Good Npc'able Fishin Place

so, to review, you can't show what i'm doing is wrong, you can't show it hurts others

you are simply upset that i choose to do the easy way what you choose to do the hard way, even though the same option is readily available to you

or, boiled down, "people who don't play the game the way i personally feel it should be played"

be sure to scream at people who drive to work instead of walk, or who use tools instead of building everything by hand

Makes a world of difference.

how many hakyuryu can you catch in a day before fatigue

Game doesnt let me catch enough in a small period of time to let me fatigue.

Wish I could get lucky and get 1(0/500+ on each fish)

i'm not entirely sure what that means!

Just because other people "put in their time" doing stupid ***does not mean I have to waste mine in the same manner.

Get a fish bot, use it once. Be changed for life and have more free time. It is pretty win win.

I havent hit fatigue yet ._.
Most I've caught in a day was 160

i can live with that :o

12ish hours?

What if they were just a bunch of no lifes who'd fish for 10 hours a day? Would that make it better?

Of course, because they did it the hard way. Makes their pixels shine brighter.

of course.

spending literally more than half your waking hours pushing a directional arrow in opposition to an imaginary fish is the morally right thing to do.

your kids and family will be thankful that you make such productive use of your time

You're not "doing" anything, and that's the problem I have with it.

You can literally go AFK to make your gil with fishbotting. Every other method of gil-making I'm aware of requires some sort of player input.

You gotta turn on your bot and occasionally check for mistakes.

so, just to make sure i'm getting this right

fishing done manually eats up a huge portion of your time to make any significant gil

you feel i have an obligation to neglect huge portions of my life in favor of of pressing three buttons repeatedly so that i can acquire this imaginary currency

the fact that i don't neglect my friends and family to make it strikes you as wrong, and therefore you hate me, because i choose to bypass it in a way that not only doesn't hurt anyone, but benefits others

you feel this way despite the fact that square enix approves of and encourages my botting

pic related:

1) Quite easy to show it's wrong. It's against the rules of the game you are playing.

2) Quite easy to show it hurts other people. Purchasing power depends on not only how much gil one person has, but how much other's have. If I have 10,000,000 gil and everyone else has 100 gil I can buy as many Silverpieces as I want. If I have 10,000,000 gil and everyone else has 10,000,000 gil they got from fishbotting I can no longer buy as many as the price will rise to adjust for the new demand.


It really is that cut and dry. Of course no bot will ever change their mind. It's never wrong. It never effects other people. Ya, and the people that made money by npcing barone stuff during 05 didn't hurt anyone either. After all, they were only interacting with npcs right?

There has been a natural evolution in how bots respond to criticism. For a long time it was "I don't bot". Then it's "I bot but it doesn't hurt anyone". Then its "I bot because I care about one person's progress in the game- mine. And I really don't care if I have to cheat to do it". The HNM bots moved on to stage 3 years ago. Why won't fishbots just man up and say "I do it. It's wrong. I don't give a ***."

Or maybe if fishing doesn't suit you, you should just find alternative source of gil.

Am I getting wooshed?

I do it. It's wrong. I dont give a ***.

Will you leave me alone now? of course not.

Seeing as how that was my first post on fishbotting in like 6 years....yeah I probably will.

You is different.

well, let's get something straight. i don't give a ***. i do plenty of things that aren't fishbotting that ARE wrong, and i have no problem admitting it.

now. to reestablish why npc fishbotting isn't wrong. it's against the rules of the game? so just because someone makes a rule, you have a moral obligation to follow it? when stalin made a law where you had to turn in family members that disagreed with him, was it morally wrong to break that law?

blindly following rules is very low level thinking. you have to consider the source. in this case, the source is a corporation, that has structured its game to eat up your time and foster addiction to their product. am i morally obligated to follow rules from that source? nope!

inflation. yes. i forgot, over the past few years, inflation has been the bane of xi, just like ffxiah's chart of the consumer price index has shown. oh, wait. ffxi's economy has been in a downward spiral for years now, and SE has been desperately looking for ways to inject gil into the economy, i.e. crour to gil, items that npc for high prices

sorry, se is desperately trying to produce inflation right now, and i'm helping their cause

I do it because dora says its ok.

on multiple levels, yes, but not from this statement.

ok, check it out. procure a copy of the SE GM manual. not hard to do if you know where to look. ok, back? follow along.

look at the list of commands availible to gms. take special notice of /stell

this allows GMs to send a silent tell. it opens a dialogue on my screen, which, while i'm asleep, i would not be able to respond to.

banning me is as easy for SE as sending one command. all of my accounts could be banned tomorrow, if that's what SE wanted.

they know i fish at qufim every night. i've been reported to the STF multiple times. i'm utterly blatant about fishbotting. yet, they don't ban me.

why? because they know i am helping the ffxi economy recover, and while they aren't going to come out and say it because they want to placate the anti-bot crowd, they have absolutely no intention of stopping me.

the punchline? players madder over fishbots than SE is.

So the fact that you haven't been banned yet implies consent and encouragement? That sounds pretty far fetched.

I approve of botting.

considering that banning me would constitute typing a four letter command after receiving multiple reports about me, yes.

It's not really far fetched. SE clearly don't care about bots. When's the last time you know someone got banned for botting?

everytime a non-botter gets banned for something like lag or for that silly credit-card ***in PoL and I remain in game I feel something

it fills me with joy

Look, I really don't care if someone makes 200k a night botting. It's about 1/5th of what I make just playing the game. It's inefficient and the .00001% chance of a ban makes it not worth it in my eyes. But deluding yourself into thinking that somehow botter's should be given in game rewards for NOT playing the game just doesn't make reasonable sense.

Your Stalin example is completely ridiculous. If someone makes a rule in a game you choose to participate in, yes, you follow that rule. If you get 3 strikes in baseball you go back to the dugout, you don't demand an extra pitch. In football you don't run out of bounds and keep running and demand you get a touchdown. In tennis (if it is a sport) you don't use a 20' x 20' chainlink fence as a racquet and just stand at the net holding it. Defending the moral issue is really secondary. What bots are doing is shooting their free throws from one foot away. The rules of this game are written whether you like them or not.

Also, don't take SE's lack of policing of the rules as encouraging behavior. It's just they don't want to employ the manpower. You see this all over the country where police don't even file reports on anything less than a felony anymore. It's not that punching a guy in the face isn't wrong. It's that they don't have the manpower to enforce the rule.

P.S. The economic index on ffxi is a horrible way to judge prices. They are still using things like scorpion harness and haubergeon as indicators. Of course the market is going down. That's like judging the current global economy by how well newspaper corporations are doing financially.

How the fk is tennis not a sport?