Ukko's Fury Setup

It's about to matter a lot more. /farewell Embrava

Eh, I guess I'm wrong then.

Probably getting what, 65-80 (random guess, my parses are on another machine) weaponskills off in a full Legion Hall?

So you could probably say the 1 or 2 times you're coming up short you'd probably get hit anyway.

errr, assuming the Regain nerf does go through.

I'd honestly be more concerned about missing the first hit than worrying about second - eighth hits landing.

Light and Shadow gorgets effect every hit on a multi hit weapon skill. I've confirmed this via a parse on THF using Soil and Shadow gorgets both inside and outside abyssea. Evisceration gained a larger boost with shadow by about 5%. Not a huge difference, but still, 5% is more and can be the difference between Yay i killed it and damn I wiped.

Why are you commenting on a post from 88 pages ago (March 2011)?

Beause I wasn't paying attention and just now saw it, sorry.

You pulled up a year old post to "confirm" something with false information that was "verified" in a poor manner? Kudos to you, man.

Yes because testing something on EP and VT mobs in Boyahda as well as EP and DC in Abyssea and EP in Dynamis over the course of a week and getting an average rate of increase of shadow gorget/belt over that of soil gorget/belt is false information being verified in a poor mannor.

Also had friends test various elemental gorget/belts on Tachi: Shoha, another on Stardiver, and another on Requiescat.

All tests showed a difference of damage of ~5%.

We don't simply take the forum's word as gospel when it comes to gear, we test the piss out of it, as should everyone. I'm showing what it did for us, go and do for you and see if you can find a difference. If you already have, then great.

You could just use this - BG Wiki

And then search for Light Gorget and click on 'fTP'
And then see this and realize you should let other people test everything because it sucks

couldnt find anything on it so... a war using ukon, what grip is better 2% DA or 3% crit rate?

if its situational please say

Claymore most of the time.

Mighty strikes would be brave grip since crit rate doesn't matter

What Austar said. c: Claymore Grip unless Mighty strikes, then Brave Grip.

cool and not to disagree but, can you explain why it beats the DA? sorry but i like to try and educate myself as much as possible on why things are better ^^;

also would brave grip be best inside abyssea then from the massive boost from atmas?

edit: also what are acceptable hands for when restraint is down? (no NNI or legion gear please)

Ignoring the obvious case of Mighty Strikes....

Claymore won't outparse Pole every time. Pole will do better on virtually everything EM and under.

My calculated DPS on EM targets with self-buffs only (zerk/agg/hasso/food):
Claymore: 238.9
Pole: 240.3

And for fun........
Brave: 239.6
Duplus: 242.3

And just because it's really annoying to see everyone spamming Claymore like it's the viable good grip for war:
loluthers: 239.1
Potens: 239.2

That being said...

On 99.9% of higher level things such as VW, Legion, etc., the general trend is Pole<Claymore<Duplus.

So, to answer OP...most wars are probably going to want to stick with Claymore a lot of the time, depending how much old content you do. But we should still carry around a Pole grip (until Duplus) for proccing and for when we're not too lazy to make multiple TP sets for different situations

Oh...and in Aby

Claymore<Pole<Brave<Duplus

EDIT: When BR is up. So this info is mostly useless. Stick to Claymore.

thank you very much vyle, answered that perfectly :D

any advice on hand choices while restraint is down?

The times pole is better you should be using Resolution anyways.

And this is completely wrong.

Just did some testing, Ukko's Fury is confirmed as a 2-hit weaponskill

For those that have it, yes.
Actually...you're right...it is wrong.

It only applies when BR is up. So most of the time you'll want to keep Claymore on.

Thanks for making me have to do math right when waking up^.^

Depends what you're fighting and what buffs you have on.

Phorcys Mitts are usually my go to. But Augmented Huginn or Rav +2 are still useful when acc is low.

i mostly use war in abyssea where acc is no issue and vw where iv also never really had any acc issues, and at the moment pho hands are not an option :(

If accuracy is capped you might try Warrior's Mufflers +2. Although I have no math to offer you for those, they are relatively cheap and you can even farm the forgotten touches if you have the patience.

Avant +1 should also technically pull ahead of Rav +2 when acc is capped.

If at all...neither are much of an improvement.

Focus on getting Phorcys Mitts.

If you actually have the way to get Phorcys Mitts, I'd get Phorcys Korazin first. <_<

Use Claymore when spamming Ukko's under normal conditions, Pole when spamming Upheaval versus mobs with crit evasion like Bismarck and Morta, and Brave while zerging with Upheaval under Mighty Strikes.

What do you guys think about Sljor Ring (STR+3 and DA+1%) vs Pyrosoul for Ukko's?

this, follow these guidelines and you won't go wrong

So, just got Wanion Belt, I saw it a few pages back I thought, I could be wrong though. Is it still good, if so when?

so in the end which neck and belt for ukko best? kinda confuse with all those random good and not good theory

Elemental Gorget. iirc Windbuffet belt is best? (Could correct me on this <_>; ) but otherwise elemental belt because of the acc also. I feel like there wasn't really much debate on belts, though.