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Striking flourish's Big Sister Ternary Flourish
By Darkzeru 2011-08-19 10:07:32
So it appears SE has given Dancer another JA to force a fold attack... Takaru said: The forthcoming version update will feature the following job-related adjustments and refinements:
New Job Abilities
Dancer
Ternary Flourish (Lv. 93)
Allows you to deliver a threefold attack. Requires at least three finishing moves.
Any thoughts on this?
While Striking Flourish was only twofold from what I've read it seems rather worthless.... How do you think Ternary Flourish will par?
What situation do you think it would be used?
Edit: Although I did post on Allakazham too I tend to get more reasonable responses on here about job specific things (even though I'm sure its probably all the same people)
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-08-19 10:09:40
The same ***I've said every time this topic has come up since they announced the possibility.
Without some kind of substantial enhancement beyond what the description says, this ability will never see any use by good players.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-08-19 10:11:16
I'm not even a DNC and I see how 50% rate of critting + the double attack from Striking demolishes this flourish.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-08-19 10:17:52
Striking Flourish is already useless, adding another attack doesn't suddenly make it better than Climactic.
Waste of development time.
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By Bahamut.Autobot 2011-08-19 11:23:54
Go Go one time triple attack!
Hey it could have been worse, they could have actually given us something that the player base suggested that was worth using. I just hope the animation is cool looking, that will make it worth using right? RIGHT?!?
There was a disclaimer at the bottom saying things were subject to change from now until the update, so maybe if enough people tell SE how completely worthless this will be maybe they will put it in flourish IV or make it just a job trait.
You know what situation i would use it in? Triple Attack > Wasp Sting. Triple the poison for the win.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-08-19 15:30:07
if i like that DAT i'll just switch the animation with one of my other flourishes, thats the only way it would be ever used for me.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-19 16:03:12
Why do they keep attempting to add more ways for dancers to do damage?
Can we focus on what the job is all about, and not pretend it's a DD please?
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-08-19 16:04:22
TA Rudras wouldn't be nice?
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By Lakshmi.Cesil 2011-08-19 16:07:48
Yup..I think also it will most likely be a waste sadly. I was hoping for a new dance or that TP ability thing they mentioned..oh welll :/
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-08-19 16:08:52
TA Rudras wouldn't be nice?
No.
TA on a WS isn't triple the damage, it basically just adds 2 normal hits to the end.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-19 16:10:11
Back to not even bothering with steps 75% of the time due to them slowing me down and just spamming the ***out of evisceration.
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By Carbuncle.Tweeek 2011-08-19 16:10:42
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »TA Rudras wouldn't be nice?
No.
TA on a WS isn't triple the damage, it basically just adds 2 normal hits to the end.
wat?
why do you think we (most jobs who can wear it) WS in Epona/Brutal?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-19 16:12:14
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »TA Rudras wouldn't be nice?
No.
TA on a WS isn't triple the damage, it basically just adds 2 normal hits to the end.
wat?
why do you think we (most jobs who can wear it) WS in Epona/Brutal? Because there isn't a piece of gear to force a crit on a WS?
That, and the fact at best, you'd get maybe 7 attack otherwise for DNC.
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By Carbuncle.Tweeek 2011-08-19 16:12:55
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »TA Rudras wouldn't be nice?
No.
TA on a WS isn't triple the damage, it basically just adds 2 normal hits to the end.
wat?
why do you think we (most jobs who can wear it) WS in Epona/Brutal? Because there isn't a piece of gear to force a crit on a WS?
Crits + TA (or DAs) make our WSs spike, not crit alone.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-08-19 16:13:19
Because there isn't a piece of gear to force a crit on a WS?
ya but TA still forces high dmg on a WS.. just look at..idk Warrior's Charge or Assassin's Charge....
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-19 16:14:42
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: »TA Rudras wouldn't be nice?
No.
TA on a WS isn't triple the damage, it basically just adds 2 normal hits to the end.
wat?
why do you think we (most jobs who can wear it) WS in Epona/Brutal? Because there isn't a piece of gear to force a crit on a WS?
Crits + TA (or DAs) make our WSs spike, not crit alone.
We're on the subject of Rudra's, which doesn't crit on it's own. So no. And most likely, the new flourish is going to share a recast with Climactic.
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By Carbuncle.Tweeek 2011-08-19 16:19:29
Quote:
Crits + TA (or DAs) make our WSs spike, not crit alone.
We're on the subject of Rudra's, which doesn't crit on it's own. So no. And most likely, the new flourish is going to share a recast with Climactic.
k now i understand, you need to use climatic for it to be worthwhile?
Asymptotic's comment seemed like a rather general statement about TA with a WS and confused me, my apologies.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-08-19 16:20:27
I should have been more clear with saying "non-crit WS" but yeah.
Each additional hit is probably adding somewhere between 150-200 dmg, compared to climactic which takes a 1.5k dmg ws and turns it into a 5k+ dmg ws (900 dmg ws into a 3k dmg ws outside)
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-19 16:21:25
Because there isn't a piece of gear to force a crit on a WS?
ya but TA still forces high dmg on a WS.. just look at..idk Warrior's Charge or Assassin's Charge....
Assasssin's charge is horrible :(
It only adds 2 hits to evis and DE, it's really good for rudras though.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-08-19 16:26:16
I think if you miss one of your hits and DA/TA procs, you can make up for that miss with multi-attacks.
In that case, there's about a 22% chance that Assasin's Charge will make up for a miss!
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-08-19 16:29:49
Because there isn't a piece of gear to force a crit on a WS?
ya but TA still forces high dmg on a WS.. just look at..idk Warrior's Charge or Assassin's Charge....
Assasssin's charge is horrible :(
It only adds 2 hits to evis and DE, it's really good for rudras though.
SA + A Charge + Mendalic stab is nice..just sayin... but thats off-topic, sorry lol
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2011-08-19 18:49:16
Wonder if they are adding Flourish IV with this ability. Would be extremely redundant to have a double attack and triple attack ability in the same category.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-19 18:52:08
Shiva.Alistrianna said: »Wonder if they are adding Flourish IV with this ability. Would be extremely redundant to have a double attack and triple attack ability in the same category. Less tp feed yo!
By Pooman 2011-08-19 19:03:14
Shiva.Alistrianna said: »Wonder if they are adding Flourish IV with this ability. Would be extremely redundant to have a double attack and triple attack ability in the same category.
"踊り子
フラリッシュIII：T.フラリッシュ Lv93
トリプルアタックが出る状態にする。フィニシングムーブが3つ必要。"
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The way it is now, it's in the Flourish III category.
So yeah...
The same ***I've said every time this topic has come up since they announced the possibility.
Without some kind of substantial enhancement beyond what the description says, this ability will never see any use by good players.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-08-19 19:05:05
It might be okay if it has the hidden effect of tripling the damage of all 3 hits :|
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-08-19 19:15:24
Why do they keep attempting to add more ways for dancers to do damage?
Can we focus on what the job is all about, and not pretend it's a DD please?
I should link that thread Niniann linked where you were going on about how at 75 DNC should DD and not heal at all. lol.
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-20 09:42:12
Why do they keep attempting to add more ways for dancers to do damage?
Can we focus on what the job is all about, and not pretend it's a DD please?
I should link that thread Niniann linked where you were going on about how at 75 DNC should DD and not heal at all. lol.
I'd like to know what exactly you THINK DNC is all about Kiaru? cause i highly doubt someone wants to solo as dnc and kill as slow as possible. which is where the dd aspect of it comes from.
Job timers? already been through that ***1 million times. so that's out. what else is there?
By mercure 2011-08-20 11:41:31
I also think SE should try and add things more "dancer-ish" like new sambas, new waltzes (Raise ?), new steps or even a new jig !
Adding a triple attack flourish III makes no sense imo. The buff on Climactic was spot on, but made Striking completely useless (longer timer, crit rate only 50% compared to forced crit).
Ternary seems to be just Striking+1, and seriously, I doubt people will waste FMs for this JA.
And of course, cap 95 and still no Regain ... maybe at 99 !
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2011-08-20 12:58:49
DNC will be getting tri-wield at level 99. INB4 Zorro dancers.
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2011-08-20 13:00:04
Why do they keep attempting to add more ways for dancers to do damage?
Can we focus on what the job is all about, and not pretend it's a DD please?
This is a troll attempt, right? If so, you're doing great!
So it appears SE has given Dancer another JA to force a fold attack... Takaru said: The forthcoming version update will feature the following job-related adjustments and refinements:
New Job Abilities
Dancer
Ternary Flourish (Lv. 93)
Allows you to deliver a threefold attack. Requires at least three finishing moves.
Any thoughts on this?
While Striking Flourish was only twofold from what I've read it seems rather worthless.... How do you think Ternary Flourish will par?
What situation do you think it would be used?
Edit: Although I did post on Allakazham too I tend to get more reasonable responses on here about job specific things (even though I'm sure its probably all the same people)
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