Seriosuly.. Maint Again?

言語: JP EN DE FR
2010-06-21
New Items
5288 users online
フォーラム » FFXI » General » Seriosuly.. maint again?
Seriosuly.. maint again?
First Page 2 3 ... 13 14 15 ... 23 24 25
 Bahamut.Zangada
Offline
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
User: zangada
Posts: 383
By Bahamut.Zangada 2011-07-11 22:30:41  
Pooman said:
Darkria2 said:
LOL I like to see that they might ban people for their *** up. "Hey yeah...you found out about our mistake and we thank you for that, but were banning you for it" Awesome!!! lol they kick someone and loose 12.95 + a month for less then an hours worth of curing? Smart one SE

Alas taking advantage of said mistakes is against the rules.

That said, I highly doubt they'll ban anyone.

If ppl are going to post pictures of them doing it then thats their stupidity.
 Lakshmi.Jaerik
Administrator
Offline
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
User: Jaerik
Posts: 3834
By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-07-11 22:34:35  
Siren.Foxfire said:
Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
I know it would boil down to only a few cents per account ... but at what point do the players have a legitimate gripe against S-E for billing us for a day that they do maintenance all/most of the day?

Honest question.
There's probably some form of liability release for the downtime on the Terms of Service somewhere.
There is. They could technically leave the servers down all month and still charge you for them.

They probably wouldn't, as it would be a PR disaster, but they could.
 Bahamut.Serj
Offline
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
User: Serj
Posts: 6179
By Bahamut.Serj 2011-07-11 22:34:37  
Phoenix.Uzugami said:
Bahamut.Aeronis said:
Phoenix.Uzugami said:
Darkria2 said:
LOL I like to see that they might ban people for their *** up. "Hey yeah...you found out about our mistake and we thank you for that, but were banning you for it" Awesome!!! lol they kick someone and loose 12.95 + a month for less then an hours worth of curing? Smart one SE

iirc, Reason for salvage bans was because SE addressed the issue and people did it anyway. For like, a year. And did it multiple times with Einherjar/Sandworm/Nyzul, etc. But I quit during that time :( Or I'd have been banned to! D:
How exactly did you dupe things? .-. I hear people talking about this all the time and how some people I know got their previous account banned because of it, but I've never actually heard of the process that goes into duping items.

Split into multiple parties before kill-***, and it generated multiple loot-pools with items that dropped. I'm unsure how it worked for Einherjar, but I had a few friends banned for doing in it their LS. (Obviously would be easy to do with odin, I think D:)

Edit: Beaten by ellan D:

That was like, pages ago. I answered a few posts after lol.
 Lakshmi.Snuffy
Offline
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 221
By Lakshmi.Snuffy 2011-07-11 22:34:38  
Bahamut.Zangada said:
Pooman said:
Darkria2 said:
LOL I like to see that they might ban people for their *** up. "Hey yeah...you found out about our mistake and we thank you for that, but were banning you for it" Awesome!!! lol they kick someone and loose 12.95 + a month for less then an hours worth of curing? Smart one SE

Alas taking advantage of said mistakes is against the rules.

That said, I highly doubt they'll ban anyone.

If ppl are going to post pictures of them doing it then thats their stupidity.
They don't need pictures on a forum, they log everything everyone does, and all they'd have to do to find every player doing it is look in today's log after maint and ctrl+f every instance of 99999 damage and catch the vast majority of people.
Offline
Posts: 11
By Darkria2 2011-07-11 22:36:53  
Bahamut.Zangada said:
Pooman said:
Darkria2 said:
LOL I like to see that they might ban people for their *** up. "Hey yeah...you found out about our mistake and we thank you for that, but were banning you for it" Awesome!!! lol they kick someone and loose 12.95 + a month for less then an hours worth of curing? Smart one SE

Alas taking advantage of said mistakes is against the rules.

That said, I highly doubt they'll ban anyone.

If ppl are going to post pictures of them doing it then thats their stupidity.

I agree, Saw a screenshot of someone using windower (due to seeing others TP and timestamp on sreenshot) doing 99,999 cures and posted it on the FFXI forums. REALLY? people who post crap on the one site out of the thousands they could have posted that pic on that can ban them for it, deserve to get banned lol
[+]
 Siren.Foxfire
Offline
サーバ: Siren
Game: FFXI
User: Foxfire
Posts: 141
By Siren.Foxfire 2011-07-11 22:38:27  
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:

There is. They could technically leave the servers down all month and still charge you for them.

They probably wouldn't, as it would be a PR disaster, but they could.
There we go then.
 Ramuh.Zangada
Offline
サーバ: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
User: zangada
Posts: 249
By Ramuh.Zangada 2011-07-11 22:39:43  
[
Lakshmi.Snuffy said:
Bahamut.Zangada said:
Pooman said:
Darkria2 said:
LOL I like to see that they might ban people for their *** up. "Hey yeah...you found out about our mistake and we thank you for that, but were banning you for it" Awesome!!! lol they kick someone and loose 12.95 + a month for less then an hours worth of curing? Smart one SE

Alas taking advantage of said mistakes is against the rules.

That said, I highly doubt they'll ban anyone.

If ppl are going to post pictures of them doing it then thats their stupidity.
They don't need pictures on a forum, they log everything everyone does, and all they'd have to do to find every player doing it is look in today's log after maint and ctrl+f every instance of 99999 damage and catch the vast majority of people.

I just meant if ur going to worry about a glitch and getting in trouble for it posting a pic isnt the smartest idea.
 Siren.Foxfire
Offline
サーバ: Siren
Game: FFXI
User: Foxfire
Posts: 141
By Siren.Foxfire 2011-07-11 22:40:38  
Darkria2 said:

I agree, Saw a screenshot of someone using windower (due to seeing others TP and timestamp on sreenshot) doing 99,999 cures and posted it on the FFXI forums. REALLY? people who post crap on the one site out of the thousands they could have posted that pic on that can ban them for it, deserve to get banned lol
Maybe, but with the high rate of easy photoshop access and such, SE's only real grounds of evidence lies within their logs. They can't go to a site such as this one and start banning people wantonly, just because they have a windower picture.

At least, as far as I understand.
 Carbuncle.Asymptotic
Offline
サーバ: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2659
By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-07-11 22:40:38  
Darkria2 said:
Bahamut.Zangada said:
Pooman said:
Darkria2 said:
LOL I like to see that they might ban people for their *** up. "Hey yeah...you found out about our mistake and we thank you for that, but were banning you for it" Awesome!!! lol they kick someone and loose 12.95 + a month for less then an hours worth of curing? Smart one SE

Alas taking advantage of said mistakes is against the rules.

That said, I highly doubt they'll ban anyone.

If ppl are going to post pictures of them doing it then thats their stupidity.

I agree, Saw a screenshot of someone using windower (due to seeing others TP and timestamp on sreenshot) doing 99,999 cures and posted it on the FFXI forums. REALLY? people who post crap on the one site out of the thousands they could have posted that pic on that can ban them for it, deserve to get banned lol

People post windower screenshots all the time and no one cares, ever.
Also, as it was said before, they wouldn't use screenshots to prove anything as they can be altered. They'd just use their logs, which contain EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO.
 Bahamut.Zacosham
Offline
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
User: Zaco
Posts: 1
By Bahamut.Zacosham 2011-07-11 22:42:57  
SE GM's cant even use a screenshot taken from their own game application as proof of anything let alone be upset over using windower, the only source they can rely on is their server logs which they have years and years saved worth just for instances like this...
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2011-07-11 22:43:07
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | 引用 | 返事
 
Post deleted by User.
 Odin.Venomous
Offline
サーバ: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 309
By Odin.Venomous 2011-07-11 22:43:28  
People really think players will be banned? Way too much time on your hands and you're putting way too much thought into these things. Hate to see how /butthurt people will be on these forums if the servers were permanantly shut down.
 Lakshmi.Jaerik
Administrator
Offline
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
User: Jaerik
Posts: 3834
By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-07-11 22:43:28  
Lakshmi.Snuffy said:
They don't need pictures on a forum, they log everything everyone does, and all they'd have to do to find every player doing it is look in today's log after maint and ctrl+f every instance of 99999 damage and catch the vast majority of people.
They do not log everything everyone does. There isn't enough server space in the world to do that.

They log the choke points of action that let them piece together events in hindsight: player trades, mail, looting, item destruction, certain mob death, etc.

They likely also have the ability to reach into clients and pull volatile client logs while connected, like most MMO's, in order to confirm things like harassment. Which can make them seem omnipotent, but only temporarily. At least that's how it worked on MMO's back when I was a GM/developer.

In the case of the Salvage dupe bug, they likely included specific logging of precisely the event in question well before they finalized the permanent fix, and then simply globally banned against everyone who popped up in that specialized log after X months.

But to log every movement, every weapon swing, every spell cast, every zone, etc would be logistically impossible.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 11
By Darkria2 2011-07-11 22:49:07  
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Lakshmi.Snuffy said:
They don't need pictures on a forum, they log everything everyone does, and all they'd have to do to find every player doing it is look in today's log after maint and ctrl+f every instance of 99999 damage and catch the vast majority of people.
They do not log everything everyone does. There isn't enough server space in the world to do that.

They log the choke points of action that let them piece together events in hindsight: player trades, mail, looting, item destruction, mob death, etc.

They likely also have the ability to reach into clients and pull volatile client logs while connected, like most MMO's, in order to confirm things like harassment. Which can make them seem omnipotent, but only temporarily.

In the case of the Salvage dupe bug, they likely included specific logging of precisely the event in question well before they finalized the permanent fix, and then simply globally banned against everyone who popped up in that specialized log after X months.

On top of that, they only hold that info for a limited amount of time, unless it causes a serious problem. For example, everyone has that One-time item return for people who throw away or NPC and item they did not mean to. They can only go back up to a week or two. At least thats what i was told when i did so.
 Phoenix.Novaria
Offline
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
User: Novaria
Posts: 776
By Phoenix.Novaria 2011-07-11 22:51:59  
I think I'm having ffxi withdrawals...and that's weird for me because lately I've only actually been playing once a week (Sundays)...but yesterday I attempted to solo farm some gear/currency in Dynamis Xarcabard and it was SO much fun that I've been dieing to get in today so I can fix up some more gear swaps and what not and do it again tonight...I'm all antsy and stuff :(

My husband's being awesome though, he's helping me figure out all of the stuff I need to get to be better and have more fun...so I guess all of this emergency maintenance is kind of good thing in my case...but...I'm still extremely bored...

I'm such a nerd...lol
 Asura.Krebons
Offline
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
User: Krebons
Posts: 256
By Asura.Krebons 2011-07-11 22:52:41  
Bored... Got a xbox now CoD anyone? Vaporificbog271 (I know I have yet to change it yet) Hit me up I'm getting on now

Novaria : Check your inbox!
 Asura.Atharia
Offline
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 34
By Asura.Atharia 2011-07-11 22:54:15  
Darkria2 said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Lakshmi.Snuffy said:
They don't need pictures on a forum, they log everything everyone does, and all they'd have to do to find every player doing it is look in today's log after maint and ctrl+f every instance of 99999 damage and catch the vast majority of people.
They do not log everything everyone does. There isn't enough server space in the world to do that.

They log the choke points of action that let them piece together events in hindsight: player trades, mail, looting, item destruction, mob death, etc.

They likely also have the ability to reach into clients and pull volatile client logs while connected, like most MMO's, in order to confirm things like harassment. Which can make them seem omnipotent, but only temporarily.

In the case of the Salvage dupe bug, they likely included specific logging of precisely the event in question well before they finalized the permanent fix, and then simply globally banned against everyone who popped up in that specialized log after X months.

On top of that, they only hold that info for a limited amount of time, unless it causes a serious problem. For example, everyone has that One-time item return for people who throw away or NPC and item they did not mean to. They can only go back up to a week or two. At least thats what i was told when i did so.


Bout a month ago I lost my joytoy, (Not rly a big deal.),GM pulled up my instance of accidentally throwing away a Jupiter's staff October 14th 2004 and had no trouble pulling up the date and time.

That GM or whomever told you that "week or two" story, definately lied to you. Go Protest.
 Shiva.Deadlydiva
Offline
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 116
By Shiva.Deadlydiva 2011-07-11 22:54:40  
Are we there yet @_@
 Leviathan.Niniann
Offline
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
User: Ninian
Posts: 2596
By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-11 22:55:02  
Shiva.Deadlydiva said:
Are we there yet @_@

No.
 Bahamut.Serj
Offline
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
User: Serj
Posts: 6179
By Bahamut.Serj 2011-07-11 22:56:00  
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Shiva.Deadlydiva said:
Are we there yet @_@

No.

/pouts
 Fenrir.Uzugami
Offline
サーバ: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
User: SSJAV
By Fenrir.Uzugami 2011-07-11 22:56:22  
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Shiva.Deadlydiva said:
Are we there yet @_@

No.

Missing my barrista's wtf man.
 Ragnarok.Zeyro
Offline
サーバ: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
User: Zeyro
Posts: 5
By Ragnarok.Zeyro 2011-07-11 22:56:27  
Odin.Venomous said:
People really think players will be banned? Way too much time on your hands and you're putting way too much thought into these things. Hate to see how /butthurt people will be on these forums if the servers were permanantly shut down.

This topic is filled with bored people. Bored people talk and speculate.

But honestly, I also doubt SE will ban for something like this. They're not that twisted. I hope.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2011-07-11 22:56:37
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | 引用 | 返事
 
Post deleted by User.
 Ragnarok.Sassori
Offline
サーバ: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
User: Darkria2
Posts: 3
By Ragnarok.Sassori 2011-07-11 22:57:02  
I think the events that have happened today will bring a whole new meaning to the term "Cure-bomb"
[+]
 Shiva.Deadlydiva
Offline
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 116
By Shiva.Deadlydiva 2011-07-11 22:57:56  
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Shiva.Deadlydiva said:
Are we there yet @_@
No.
What are u thinking of? There where?
 Asura.Atharia
Offline
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 34
By Asura.Atharia 2011-07-11 22:58:19  
Ragnarok.Zeyro said:
Odin.Venomous said:
People really think players will be banned? Way too much time on your hands and you're putting way too much thought into these things. Hate to see how /butthurt people will be on these forums if the servers were permanantly shut down.

This topic is filled with bored people. Bored people talk and speculate.

But honestly, I also doubt SE will ban for something like this. They're not that twisted. I hope.


Where's Krizz at when you need him to chime in with his one worded sentence commands. "Relax."
 Ragnarok.Zeyro
Offline
サーバ: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
User: Zeyro
Posts: 5
By Ragnarok.Zeyro 2011-07-11 22:58:49  
Asura.Krebons said:
Bored... Got a xbox now CoD anyone? Vaporificbog271 (I know I have yet to change it yet) Hit me up I'm getting on now

Novaria : Check your inbox!

CoD, No thanks.
Halo, Yes, please.

Asura.Atharia said:
Where's Krizz at when you need him to chime in with his one worded sentence commands. "Relax."

Page 13. ^^
 Odin.Maddii
Offline
サーバ: Odin
Game: FFXI
User: Maddi
Posts: 126
By Odin.Maddii 2011-07-11 22:59:46  
Cerberus.Lightvision said:


is why maint again

how can this happen - i mean, for real, dont they test that stuff before implementing it? .......
 Quetzalcoatl.Darsha
Offline
サーバ: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
User: StanDarsh
By Quetzalcoatl.Darsha 2011-07-11 23:00:04  
CoD & Halo, no thanks.

Battlefield, yes please.
[+]
 Asura.Krebons
Offline
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
User: Krebons
Posts: 256
By Asura.Krebons 2011-07-11 23:00:29  
Ragnarok.Zeyro said:
Asura.Krebons said:
Bored... Got a xbox now CoD anyone? Vaporificbog271 (I know I have yet to change it yet) Hit me up I'm getting on now

Novaria : Check your inbox!

CoD, No thanks.
Halo, Yes, please.

Awww, I didn't get halo.. I liked it and all, but it got kinda boring after a month..

:( Sad face. I'm on now btw for anyone that wants to play!
First Page 2 3 ... 13 14 15 ... 23 24 25
Log in to post.