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 Odin.Eikechi
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-05-07 18:28:19  
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
RDM and BLU can solo it pretty quick and without trouble, no way would a SAM survive in air. DNC can't do damage in air as well, so they get *** as well.

wait really? blu can solo that? you mind PMing me a strat?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-07 18:34:43  
pretty sure draylo did at 95 cap.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-07 18:42:55  
Was doable at 90, maybe 85 but that's a stretch. Far easier now at 99. It's a simple fight for BLU, I haven't got any experience with it on RDM however I would hazard a wager that BLU does it the fastest/most effectively.

Any job that isn't RDM or BLU I could not see soloing the fight.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-07 18:45:35  
pretty sure sch has also.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-05-07 18:46:46  
SCH can with 2hr, only real benefit of doing it on RDM over BLU would be added survivability in case you got bad luck on terror.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-05-07 19:12:55  
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
RDM and BLU can solo it pretty quick and without trouble, no way would a SAM survive in air. DNC can't do damage in air as well, so they get *** as well.

wait really? blu can solo that? you mind PMing me a strat?


It's much easier at 99.

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Was doable at 90, maybe 85 but that's a stretch.

You've done it at 90?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-05-07 23:18:20  
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Idk. There's no reason to ever use Apex Arrow, let alone on SAM.
if you're fighting something where you want to be out of range of something deadly, is it a decent weaponskill at least for that? or do older ones still beat it?

I cannot think of any content on which a Samurai would be useful where a Samurai wouldn't want to be at range...

PVP when you are trying to kill someone and they sprint away! >.<!!!
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2012-05-08 07:28:26  
ya,prolly im too in love whit sam/tng cuz i had fun whit it XD
so would stardiver make sense to merit? just thinking pretty bad @ redoing my merit ws
btw which are blu magic spell worth to use in fight like that tiny wyrm or in general?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-05-08 09:03:09  
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I can't think of a reason to use Archery on SAM unless you have a Yoichinoyumi and really want to lower your damage output in exchange for not pulling hate. Namas Arrow is the only Archery weaponskill in this day and age that I'd ever use on SAM, and even then, it would only be to play around.

This. I recently finished Yoichi, getting it to 95 today. Will probably invest the 100m or so in Marrows to take it to 99, but it's all because I love samurai and I like having my samurai toys. I care about that more than tricking out a different job's weapon past 90 that I'll never play with anyhow because there are people in my ls who generally prefer those jobs and end up on them all the time.

There is potential for Quint Spear + Namas spam on fodder mobs in various situations, but even then I'm pretty sure results may vary depending on the exact situation.

But really, I think when it comes down to a question of using Namas (or Apex Arrow) on samurai, the correct honesty reason, nine times out of ten, is “because I want to and can” and not “because it’s the best thing to use right now.”
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2012-05-08 12:40:08  
agree whit ramyrez 100% XD
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-08 13:07:21  
I want to use swords on RDM and be on the front lines
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-05-08 13:33:52  
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I want to use swords on RDM and be on the front lines

If you're doing it solo or in small groups who don't care that you're doing it, fine by me.

If you're doing it in VW or Legion or on Prov Watcher (or in a small group with me) not so fine.

I don't stand back blowing Namas Arrows while the mob's proc'ed in VW and I could be tearing its face off with Kaiten/Shoha just because I feel like using Namas. I use it quite sparingly in group settings.

There's a bit of common sense that needs to be applied. I realize not everyone is capable of doing this, but I'm also not here to try to teach those people how to do anything.

I'm just trying to give an honest appraisal of the situation.
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-05-08 13:45:16  
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I want to use swords on RDM and be on the front lines

Story time. So a few ls mates and I were spamming ZNMs for PW pops and I was on RDM. Everyone was too lazy to change jobs when we went for Armed Gears. When they started bitching about the pdt- the mob had I pulled out my Almace and Requiescated all over the place. Of course I mocked them how I had to DD, Tank, & Heal. Livin the RDM dream, 1 super situational mob at a time...
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-08 13:53:58  
This

Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I want to use swords on RDM and be on the front lines

If you're doing it solo or in small groups who don't care that you're doing it, fine by me.

If you're doing it in VW or Legion or on Prov Watcher (or in a small group with me) not so fine.

I don't stand back blowing Namas Arrows while the mob's proc'ed in VW and I could be tearing its face off with Kaiten/Shoha just because I feel like using Namas. I use it quite sparingly in group settings.

There's a bit of common sense that needs to be applied. I realize not everyone is capable of doing this, but I'm also not here to try to teach those people how to do anything.

I'm just trying to give an honest appraisal of the situation.

Does not jive with this

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But honestly, I think when it comes down to a question of using Namas (or Apex Arrow) on samurai, the correct reason, nine times out of ten, is “because I want to and can” and not “because it’s the best thing to use right now.”

Either you use Namas whenever you want and I melee on RDM whenever I want or the second quote is a complete and utter fallacy.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-05-08 13:58:16  
One useful situation for myself where I find Namas to be beneficial is actually in Dynamis.

Often times a mob with annoying TP moves wil be proc'ed and 15% or less HP, but I know it's going to un-stagger before I can melee it to death, so even though it's a bit overkill, I ws it to kill it anyhow so it doesn't wake up and annoy the hell out of me with its TP move.

In those instances I use Namas Arrow because it provides more TP than Kaiten or Shoha and gives me some more leeway for using other dancer JAs or getting an incidental swing in when in PDT gear, etc.

An awfully niche use, but just an example of one of those little situations where I find it useful.

More because I want it to be useful than out of any real need. But...either way, there it is.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-05-08 14:03:12  
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »

How do they not jive? The majority of the time where I use Namas for the hell of it, it has absolutely no effect on anyone else because I'm alone or in a group with friends where the difference being made is negligible.

Using Namas (or melee'ing on red mage, or whatever else) when you're by yourself and doing it just because you want to is self gratification that's not degrading anyone else's experience.

Doing it in a group setting is.

It's essentially masturbatory nerdgasming. Do it on your own where you're not bothering anyone else with it and stick to the straight and narrow in a group setting.

Edit: about all I could say different in hopes of making it more clear is that the last paragraph is not meant to endorse a "hey, do what you want, when you want!" behavior. It's just saying that "yes, you may do these things from time to time for your own enjoyment, but that's why you're doing them. It's certainly not always the best way to go about it." I will grant you that I worded that last bit poorly and I was going to edit it a little, but by then people had responded. Lemme get on that.
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2012-05-11 16:40:20  
I think someone asked already but I can't find it,...

What is Saotome Domaru +2 "Enhances 'Overwhelm' effect" like after the Save TP nerf?

It's a maximum of 5TP?
and does it count as Save TP or is it separate?

Thanks :) I still have my "hopes".
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By Sylph.Ballzack 2012-05-11 17:02:09  
Off topic but Pup can solo KS99 too!!! Rawr Pups in a Sanm thread What!!! Lol
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2012-05-11 23:09:15  
Phoenix.Eckeward said: »
I think someone asked already but I can't find it,...

What is Saotome Domaru +2 "Enhances 'Overwhelm' effect" like after the Save TP nerf?

It's a maximum of 5TP?
and does it count as Save TP or is it separate?

Thanks :) I still have my "hopes".

I did the testing here. It looks like it simply adds just an extra 5 TP to whatever your TP return would've been, whether your total Save TP is more or less than what your TP return from WS is. So yeah, it acts separately from Save TP.
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By Fenrir.Kommisar 2012-05-13 12:58:02  
I've been looking to regear my SAM as of recent, and I was wondering if these are acceptable sets,

TP:
Amano/Rose/x/Hagneia
Phorcys/Unkai/Unkai/Brutal
Ace's/Dusk +1/Tyrant's/Rajas
Kappa/Goading/Phorcys/Usukane

47 STP in tp set. I don't know what to do about the extra 3% haste, though.

WS:
Amano/Rose/x/Potestas
Shura +1/Gorget/STR/Brutal
Phorcys/Phorcys/STR/Rajas
Atheling/Prosilio/Avant +1/Unkai +2

10 STP in ws set.

Thoughts?

20.9/hit in TP phase and 16.7/hit in WS. I have capped STP merits etc.

Also, how would Augmented Saotome Domaru +2 do against Phorcys? I imagine not too well considering I get about 45 atk out of it.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-05-13 13:13:29  
Unkai +2 body and legs are must have Tp pieces
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-05-13 13:17:09  
phorcy head, unkai body, 4haste hands, unkai pants, ace's feet, bullwhip/phos belt, ganesha neck
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By Fenrir.Kommisar 2012-05-13 13:20:52  
Other than the GK Skill on the body, what makes it so much better than everything else? Same thing goes with the legs, legitimate questions, btw. I use the standard TP setup on my mule but I was wondering if it was possible to try something different.

@ Ganesha, I have that, but I read up that the 2% Quadruple Attack is basically useless and that you'll make more use of the Acc/STP/STR on Unkai.
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By Phoenix.Rizzspeed 2012-05-13 13:23:01  
i'm gonna go ahead and say Store TP.
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-05-13 13:25:50  
There is no use for the Saotome Damoaru +2 that I am aware of at the moment.
These are the current ideal sets to my knowledge.

437 delay TP set

Phos +1 when possible.
Edit: Tenryu +1 hands as well. I pushed those out of mind due to rarity :(

Shoha set
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-05-13 13:27:28  
Fenrir.Kommisar said: »
Other than the GK Skill on the body, what makes it so much better than everything else? Same thing goes with the legs, legitimate questions, btw. I use the standard TP setup on my mule but I was wondering if it was possible to try something different.

@ Ganesha, I have that, but I read up that the 2% Quadruple Attack is basically useless and that you'll make more use of the Acc/STP/STR on Unkai.

your forgetting about the enhance zanshin part on +2 body. gives +10% zanshin, which during zanhasso equates to about a 2.5% zanhasso proc increase. combine that with the stp and the accuracy on the body, its pretty tough to beat.

for the legs, the enhance hasso gives +2.5 JA haste. so if you can cap haste using af3+2 legs, and your also bringing an extra 2.5 JA haste while hasso is up. which is why those legs are pretty much perma for tp slot.

you can make a hasso up/down set if you really want to though.

-edited my mistake [typo]
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-05-13 13:28:30  
Yarrg beaten D:
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By Fenrir.Kommisar 2012-05-13 13:36:18  
By Hasso, I assume you mean Zanshin on the body. I was aware about the 2.5% haste on the legs, but I always thought they counted towards gear cap (or is JA/Gear the same? Too long for me to remember) But I see now, thanks.

Just in case anyone is curious:

18 atk, 11 acc, 13 str vs 1 stp/enhance effects is the difference between the two sets. Although I assume that atk/acc/str are all useless in comparison.

Thankfully I have all that gear except for the Domaru, so I'll probably work on that soon. I appreciate the help guys.

edit: Is there a set list for category 2 merits nowadays? Do people find Ikishoten useful now or what?
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-05-13 13:45:09  
My group 2's are 5/5 overwhelm, 4/5 iki and 1/5 blade bash. Hope that helps.
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By Ramuh.Kailana 2012-05-13 14:53:14  
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
This

Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I want to use swords on RDM and be on the front lines

If you're doing it solo or in small groups who don't care that you're doing it, fine by me.

If you're doing it in VW or Legion or on Prov Watcher (or in a small group with me) not so fine.

I don't stand back blowing Namas Arrows while the mob's proc'ed in VW and I could be tearing its face off with Kaiten/Shoha just because I feel like using Namas. I use it quite sparingly in group settings.

There's a bit of common sense that needs to be applied. I realize not everyone is capable of doing this, but I'm also not here to try to teach those people how to do anything.

I'm just trying to give an honest appraisal of the situation.

Does not jive with this

Quote:
But honestly, I think when it comes down to a question of using Namas (or Apex Arrow) on samurai, the correct reason, nine times out of ten, is “because I want to and can” and not “because it’s the best thing to use right now.”

Either you use Namas whenever you want and I melee on RDM whenever I want or the second quote is a complete and utter fallacy.

They do jive, if you put them in the context he was speaking of (not *** up other peoples ***and mostly when doing it with friends or solo)
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