It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).
What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?
There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.
While taking down Nativity scenes and attempting to remove Merry Christmas as a greeting border on overkill to me, removing "In God we Trust" and "One Nation under God" have reasonable grounds.
This isn't a Christian nation, no matter how bad some people want it to be. Therefore, why are we using the Christian God in our currency and pledge? And yes, I believe students should recite the pledge daily before classes in school.
This isn't a nutjob argument. We tend to pride ourselves as Americans on separation of church and state and equality for all races and belief systems yet here we go promoting a singular divine being from a specific belief system in our government.
It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).
What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?
There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.
Nutjobs?
You mean for not wanting government sponsored support of one religion when it's clear that it violates the constitution and intent of our nation?
You do know that "In God We Trust" was added to our currency in the 50s right? Same for the pledge.
Would you be equally ok if the currency said "In Allah we trust", or "There is no god".
That fact that you find it "extreme" and "militant" that people get upset when theists throw their religion down everyone elses throats just shows how blind you are to reality.
It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).
What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Pledge of Allegiance?
There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.
While it doesn't personally matter to me if the pledge says 'under god,' I can see how it could be disturbing for sensitive people. It's a pledge. A promise. If you are atheist, I can see how you would not want a patriotic pledge to your country to also pledge you to a deity.
As for the money, I have a hard time seeing why anyone would care. People who fuss about money saying 'in god we trust' just kinda have too much time on their hands and need a hobby. BUT if you want to get technical, there is supposedly a separation of church and state which makes it awkward to have a churchly statement on currency issued by the government.
The same goes for nativity scenes if they are set up on government property, like courthouses or schools. But if they are public or private property, who duckin' cares? People who whine about a nativity being set up need to spend less time looking for things to whine about and more time drinking hot chocolate spiked with outrageous amounts of mint liquor. Because I swear to you, hot chocolate with mint liquor is the reason for the season.
Yea those are just phrases. If you don't believe in the "God" they are just pointless phrases. Who cares really, I sure don't, but radical atheists seem to.
The separation of church and State is made pretty clear in the 1st Amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Xueye (I'm addressing this to you, because you are one of the atheists here that I respect), this is how I personally see the baptism. It's not necessarily a religious matter in my eyes. I've said this before...I know the liturgical significance of a baptism, but I also see it as an endearing ceremony for the child.
Acknowledgement of the friends and family who are about to receive a child as their own, and welcoming them with a tradition. We are loosing many traditions within modern society. I think this one, despite religion, is a beautiful one. I would prefer having it preformed outside of the church too.
Xueye (I'm addressing this to you, because you are one of the atheists here that I respect), this is how I personally see the baptism. It's not necessarily a religious matter in my eyes. I've said this before...I know the liturgical significance of a baptism, but I also see it as an endearing ceremony for the child.
Acknowledgement of the friends and family who are about to receive a child as their own, and welcoming them with a tradition. We are loosing many traditions within modern society. I think this one, despite religion, is a beautiful one. I would prefer having it preformed outside of the church too.
Baptism outside religion/churches is called: Swimming.
Xueye (I'm addressing this to you, because you are one of the atheists here that I respect), this is how I personally see the baptism. It's not necessarily a religious matter in my eyes. I've said this before...I know the liturgical significance of a baptism, but I also see it as an endearing ceremony for the child.
Acknowledgement of the friends and family who are about to receive a child as their own, and welcoming them with a tradition. We are loosing many traditions within modern society. I think this one, despite religion, is a beautiful one. I would prefer having it preformed outside of the church too.
I know how you see it, and I've been giving much thought to it (when I'm not too busy not getting a job!). I was just addressing Dr. Nick's particular case.
It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).
What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?
There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.
Nutjobs?
You mean for not wanting government sponsored support of one religion when it's clear that it violates the constitution and intent of our nation?
You do know that "In God We Trust" was added to our currency in the 50s right? Same for the pledge.
Would you be equally ok if the currency said "In Allah we trust", or "There is no god".
That fact that you find it "extreme" and "militant" that people get upset when theists throw their religion down everyone elses throats just shows how blind you are to reality.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Yea those are just phrases. If you don't believe in the "God" they are just pointless phrases. Who cares really, I sure don't, but radical atheists seem to.
The separation of church and State is made pretty clear in the 1st Amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
If there are pointless phrases, get rid of them. They do nothing but openly promote one religious belief system and give it the advantage of being on our currency.
Apathy doesn't excuse it.
Edit:
Kosmik said:
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you? I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads. EDIT: At this point I would rather just read.
Hey baby, if you want to meet up for drinks or coffee we can discuss NEW BS endlessly <3
*WINK WINK*
I think you and I would be on much better terms than some on here.
Some people don't realize that their digging themselves into a hole when they openly gut the agnostics on this site too.
It's the internet, they feel obligated to destroy people online to make up for their lack of a spine in the real world.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Baptism outside religion/churches is called: Swimming.
Yeah...Not really when you sprinkle water over an infant's head.
You seem pretty close-minded if that's the only perception you have.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
I know how you see it, and I've been giving much thought to it (when I'm not too busy not getting a job!). I was just addressing Dr. Nick's particular case.
I just realized what your avatar was, Sparthosx. Classy wamouracampa!
lol yeah.
It's based on a sig I saw a long time ago with some classy FFXI monsters sitting around having tea and going on parade. Pretty sure it was Rocl on BG who I remember with it.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Your true form appears.
My true form?
Are you implying that I am a follower of Christianity? LOL
There are definitely some "nutjobs" on both sides, but it would be difficult to prove that atheists have nearly as many as theists.
Research any story online about the rare high school student who tries to stand up for his atheism. Read about how his family disowns him, he receives death threats, and he suddenly finds his entire community turned against him.
Compare that to the multitude of students who wear their Christianity on their sleeves like a badge...they receive how many death threats? None. How many of their families disown them for their religion? None. How many experience exile by their community? None.
The sad thing about this is, this country is so skewed against atheism that all we have to do is try to stand up for ourselves, and suddenly, we're labeled hostile nutjobs. Christians, on the other hand, who stand up for their Christianity are cheered and encouraged.
Fortunately, that is slowly changing as more and more people wake up to reason and rational thinking.
There are definitely some "nutjobs" on both sides, but it would be difficult to prove that atheists have nearly as many as theists.
Research any story online about the rare high school student who tries to stand up for his atheism. Read about how his family disowns him, he receives death threats, and he suddenly finds his entire community turned against him.
Compare that to the multitude of students who wear their Christianity on their sleeves like a badge...they receive how many death threats? None. How many of their families disown them for their religion? None. How many experience exile by their community? None.
The sad thing about this is, this country is so skewed against atheism that all we have to do is try to stand up for ourselves, and suddenly, we're labeled hostile nutjobs. Christians, on the other hand, who stand up for their Christianity are cheered and encouraged.
Fortunately, that is slowly changing as more and more people wake up to reason and rational thinking.
Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you? I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads. EDIT: At this point I would rather just read.
Hey baby, if you want to meet up for drinks or coffee we can discuss NEW BS endlessly <3
*WINK WINK*
I think you and I would be on much better terms than some on here.
Some people don't realize that their digging themselves into a hole when they openly gut the agnostics on this site too.
It's the internet, they feel obligated to destroy people online to make up for their lack of a spine in the real world.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Your true form appears.
My true form?
Are you implying that I am a follower of Christianity? LOL
I bolded the stupid.
You just implied that the "Christian" founders (some of which were actually dead set against letting this nation become a theist playground) just happened to allow all other religions to have and share the same freedoms.
Because they were so nice and generous and kind to let the heathens live in their country.
If you can't see how condescending you sound, you are lost.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Your true form appears.
My true form?
Are you implying that I am a follower of Christianity? LOL
I remember what religion you are! :) I've realized that some people have short memories, and don't bother reading. They just go into attack mode.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Your true form appears.
My true form?
Are you implying that I am a follower of Christianity? LOL
I bolded the stupid.
You just implied that the "Christian" founders (some of which were actually dead set against letting this nation become a theist playground) just happened to allow all other religions to have and share the same freedoms.
Because they were so nice and generous and kind to let the heathens live in their country.
If you can't see how condescending you sound, you are lost.
What?
What is condescending about it?
I simply stated that the Founders made it a point for all religions to be shown the same freedoms.
It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).
What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?
There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.
Nutjobs?
You mean for not wanting government sponsored support of one religion when it's clear that it violates the constitution and intent of our nation?
You do know that "In God We Trust" was added to our currency in the 50s right? Same for the pledge.
Would you be equally ok if the currency said "In Allah we trust", or "There is no god".
That fact that you find it "extreme" and "militant" that people get upset when theists throw their religion down everyone elses throats just shows how blind you are to reality.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
lolwhat?
the truth is apparently you're severely mistaken on who mints the currency (as to why the first amendment doesn't apply to it) and the truth is the nation wasn't founded on any religion.
If I lived in a nation founded on Islam, I wouldn't care if the currency read "In Allah We Trust" (same god anyway different name)
Whether you like it or not, truth is the US was founded on Christian beliefs and ideals. We happened to let all religions have the same freedoms, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Your true form appears.
My true form?
Are you implying that I am a follower of Christianity? LOL
I remember what religion you are! :) I've realized that some people have short memories, and don't bother reading. They just go into attack mode.
Well I'm not really any organized religion.
I had referred to myself as an Atheist in the past, but it's turning into it's own pseudo-religion.
I'm not sure where I stand, there is no absolute proof to any of it.
