Illegal To Kiss In Public In America

The point is generally. In general it's safe to assume that public parks are public forum. I had no idea (and possibly the original woman arrested in 2008 had no idea, it's too late tonight for me to read an article about her) that the interior of the Jefferson Memorial was considered closed public forum.

Edit:
As far as I can tell they did have the right to demonstrate outside the memorial that they believed that they had freedom of expression inside the memorial. That seems somewhat (but not entirely) arbitrary to me, and could provide potential confusion.

However, the fact that the police warned the demonstrators complicates the issue, and takes credibility from the demonstrators.

I guess, but they should have used some common sense. I have no sympathy for them.

Well the point as far as I can tell was to argue that they had the right to demonstrate inside the memorial and to protest the 2009 ruling.

Nobody really articulated that clearly in either video, and it may have just been a stunt to discredit the police, i don't know I didn't watch the whole 11 minute video.

The officer should have been able to direct them outside the memorial and told them that they were allowed to demonstrate there, but law enforcement isn't always perfect.

All (or most) of the other countries are worse.

ignorances of the law is never reason to break the law.

Its not up to the police to educate every single person about what they are doing is possibly wrong.

A simple warning should be enough to tell you that you are doing something wrong.

There is multiple legal way to protest

They just decided to provoke the police and they got what they deserved. simple

As a black man, as much as I dislike police, I do not antagonize them.

This video fills me with so much disgust. However after much reading it's rather clear who is at fault

Everybody

The protesters are at fault because they deliberately would not stop after being asked by the police to do so. Although I admire Adam Kokesh and his movement, the police are protecting us from our very own nation's citizens, and some level of respect should be shown.

The police are at fault because they blindly follow orders with no sense of right and wrong(if it even exists). In the end they are just doing their job, and it is a lot easier to coast through life with that mentality than standing up for what you believe in.

Our government is at fault for making laws that violate our civil liberties with absolutely no input from it's citizens or any sense of consequence for doing so.


Every single person out there passes blame onto the next person because no one wants to understand the fact that something needs to change.


inb4 Rosa Parks was wrong for sitting at the front of the bus too

what about as an elvaan?

everything has a process. If you don't like the law that was imposed for this specific situation you have the full right to contest it but there is a way to do so. They decided to do so in the hippy way by deliberately engaging the officers who are "doing their job". If you look at it on the officers side if he does stand up for his own believes I can tell you he won't hold on to his job for long. It is a sad thing but policing is as much as enforcing the law but following the political trend. So if you piss off the wrong person you will lose your job. If you were the officer and you lost your retirement and job because of this would you be happy?


If it was me I wouldn't



The moment something escalates to politics nothing is simple and I sympathize with the officers.

The rest is just opinions

The law that allowed the police to arrest these people was taken to the Supreme Court iirc. in 2008. It was ruled that demonstrations cannot be held inside a monument. So people then protested the courts decisions. (They made the ruling in 2011)

The women who went to court in 2008 was doing nothing more than dancing.

The process happened and people did not like the results.

Like it or not you have to ask yourself where and when the government draws the line on how much they have the right to do.

You know I might be able to get behind this if this was an actual issue with any importance... I just don't get how dancing in a couple hundred/thousand square feet is an important issue... Even throwing Rosa Parks name out there is insulting as she did something that was important and her actions were a symbol of standing up against oppression of an entire race of people... She also did it peacefully... These people were blatantly disrespectful and quite honestly, as I said, I don't get their venue... Freedom to dance? I mean they picked a spot that people clearly do not dance in and is not a place for dancing and it just I don't even know...

Is dancing in a memorial that important? Is it respectful to the memory of the person? Is it respectful of the others in the area? Is it necessary to be able to do these specific actions in an area like this? There was a law against it and not only were these people blatantly disrespectful they resisted arrest and that just, imo, discredits all their attempts at making any point at all...

You're actually supporting what I think

Its HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to think

That the police found it necessary to arrest these people

That government found it necessary to to pass a law allowing the police to arrest these people

That America in 2011 finds it necessary to have these issues.

and that the protesters choose a minute issue to prove a point. They did however succeed pretty well

I wouldn't say I agree with all of what you said at all...

I guess I don't get what their end game is with this... and I said that I don't think they got their point across or succeeded because they were belligerent and resisted arrest which goes against a peaceful demonstration/protest....

Still don't see how any public demonstration of any kind would warrant arrest under virtually any circumstance; let alone in a memorial? Either way it's lame they were arrested, and it was lame they intentionally pushed the envelope.

This is the man that was choke-slammed

He has some good things to say... but what did he really expect by violating a law he knew was in place that he was warned about and then resisted arrest.... Personally I don't see how his actions furthered his goal... I see it more as a set back but that's just me...

Thats pretty messed up...

It's nice to question authority and expose laws that dance on the line of being ludicrous, but frankly I would pursue that which would at least have genuine advancement of civil rights more so than "dancing in a memorial". It's silly really, but asinine either way.

i'll always remember her for the wise words she spoke.


Ah ha, hush that fuss,
Everybody move to the back of the bus!
Do you wanna bump and slump with us?
We the type of people make the club get crunk.

Many a day has passed, the night has gone by,
But still I find the time to put that bump off in your eye.
Total chaos, for these playas, thought we was absent
We takin another route to represent the Dungeon Family.
Like Great Day, me and my ***** decide to take the back way,
We stabbing every city then we headed to that bat cave.
A-T-L, Georgia, what we do for ya,
Bull doggin hoes like them Georgetown Hoyas.
Boy you sounding silly, thank my Brougham aint sittin pretty
Doing doughnuts round you suckas like then circles around titties,
Damn...
We the committee gone burn it down
But us gone bust you in the mouth with the chorus now

I met a gypsy and she hipped me to some life game,
To stimulate then activate the left and right brain.
Said baby boy you only funky as your last cut,
You focus on the past your ***'ll be a has what.
Thats one to live by or either that one to die to
I try to just throw it at you determine your own adventure
Andre...
got to her station here's my destination
She got off the bus, the conversation lingered in my head for hours.
Took a shower kinda sour cause my favorite group ain't comin with it,
But I'm witcha you cause you probably goin through it anyway...
But, anyhow when in doubt went on out and bought it
Cause I thought it would be jammin but examine all the flawsky-wawsky
Awfully, it's sad and it's costly, but that's all she,
wrote
And I hope I never have to float in that boat,
Up ***creek it's weak is the last quote
That I want to hear when I'm goin down when all's said and done
And we got a new joe in town
When the record player get to skippin and slowin down
All yawl can say is them ***** earned that crown but until then till' then...

wow friend of mine was right USA is turning in to a dictatorship wtf thought supposed to have freedom of speech

Nah, one of the great things about living here is that we have the freedom to hate it, and still live here.

Money and fame.

No, seriously.

I can't even imagine how much money he made from all the donations after people saw this and Googled him.

When people say things like this it worries me....

Yup, he was right.

I heard that Obama isn't going to give up his presidency and rule America with a black fist for the next 50 years.

True story.

lol....

I have a brainwashed sister, so I'm actually pretty used to stupid statements like that.

She is one of those people who think everything is a conspiracy. She thinks everything Micheal Moore says is fact and thinks that Loose Change is 100% correct.

A semi friend of mine told me this not that long ago "See, the plans of the corporations are to pass this law so that we will get rid of all the good teachers. Corporations don't want you to have good teachers because then you will be stupid. Stupid people buy lots of stuff, and the corporations will make more money."

I just agreed because you can't argue with an insane person.