had promise if it weren't for the issue sam can't get enough ranged attack. It was decently close by my numbers, and I was debating if ws frequency would give it the advantage, but looking at thoe numbers, and knowing they are going to get devalued makes that seem unlikely.
Thanks very much for your time.
Thanks very much for your time.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
AF3+2 legs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phorcys, no contest there.
Drop goading and use Phos+1 > Phos > Bullwhip
Get a rose strap and missushi (sp) mantle.
Drop goading and use Phos+1 > Phos > Bullwhip
Get a rose strap and missushi (sp) mantle.
My build would be similar to this when i upgrade from kanto to masa, but isnt this overshooting 5hit by a bit or did i mess up/miss something?
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